User talk:Halaqah

I TRIED TO BE ON SEMI-HOLIDAY. I Tried to retire, But every time I try to get out someone (does nonsense) and pulls me BACK

WikiProject Ethiopia

Hello. Have you thought about joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethiopia? —Viriditas | Talk 23:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Al Amoudi

There's a dispute over at Mohammed Al Amoudi about his ancestry. Can you help out and arbitrate? — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 21:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i will try .--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 22:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hope it Will help [1]--203.173.50.197 12:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks , we know this is true, but they will not allow the site because it is a blog, hence anyone could have written it. dont worry he is one person pushing a serious pov, i saw his activity re-writing the def of Arab, saying they were a white race. his agenda has been exposed.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 12:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A question

I see on your userpage, you describe how you have spent a long time studying African. What do you mean? The language? The culture? The lot? Rosenkreuz 13:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the lot--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 13:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MA

No problem. I changed the bit saying "denied" to "stated", more neutral. - Francis Tyers · 14:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Halaqah, please be mindful of your reverting relative to the Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. I strongly recommend you read that policy for I believe you are already in violation of it. The individuals whom you are reverting against have a history of relying upon 3RR enforcement to block those with whom they are in content disagreeance. (→Netscott) 15:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For what is he best known in areas of Africa beyond the points you have contention with? (→Netscott) 15:32, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can you honestly say that were it not for the controversies he has created he would be known across the world? I tend to agree with User:Beit Or (who I have conflicted with in the past) when he says that Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani isn't as well known as Ahmadinejad precisely because Rafsanjani was never anywhere near as controversial. (→Netscott) 15:45, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, it appears that you are describing your perceptions for what he is known in Ethiopia but again can you honestly say that he's known for those perceptions in places like Russia or other countries in Asia? Essentially what I am asking is what can be said about what he is generally known for across the globe? I will be surprised if you respond that he is best known in the world relative to what you've described. (→Netscott) 15:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked #2

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

-Will Beback · † · 19:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I contacted Will Beback, the administrator who blocked you, and he says he is willing to reduce the block if you promise to discuss controversial changes to articles on article talk pages before you make them. I hope you decide to do this, and keep on editing Wikipedia. KazakhPol 21:28, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

If you run into the position in which you want the page reverted, but you cant revert because of WP:3RR, contact me and I will be more than happy to assist. KazakhPol 19:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Malaysia

I added citation tags there, but feel free to remove the whole section, because it's pretty much nonsense. Jayjg ^(talk) 16:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Talk:Kwanzaa

Might I politely suggest that your most recent posting at Talk:Kwanzaa sounds like you are asserting control or ownership over the article, and that Telling People What To Do often has exactly the opposite effect from what you intend. Declarations like that are waving a red flag at a bull. Just a thought. (You are of course correct -- consensus is clear that the article is about Kwanzaa, and that unsavory facts about Karenga belong on his page. I'm just referring to the tone of the comment, not the content.) --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 07:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see how anything i my comments could suggest that, people using the Kwanzaa page to attack and critic Karenga is very popular and despite making it clear they continue. You have unsuccesful interprited what i have said. It is a valid statement which says these wild pov to discredit kwanza by injuring karenga cannot be allowed and i will delete them if they continue. i c no issue with that , it isnt open season on Karenga and he doesnt have an entire camp to protect him like some people on wikipedia, its not fair, and i am fed up of the attacks by lazy people who hate any progressive succesful african that makes black people African--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 07:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you seem not to have understood the intent of my message; we're not on different sides here, and I've been protecting that article from vandals since long before you started editing here -- and this includes working keeping irrelevancies and side issues out of the article, and working to maintain the consensus to do so. No, I don't catch every single one of them, and I'm glad you're there too. Note that it's not all vandalism -- a good argument can be made that perhaps more detail about Karenga should be in the article, but the consensus is that less is better than more in this case, and edits against consensus aren't necessarily vandalism. (Depends how persistent the individual is.) --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 07:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah. Unfortunately, there's no shortage of both virulent and subtle racists in pretty much every sector of the World Wide Web, and that most certainly includes Wikipedia. Some think that's a function of the whiteboy geekdom domination of the medium, and it might be -- I necessarily have a blind spot in that regard, being a whiteboy geek. I think it's more general -- there are a lot of jerks in the world, and an inordinate number of them have learned to use computers. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 07:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

boy people

they attack kwanza, karenga farrakhan, y? mayb something they r saying.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 03:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

zanj issue

Since I'm basing my edits on the standard modern Arabic-English scholarly dictionary, while it seems extremely likely that you wouldn't even know how to use an Arabic dictionary, it's highly hubristic of you to accuse me of "vandalism"[sic]. If you can't conduct an honest disagreement without stooping to accusactions of "vandalism"[sic], then it reflects negatively on yourself, not to mention being rather poor form according to the conventions of Wikipedia. Furthermore, I notice that from the contents of this user talk page that you've been blocked or suspended multiple times, while I never have been once -- so according to that criterion, you're the "vandal"... AnonMoos 02:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

yes i get blocked so what? Look at why i get blocked. u cant revert against a ref all the time, why r u doing this to what end. keep adding something against the 3 seperate refernce, 3 sources say East African. black people is a broad social construction, you can delete this if you like. i bring a case and you just revert it. because of one outdated source which is a rude generalized book of ancient terms like Negro.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 02:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your request but I really don't have any expertise on the subject. I just noticed a blatant heckler edit, and took the liberty to revert. This was because of my ...um... frequent bickering with this person. Ya know? I may begin some studying on the subject. Then I may attempt to contribute, if I feel it's helpful. I will though, watch the subject because I am interested. Jeeny 20:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. Okay, I'll keep an eye on the article. I understand as I've been a little busy with other issues today. LOL. Not with youknowwho though, thank goodness. Keep up the good work. I really admire your passion. :) __Jeeny 22:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

After doing more research on the issue of black=Zanj I have to agree that it does mean just that. From my research, as far back as c.750 Arabs began traveling to East and West Africa for gold and other reasons. They did meet up with the black Africans. According to Arabic dictionary zanj does refer to Black people of Africa. I don't know about now, because of all the intermarriage that resulted from their travels many years ago the people resulted in the darker Arab featured peoples of North Africa today. Anyway, I have a friend who is from Iraq, and he confirmed it. I also did research and found that at least a form of it does, or did refer to black Africans (people) and also in a similar, but different form means black in some Turkish. I made a comment of the Zanj talk page too. I feel it does have value per encyclopedic use. History and life is not fair, but truth is truth. Maybe it has changed since. But, it was used in that sense, at least at one time. (And some Arabs still use the term, from what my friend said) I have other issues with the Black people page though. That is all messed up. <shrug> __Jeeny 03:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Eric Williams

I was wondering about your addition of Category:Pan-Africanism to the article. What I know of Williams doesn't come across as a Pan-Africanist at all. Do you have a source calling him this? Guettarda 22:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kriss Donald article

I'm posting here because of some problems ongoing on the Kriss Donald page. Basically it's similar to what happened with the reverse discrimination page - someone is trying to present a biased perspective by adopting the language of a particular point of view and repeatedly reverting against inclusion of material which doesn't fit into this POV. This user has argued that patently relevant material is irrelevant, that anti-racist views are "tiny minority" and that the positions taken in anti-racist sociology and postcolonial theory are irrelevant.

While I'm aware there's a few problems with my own contribution, I don't really have time to clean them up when they'd just get deleted anyway.

-82.31.15.153 04:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Minor question

Why don't you try tagging the article with {{onesource}}? Also, does this source meet WP:RS? Perhaps you can improve the article by adding additional sources. Khoi khoi 04:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for that--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 04:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article importance

Hi Halaqah -- I'm dropping a note about the rating of Environmental issues in Ethiopia: I moved it down from "Top" to ~~"Mid"~~ "High", mostly because I'm not comfortable about rating it at this importance without a discussion. (It would also help if related articles for other African countries had a comparable rating -- or even any rating at all.) I'm not hard-&-fast on this, nor is this intended as a reflection on you, (nor do I want to get into an edit war about this), so I'd like to discuss this over on this article's Talk page. -- llywrch 20:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, my rating of importance wasn't about whether the article was complete, it was about its importance rating -- Top, High, Mid, Low. If you feel that it should be rated Top, let's discuss it at Talk: Environmental issues in Ethiopia. (If not, don't answer & I'll work on something else.) As a last note, if you are looking for more information for that article, the Oromia Reginoal government website was a lot of information on its economy & ecology at http://www.oromiagov.org/gerenal.asp that you might find useful. -- llywrch 01:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:IP

If its just one editor place warnings after each of its edits then report at WP:AIV after the forth for a block. Gnangarra 09:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A little moral support

I've just been browsing at some of your contributions, in particular the stuff about Desmond Tutu at talk:racism. You've certainly picked yourself some tough battles! Anyway, I just want to offer you a little moral support. I've encountered similar tactics in my own corner of Wikipedia and the experience has been far from pleasant.

I added a comment at the end of all that stuff about Desmond Tutu by the way. If you ever want me to take a look at something that is going on then please ask and I will do my best (inbetween whatever I am doing in real life of course).

For maximum long-term sanity always remember to breathe slowly and deeply, take wikibreaks when you need to, and never edit on an empty stomach. Ireneshusband 22:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RE: classification under apartheid

yes, you are right, Khoisan were often classified as coloureds, but I cannot imagine that this was done to create more tension between them and the Zulu (in areas where Khoisan mostly lived during the Apartheid (Northern Cape) there were hardly any Zulus, so this claim doesn't make much sense to me). I haven't found much literature on the topic, there is a general article on Nama in Richtersveld with few facts about the Apartheid time (Berzborn, Susanne. 2003. “Ek is ‘n Nama want ek praat die taal”. The Richtersveld and the national language policy in South Africa. In T. Hohmann, ed., San and the state. Contesting land, development, identity and representation, 327-367. Cologne: Rüdiger Köppe Verlag), but it might be difficult to get (depending on where you are). The mere fact of classifying Khoisan as Coloureds is stated for instance in Saunders, Christopher, and Nicholas Southey, 2001, A Dictionary of South Africa History. Cape Town & Johannesburg: David Philip.
Greetings, Newydd, 11 January, 2007

do u have any info on the khoisan under apartheid? i read they were sometimes clased as colored to create more tension between them and zulu people.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 23:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Ge'ez spelling of your name

Hey Halaqah, if you are trying to recreate Arabic حَلَقَة, the correct Ge'ez script would be ሐላቃህ. Arabic ta-marbuta (ة) usually corresponds to EthioSemitic "-at" (for Ge'ez) or "-et" like Hayaah/Hayaat vs. Hiywet. Also, arabic short "a" corresponds with first order "-e," so it would be "ለ" to make it cognate, but "ላ" just to recreate the same sound (compare Shermut'a - ሸርሙጣ, vs. Arabic Sharmut'a with short "a"). Just a suggestion. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 01:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

now i can spell my username, but the (ቃ) isnt that like Kebe a very K sound as opposed to a "QUAH"?---HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 01:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"ቃ" is the ejective "k," yes, but it's spelled "q," because that's what it means. Think of the letter "q" and "ቃ," don't they look alike? They both come from the same ancient Egyptian hieroglyph. Whenever the word in arabic has qaaf, it has "ቃ" in Ethiopian languages (think Qemis, for example, which is a loan from Arabic, which in turn is from Aramaic). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 01:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stop using pointless inflammatory language

Stop calling my edits "vandalism" when you know very well that they're not "vandalism", and stop calling them "unsourced" when you know very well that I've given multiple sources on past occasions. This does nothing whatsoever to lay the groundwork for futre constructive and mutually productive discussion. If your Arabic is up to par, then please inform yourself by looking up the meanings of the words زنج and related words derived from the same triliteral root ز ن ج in a suitable Arabic dictionary. If the state of your skills is such that you are not able to look things up in an Arabic dictionary in this way, then you probably shouldn't be trying to lay down the law on the meaning of Arabic words. AnonMoos 20:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stop inept attempt to start RFC

Dude, you added the RFC to the "certified" section of page Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct when your request was NOT "certified" (and in fact you hadn't even begun to go through the first necessary steps of starting up an RFC process) -- this is incompetent at best, and deceptive at worst. Furthermore, considering that you have constantly been accusing me of being racist and a bigot, and calling my edits "vandalism" when you know very well that they aren't vandalism, and calling my edits "unsourced" when you know very well that they aren't "unsourced", and dismissing standard scholarly linguistic sources like the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic without offering the slightest relevant reasons for doing so, and without bringing in any relevant sources of your own, you're treading upon a very thin ice of hypocrisy here, since your own behavior would seem to be far from being above reproach.

Of course, I'm still waiting for you to either look up the meanings of the words زنج and related words derived from the same triliteral root ز ن ج in a suitable Arabic dictionary and report back the results, or to admit that the state of your skills is such that you are not able to look things up in an Arabic dictionary in this way. Doing either one of these would do much to clear the air (but judging by your past performances, you'll do neither). AnonMoos 20:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Personal attacks

I never claimed to be an Arabic speaker, and have never claimed that my knowledge of the Arabic language to be anything other than it is -- based exclusively on written Arabic, using knowledge derived from dictionaries and grammars of written Arabic, aided slightly by my knowledge of ancient Hebrew and comparative Semitic linguistics. So what I know is what is in my dictionaries (which include the standard modern scholarly English-Arabic dictionary). Halaqah in that form (with three syllables) is not included in the standard modern scholarly English-Arabic dictionary, so it would appear not to be a common form in Modern Standard Written Arabic (though several other words with meanings somewhat similar to "circle" derived from root ح ل ق do appear in this dictionary). Halaqah could very well be a popular word in several spoken vernacular dialects, but that is not a kind of Arabic that I have tried to learn or have ever claimed to have any knowledge of.

Meanwhile, Halaqah is not relevant to article Zanj, but زنج , زنوج , and زنجي are highly relevant, so that it would greatly facilitate bringing this matter to a conclusion if you could look these words up in an Arabic dictionary, and report back what you find.

And if you would stop calling my edits "vandalism" when you know very well that they aren't vandalism, and calling my edits "unsourced" when you know very well that they aren't "unsourced", that would pretty much end the "personal attacks"... AnonMoos 21:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I never attacked your knowledge start there, u attacked mine. What does Sudan mean, but you have the Arabic def for Sudan for Arabic, is this correct?--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 21:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since consistently from beginning to end you have never employed your claimed Arabic knowledge in any way that would be useful for settling the disputed points about article Zanj, that naturally serves to create doubt concerning the status of your aforesaid claims. And I discussed the meaning of Sudan (as well as the fact that "Zanj" in Arabic does not mean "black" in the sense of the abstract color) in old Decemnber comments on Talk:Zanj. AnonMoos 21:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Use the source, Luke

I have just removed your "Where is the source?" ranting from my user talk page, since my primary source (as I've said repeatedly over and over again many times) is the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic and other comprehensive scholarly Arabic dictionaries -- which all say basically the same thing, and which you haven't presented anything relevant to cast into question. (I actually have other sources, which we could get to if and when you ever get around to acknowledging the dictionaries, and stop trying to prove that Hans Wehr beat his wife.) AnonMoos 21:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What "three sources" are those? The burden is on you to show that these sources, whatever they are, prove the incorrectness of the the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic and the other other comprehensive scholarly Arabic dictionaries -- which all say basically the same thing. So far you haven't presented the slightest evidence that anything in any sources does any thing to cast any doubt on the accepted linguistic facts of the Arabic language. AnonMoos 21:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Use the source, Luke (pt 2)

I have just removed your second round of "NO SOURCE!" ranting from my user talk page, since you know very well (as I've said repeatedly over and over and over again many many times) that my primary source is the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic and other comprehensive scholarly Arabic dictionaries -- which all say basically the same thing, which you haven't presented the slightest relevant information to cast into question... AnonMoos 21:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No source, the user doesnt understand you must add valid source, inline sources. You cant tell me some book says so, i am an editor not a reader. You are giving misinformation without evidence in the article of where it comes from. you have mangled or confused the def of zanj with Sudan, two different words. Sudan is a place (land of the Blacks) Zanj was a term for some East Africans, excluding groups like the Dinka, an many Sourthern Ethiopian poeple. Zanj doesn mean Black people as this term includes too many ethnic groups and Zanj was not inclusive of these groups.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 22:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, don't tell me what I am finding and not finding in the dictionary, when what you are saying is contradicted by the direct and immediate evidence of my own eyes. Root س و د (from which words meaning "black" in the sense of an abstract color are derived) is defined on page 513 of the dictionary, while root ز ن ج (whose historically-changing range of meanings I have adequately explained in past comments on Talk:Zanj) is defined on pages 445-446 of the book. These entries are over 50 pages apart in the dictionary.

I'm perfectly happy to add a formal reference to the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic in article Zanj, but the process is not facilitated by you telling me things which I know are factually false. AnonMoos 22:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I dont know how one dictonary could be Gods final word on anything, how it could be such an authority, why? if that is true everything on wiki should be deleted and replaced with what some dictonary says. Should we do that, delete all the zanj content and let this Arab-English dictonary tell us all about the Zanj?--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 23:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic

It is not an "article", it's a book of 1,301 pages (4th edition of 1994). The root ز ن ج appears on pages 444-445, and the dictionary definitions of the various forms derived from this root are pretty much what I already gave you in my December comments on Talk:Zanj (don't feel like retyping those in here). AnonMoos 22:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

y r u giving them to me, give them as stated in the source, i am just an editor, And dont change my sources to fit your definition. how can this be valid, you can only state your source dont change mine, to fit yours. or are you saying your sources are better? --HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 22:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

dravidians

hey dude, I think we had that Dravidian issue allready on th black people page. We discussed it before.---> Dravdians (Indians) do not belong into the Black people article. I removed it from the Sociopolitical definitions, but let it ont the Criticism of definitions part. Nirmala Rajasinghams POV isn't whished either. thx ****Asian2duracell 00:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)****[reply]

Y does everyone call me dude?

How do you know i am not a Nubian Queen? I am not from Cali, and dont plan to go back to Cali anytime soon--re LL cool J.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 02:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why, isn't Cali nice? Anyway, I don't really understand why your page has been nominated twice for Afd, you surely noted that the second time apart of being an anon, the user only tags user:page. He's obviously mistaking Wikipedia for a social networking site. I really don't understand why you are asked (by whom?) to "clean-up" your page, I've looked a bit in the history and there is nothing shocking in it, no hate speech that I've seen of, so it's totally tolerable. Just compare the loads of non-sense you find on thousands of others user-pages. Beside, you'll surely love that advertisement here... Cheers mate! Tazmaniacs

WP:NOT#SOAPBOX. That thing about Archbishop Tutu was out of line. WP:NOT#MYSPACE. Userpages should relate to Wikipedia, not be a collection of random thoughts. And the image clearly violated fair use guidelines. Totally not tolerable. 132.161.187.62 19:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

when they cant stop you one way they try another and make a point out of it.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 17:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Y dont u show your face and show up as a real user. That "OUT OF LINE CONTENT" comes from his Dam page what are you talking about!!!!!!!!!!--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 20:39, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You want me to make a user account? What good would that do? 132.161.187.62 02:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha! Man, this user "Halaqah" seriously has some rage issues going on. I've been reviewing his edits especially and he removes ANYTHING that doesn't fit with his narrow minded views on the world, no matter how well sourced the contribution may be. Wikipedia needs less people like you "halakawakaaa"65.93.163.236 02:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hey

I just want to say I completely disagree with your views on Israel, and even your edits, but I admire the way you handle yourself. I admire the way you deal with Humus, who I think is being a bit unfair to you, and presumptous perhaps at time. I just want to tell you that I'm Jewish and that even though I disagree with your views I respect your conduct and you bring credit to your position. Tell me if you need a hand on a certain article. Peace friend, --Urthogie 02:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Filing a complaint against Asian2duracell

I am sending you this message in regards to a report I am filing against Asian2duracell to the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration. He has been found guilty of racial intollerance, name calling, trolling, sock puppetry, and vandalism. All other methods of conflict resolution have been tried and failed. Please let me know that you are aware of this request and if you would like to participate in this. Regards. Wiki Raja 01:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, Raja got banned for.... (drumroll)... SOCK PUPPETRY! good job Raja! 65.93.163.236 02:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

3RR

I've blocked you for 3RR. Since this is your 3rd 3RR block I've made it 48 hours. I suggest that when you come back you discuss on the talk page making a compromise version of the Israel section. JoshuaZ 21:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I could tell, the removal of the section was due not to vandalism but a claimed NPOV concern in the section. As has apparently already been explained to you on prior occasions, calling something vandalism does not make it so. I again repeat my earlier comment and suggest that you hammer out a compromise version of the section on the talk page. JoshuaZ 19:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as i can tell wiki works on discussion before making controversial deletions of entire sections. Given the balance of power, it is clear that no criterion will be good enought for inclusion of any critic of the state of Israel. --HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 11:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Israel Assumptions

do you have unresolved issues with israel? i'd be happy to share of my knowledge. Jaakobou 23:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

note: this is not meant as a personal attack but more of an inquery in regards to your general recent edits. Jaakobou 10:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add defamatory content to Wikipedia. If you would like to experiment please use the sandbox. Thank you.

"And when i first started doing some non-related research, i started to realize most of the cover-up surrounded Israel." ^[2]

this type of language both assumes lack of good faith and is defamatory to anyone editing the israel-palestinian related categories. if you have issues with regards to a topic you can deal with it in the proper channels rather than make accusations. Jaakobou 10:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

dont put unsigned post on my page

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Farrakhan

Your arguments are barely intelligable. If you wish to get outside opinion on this matter file and RfC. Paul B 09:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you didn't delete undisputed facts as "OR" without even checking on them and them=n make confontational comments on talk pages then there would be no edit war. The Jackson connection is already explained in current footnote. More can easily be added. Why don't you try reading up on the subject before you start cutting material. Paul B 09:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

see this pro-Farrakhan site http://www.blacksandjews.com/Nyhan_Globe.html. Paul B 09:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Galloway

It would be helpful if you could provide me a diff of which version you think I restore. The history is a complete mess with everybody throwing accusations at each other, and it is very hard for the uninitiated to separate the slander from the general mudslinging behind the scenes. – riana_dzasta 10:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted to that version. Tell me if you need anything else. – riana_dzasta 11:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the entire allegiations of anti-Zionism for now. I'm not going to be online for about half an hour, but please leave me a message either on my talk or on the article talk if you need anything else out. – riana_dzasta 11:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ann Coulter's Islamophobia

Hello, I'd like to invite you to help me putting Coulter on the Anti-Islam Sentiment category, as well as putting islamophobia in her See Also section. We both know islamophobia is very pertinent to Ann Coulter, but there are some Coulter lovers on her page who seen eager to remove any information that could lead people to the conclusion that she is a bigot. Thank you. CuriousDog 14:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If someone is afraid of Islamism, this doesn't make him an Islamophobe. --Vladko 19:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it technically does. 65.93.163.236 00:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Look at this . . . AGAIN

These guys dont stop. it is like the only thing they can do is cause trouble. Look at "Janjaweed" article Once again they have written "Arab tribes who've long been at odds with African farmers". this time they put link to a "UN" definition site to back it up, I will try to change it to Arab African, or "Arab speaking African militias" against non-arab african farmers" or sth. But their source is complete LIE. It is a UN definition page but it looks suspect. I think anyone can add definitions, and on the actual site , the main one unterm.un.org it says it is not endorsed by UN and it is being searched for discrepancies etc. But i may need your help, they have made it look pretty professional.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Gmflash 06:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is the problem with Wiki, Mob rule, and very difficult to stop. True or false, doesnt matter. You change it, they revert it. They cite CNN and that is like God Speaking. Personally i have lost interest in Wiki as most pages exposed to these kinds of people have no hope of reflecting balance.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 09:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Yes i know - i have lost interest too - but i still do it. because we need balance man. You would think they would have better things to do but they really dont. The only thing we can do is keep trying to get the balance out there, get the truth out there. even if it is simply a neutrality tag or something, it makes a difference to one person reading it and thinking it has an agenda and the same person reading it and trusting it/believing the lies.

Gmflash 12:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Haha im glad you are back in if this is the case. I've seen your contributions and its good to know you are an editor of wiki man. we have stayed and are trying to present balance and they are still putting out their propaganda, imagine if we just left it, if all the open minded ppl from wiki left, it would be overrun by bigots and ppl with an agenda, imagine the trash going into ppls minds! But it truly is sad that its is the 21st century and still ppl have the same agendas as 200, or even 2000 yrs ago, - vilifying ppl, spreading hate, lies, deception etc. All thats changed now is that it is easier for them because of technology!

Gmflash 12:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

black people

I wanted to avoid this whole controversy by not even including ethiopians. Deeceevoice wanted to so I am doing my best to reach a compromise. I know this issue has caused stress in the past, so I wish to handle it as delicately as possible Iseebias

Hal I've now made the wording even more neutral. All it says is that scientists know very little about the ancestry of North/East Africans. You have to remember that because of the controversy over ancient egyptians this is a huge area of controversy so I'm trying to be as neutral as possible. Please read what I've done Iseebias

Ramadan riots

Ramadan riots which is actually the same thing as French riots. Claims that the french unrest in the ghetoes was motivated by hatred of jews and christians as allegedly commanded by the quran, rather than povery, discrimination, and alienation of arab and black people in france. Aaliyah Stevens 00:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why should arab and black people stay in a xenophobic country like France? Why don't they join their Muslim brothers in a Sharia country? --Vladko 04:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nom for Delete

I've nominated your userpage for deletion per WP:NOT#SOAPBOX, among other WP:USERPAGE violations. Just so you know. 132.161.33.98 19:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've also removed a fair use image from your page. I don't have the link handy, but if you look around you'll find that such images can only be used on appropriate articles in the article namespace, and never on userpages. 132.161.187.62 00:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What polite people do is advise a user of an issue, they dont nominate something for deletion. i just removed the content so now what is your issue?--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 01:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No issue. Thank you for removing the offending contents from your user page. Hopefully now my MfD will fail and we can be done with this. I'll ask you, though, to keep in mind the userpage contents guidelines in the futures. Word. 132.161.187.62 07:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. This was quite ill mannered of who ever was editing at that IP. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 05:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your opinion, jpgordon. I value the input of others. 132.161.187.62 07:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

undue weight

I agree that section gave way too much weight to a narrow discussion about ethiopians. It wasn't me who introduced it. In fact I tried to remove it twice & the person accused me of trying to censor scientific information. So finally I went along with it & tried to make it better, but I'm glad you removed it because it will cause instability Iseebias

Okay Isseebias, now it is gone. its all strange to me, why Ethiopia? 1 country one race the Amhara and Tigre? y focus on them. anyway.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 22:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check the compromise of 8 lines. It removes a lot of the Ethiopian focus, and boils everything down to 8 lines, much shorter than the huge amounts of space devoted to Genesis, black baketball players, filmakers, or white guys in South Africa saying colored people look mixed. It confirms your point about the double standard in definign balck people. It could work. Take a look and see.

NEW SECTION:

A number of other scholars (Keita and Kittles, Armelagos, et al.) have challenged methods used to define black peoples as using pre-determined, arbitrary categories to cluster various African peoples. In particular, questions center on studies putting populations like the Nubians, Ethiopians, and others into Caucasoid or "mixed" groupings. [63]. It is argued that black peoples vary in skin color, hair, facial features, etc. just like other human populations, and cannot be pigeonholed into narrow clusters, nor are these variations always the result of mixed races. Critics charge that too often methods define a "true" black somewhere south and all others not meeting the narrow, stereotypical definition are assigned elsewhere.[64] They call for a truer picture of the geentic diversity of black peoples and less arbitrary categorizing.[65]

Adrunkman 05:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Regarding this edit, please see the archives of Talk:Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. This has been discussed at GREAT length, and the consensus is to retain those categories and remove Category:Anti-Semitic people. Please do not remove information from wiki pages to fit your particular Point-of-view, as that may be considered both a POV violation as well as vandalism. Thank you. -- Avi 20:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You need to review WP:BLP. Well-sourced statements are 'not volations. Continue this disruption, and you will be blocked to prevent further disruption of wikipedia. -- Avi 20:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shalom avi, seems a little strong form of action. Am i not free to edit this page? or is there a new rule the 2rr rule in place?--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 20:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There has been an extreme amount of discussion regarding these categories, which needs not be rehashed every few months. In a nutshell, the fact that MA is notable regarding anti-semitism is unvarnished fact. Whether he himself is anti-semitic is not. That he is anti-Israel and anti-Zioistic is. That is the reason for the particular distribution of the tags. Is there new information otherwise? Also, WP:BLP says:

We must get the article right. Be very firm about high quality references, particularly about details of personal lives. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately, and without discussion from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space.
— WP:BLP

We HAVE high-quality references regarding the anti-semitism. Thanks. -- Avi 20:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

okay i agree, but why then have all the other tags. Holocaust denier, antizionism on and on, isnt anti-S enought? i am intrested because i was in the ann coulter debate and it was the opposite verdict.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 21:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

VINDICATED AGAIN. Ha Ha. Its been a few years but my initial objection seems to have worked out. This pro-Zionist nonsense Wiki was being used for. De Cat be DEAD. So much for all what Avi said above. Happy Sukkot--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 07:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your userpage

I've closed the deletion discussion about your userpage here. Please take a moment to review the userpage guidelines when you have a moment. Thank you, — xaosflux ^Talk 02:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to know

Hi. There is an interesting discussion at the ANI. One of your diffs was cited, and 'educational' blocks have been threatened. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Personal attacks and claims of COI. For some reason, the threatening user, User:Jayjg, did not notify the people he was considering as targets. Somehow that seems contrary to the 'educational' objective. I thought you'd like to know. The Behnam 08:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

intrsting i only edit so i dont understand some of the terms and policies, but its seems jigs got save by all the fam faces. there is a quality issue and if wiki needs to remain trusted i think it needs to look in2 certain areas. people have eyes and they start to notice stuff.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 09:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps those "familiar faces" you mention are actually familiar with wikipedia policy, and apply it properly, as opposed to reactionism. Just an idea

. -- Avi 15:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Afrocentricity

It seemed fine to me. You can also try AfD if you think your proposal will be controversial. Khoi khoi 04:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

thnks, i gues it was 2 contro after all--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 08:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits to Template:African American ethnicity

I have reverted the edits you made to Template:African American ethnicity, as your edit summary indicated you may be pushing a particular point of view. I can understand your sentiment and personally agree with you, but I think you discuss this issue on the template's talk page before re-making these edits. Thanks! Natalie 00:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

take a look and c why i made those changes, thank U. we dont need an edit war over something like this, if we agree then let it b. all my changes r valid, to reflect the photo. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 00:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Africa Invitation

You have been invited to join the WikiProject Africa, a collaborative effort focused on improving Wikipedia's coverage of Africa. If you'd like to join, just add your name to the member list. Thanks for reading!

Belovedfreak 20:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I got hooked up!--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 21:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You did, indeed! Congratulations! 132.161.187.25 22:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A new award for you!

Congratulations! This award is in recognition of you having been "hooked up" with WikiProject Africa! It is a disco ball (or something)!

YAYS and HUZZAHS!

132.161.187.25 22:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nok

You say on your userpage that Nok was the first iron-age civ in Africa "and in the world". The Iron Age began 700 years earlier in the near and middle east, than it did in Nok. Perhaps there's some truth to the Igbo Jews' assertion that they're descended from refugees from the Assyrian Siege of Jerusalem or Babylonian Conquest of Jerusalem after all. Tom e r ^talk 01:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I never knew this info, i have to check this out. What i find intresting is how peoples have been mixing and moving around long b4 the history books claim. The Biblical world traditionally has been so narrow, now we are seeing the world is more inclusive than ever b4. chow.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 14:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your annoying practices

It's rather annoying of you to have again gone back to your old unpleasant and unconstructive practice of describing as "vandalism" edits which you know very well are NOT "vandalism". Furthermore, your "dispute" tags have been removed on two separate occasions by people (not me) who have seen no validity to your objections, and your statement of the alleged "dispute" is garbled and incomprehensible. Since no one who has come across the article page Zanj or the talk page Talk:Zanj has seen any validity in your arguments (and you still stubbordnly refuse to either look up Zanj in an Arabic dictionary, or admit that you're incapable of doing so), it could well be argued that it's your edits which should be considered borderline vandalism. AnonMoos 23:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have you noticed that when the dispute tags where moved the article was not how you constantly revert it to. or didn you notice your version is not the version that people have removed the dispute tags from. ur a disruptive editor as i have sourced my content and shown your mistakes, my sources are clear. U have mistakes in the opening translation, i have tags to say this is not in any reference. YOu delete that 2. Do not enage me in what i should do,or where i should look. edit the article not me, my ref add up.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 23:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your annoying practices AND your wiki-stalking harrassment WP:STALK

Dude, I did absolutely nothing whatsoever when you added a "dispute" tag to article Zanj, not once, but twice -- I let events play out and fully take their slow course, which was that BOTH TIMES the dispute tag was removed by SOMEONE ELSE (not me) who saw no merit in your arguments (in fact, no one who has come along on the article page or the talk page has ever seen any merit in your arguments). Now, I'm not going to let you add a dispute tag for a third time, simply because you're either unwilling or incapable of looking up the word Zanj (and related words) in an Arabic dictionary (a very simple action on your part which could have ended this pointless dispute months ago). You're really going to have to try something else, because the adding of a dispute tag is done and over with and has a fork stuck in it with respect to this particular article -- it has not led to any productive results the last two times around, so it would be truly futile and meaningless to give it a third attempt. And you stalking me around (WP:STALK) and attempting to harass and intimidate me by following me around and reverting my edits on unrelated topics isn't going to change anything on article Zanj -- all it means is that you're going to get yourself in trouble and possibly get banned again (as you have been before). Maybe you should think things over a little more before resorting to such pointless behavior. AnonMoos 01:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anything else? cant get banned unless i break the rules now can i. u will get banned because you vandalise peoples content, u add original research, you have never added a reference. you edit blind. you violate civility, you call people dude. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 09:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

see below: This does not include checking up on an editor to fix errors or violations of Wikipedia policy, nor does it mean reading a user's contribution log; those logs are public for good reason. The important part is the disruption - disruption is considered harmful. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 13:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Up to your old tricks again, I see

Calling something "original research" when you're very well aware that it's NOT "original research". Why do you do this? It doesn't have the effect of impressing anybody who knows the actual facts at issue, and it sure doesn't create a positive tone for future constructive and cooperative mutual collaboration! AnonMoos 13:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

pls do not make personal attacks against me anymore, you have been warned about this. u will also find that you will not push me over in an area i am fully learned in.Your intrest are in disruptive vanity, to show again and again your new found knowledge. As i have discovered you were doing the same thing on another Arabic term page. With the same arguments forcing it into the argument. Yet you never showed any understanding of Arabic lingua Franca when i asked you, your technical Arabic is nice but this is wiki not technical Arabic School. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 17:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're the one who calls things "vandalism" when you're very well aware that they're NOT "vandalism", who calls things "unsourced" when you're very well aware that they're NOT "unsourced", and who calls things "original research" when you're very well aware that they're NOT "original research", so you're not in a very good position to start accusing others of personal attacks. Furthermore, if you're so "learned" on the subject matter, then why is it that you're absolutely and utterly unwilling or incapable of looking up the word Zanj زنج in an Arabic-English dictionary, a very simple step which could have settled this increasingly pointless dispute months ago??????

Furthermore, while my limited knowledge of Standard Written Arabic (backed up by linguistics and grammar) may be useless for striking up a conversation on the street in Cairo, it's actually a lot more relevant to the articles Zanj and Sham than your limited knowledge of informal spoken colloquial conversational dialect Arabic. AnonMoos 01:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive vandalism on Zanj

You have been warned about vandalism, and apparent inability to use standard Arabic dictionaries. Also your disruptive edits to wiki in general will inspire us to suggest a block. You do not develp articles you troll and create problems with your pointless obsession with the race of Ethiopians. Christmasgirl

you are abusing these warnings, Christmasgirl. This is just wrong. You are being hypocritical. You revert pages you have no knowledge of, except little buzz words that you are obsessed with.

And use FOUR tildes to sign your post. Be respectful, and less vindictive. Halaqah has been working on the Zanj article and has put more effort into it than you. You have no right to put these warnings on her page because of your vandalizing of that article.

Your warning to this user is crazy, as it applies to you more so. Your accusation on the warning is exactly what you are doing. Your obsession with Black people and derogatory use of hybrid to refer to people of mixed ancestry is at best annoying. You are also vandalizing her user page. I believe you are a nuisance to the Wiki project. And should be banned. Jeeny 15:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Please stop the personal attacks

Warning

Please no personal attacks. You calling me a troll here [3] was a direct and very serious violation of wikipedia civility policy. But far more serious than that was your comment that I would never marry a certain wikipedia editor because I wouldn't want to darken my purity.[4] This comment was extremely inappropriate and an extremely serious violation of wikipedia policy that is not constructive on any level. Christmasgirl

Please stop blanking content from your talk page

Warning

Blanking warnings from your talk page hides disputes you have been in and is considered vandalism. Please refrain from doing so repeatedly. Christmasgirl

Re: Edit war on Zanj

Hi Halaqah, it is best to request page protection in the standard fashion (i.e. over at WP:RFPP) so that an uninvolved third party can take care of it. Best wishes, – riana_dzasta 02:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC) ill do dat.thnks --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 03:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for 3RR

You have been blocked for violating the three-revert rule on Zanj. As this is your fourth violation, the block duration will be 72 hours. Please discuss controversial changes or request dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

George Galloway

Please discuss your take on the disagreement here so we can move forward with this thing at the Galloway art. Thanks.--Jackbirdsong 01:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Talk:Black people/to do

Hi Halaqah, I made an edit to this page. It altered comments you had added. I am sure they are intended to be constructive, but they need to be a little clearer. Regards, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 04:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry i was away.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 14:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I have partially returned

I am still in retirment as wiki is a joke and too many people who without license can do what they want. To the death of development. Anyone who was calling i am sorry i couldnt do my thing.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 15:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Warning-

Wikipedia is not an afrocentrist encyclopedia! Your ideas about the Sahara are idiotic and do not hold! While you may desire the elimination of the divide, others do not and nor does fact! If you keep assuming that you are the sole ediotor you will be blocked! Mariam83 14:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Please do not revert my talk page. It is my right to blank my talk page once all messages have been read, particularly as I am solely interested in the content. Please refer to this page [5] for further information. Thank you. Mariam83 19:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do not blank your talk page as you are hidding the remarks and warnings which expose your mindset and your conduct on wiki. your link is not relevant to the blanking of talk pages.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 19:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Atlantic slave trade

Hi, I would ask you to take the numbers conflict to the talk page. The topic has been discussed there a few months ago and the 9.4 to 12 was somewhat of a consensus (somewhat because only 2 editors were involved in this discussion). I would ask you to name the "many African historians" there, so other contributors can check this. I'm personally not aware of any prominent contemporary historians who estimated numbers far out of this range as "arrivals". Thanks. Malc82 14:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The "few lines" were the entire article except for the "professional memberships" and "external links" section. Please read WP:COPYVIO (and maybe WP:EQ) before calling this "silly". Thanks. Malc82 22:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

EXACTLY A FEW LINES--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 00:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Myth

If the Sahara is a myth, then so is the mediterranean sea. The fact is, you are BLACK and sub-saharan africa means black, your history is different, you do not belong to north africa, which is a white, Arab, berber (and not the blacks who pretend to be berber), civilized region. I think you just have an inferiority complex, but don't forget that the north africans started the slave trade and that in north africa black illegal immigrants are attacked and were killed in Libya etc. Try becoming saudi arabia instead. You should distance yourself from people who enslaves your ancestors. Mariam83 15:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some comments

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Islam and Slavery

Hello, I have been reading your posts in the Islam and slavery discussion page. I agree with everything you write, and I believe that there is a concerted effort to paint Islam in a negative light, using Africans as a proxy. I suggest seeing these pages: http://www.zanzinet.org/zanzibar/images/ali_hamoud_sultan_of_zanzibar_scaled.jpg

http://www.zanzinet.org/zanzibar/historical_pictures.html

One can clearly see that the slave trade in Zanzibar was not racial, nor was it an Arab on black issue. As most Arabs in Zanzibar are black, themselves (Afro-Arabs). This also includes the Sultan, as shown in the image above (earlier sultans were clearly mixed). For more examples of black Arabs, one simply needs to research the “Janjaweed” of Sudan; those militia men responsible for the atrocities currently taking place in that country. Upon typing “Janjaweed” into Google image one is greeted by dozens of images of pure black Africans, armed to the teeth and dressed in Arab style. Watching the news or reading a Wikipedia article one would think that the Arabs in Sudan are Middle Eastern... They are black!

Blacks in Zanzibar were not only slaves. They were also rulers and respected members of society:http://www.zanzibarhistory.org/Zanzibar_Women.htm . Most of the slave trading that took place in Zanzibar was carried out by black people.

OREE ABOUT THE EAST AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE:

It is now an accepted fact among serious historians of East Africa that long distance trade routes between the interior and the coast were established exclusively through African initiative. In other words trade routes were forged by Africans from the interior going to the coast, not by the Arabs, or the Swahili, setting off from the coast into the unknown, hostile interior. Swahili traders only began to forsake the security of the coast in the second half of the eighteenth century, and travelled along well-established routes which had been developed decades before. Only after the nineteenth century was underway did Arab traders dare follow this lead. ^[1]

In West Africa these routes were driven inland from the coast by Africans who were primarily seeking slaves. Slaves dominated the West African trade from the first. In East Africa neither of these conditions was matched. The slave-trade must be seen in the context of earlier, well-established, and profitable long distance trade which was based overwhelmingly on ivory. This is particularly important to remember for the southern region which was always the main reservoir for the East African slave-trade. ^[2]

[Please leave me a message if you are interested in collaborating on making Wikipedia less of a anti-Islamic propaganda machine] --70.68.179.142 14:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Are blacks more intelligent?

Evidence here:

http://www.africaresource.com/content/view/528/236/

--70.68.179.142 (talk) 23:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eritrea

What is the religious breakdown of Eritrea, between christian and muslim? I can't seem to find data on this. The anecdotal information I have is un-reliable. I assumed entirely muslim, but that can't be true. Omniposcent (talk) 18:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Soupforone

Is it possible to block Soupforone for 3RR on his edits of the List of topics related to Black and African people page? RemoTheDog (talk) 18:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Criticism of Gandhi

It is very necesserey that Gandhi should be criticised for his double-speak and appeasment etc. You should start a separte page for this purpose

Jon Ascton (talk) 05:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

True but I am cutting down my wiki hours, a while ago I promised never to return due to the dd standards of wiki admin editors. But Ill support u if you do it.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 06:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, per WP:POVFORK, you shouldn't be creating an article all about critisism, just as there shouldn't be a Praise of Gandhi article. Any notable criticisms should be worked into the Gandhi article itself. --King Öomie 22:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

pet project

For the records, I don't know who Edward Geoffrey Parrinder is. I did not write it. Sub-saharan africa has been affiliated with black africa. I am a descendant of black africa. I would never write anything that trivializes my heritage. I would never use weak sources. For the religious section, I have used text from ehret, davidson, and eglash. All in my mind credible. Believe me, I work with no one.Kacembepower (talk) 02:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

article

Halaqah, I wrote most of that article. I made sure most of the references are solid. I tried to balance any POV pusher. Don't waste too much of your time debating or discussing. It takes away a lot of time from writing/researching the article. Focus on finding data on religion in Africa. Racist POV pushers tend to be very ignorant. The key is to deconstruct the ignorance with facts(research). Kacembepower (talk) 02:20, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I dont even remember how to reply to these emails. wiki needs a better system.I know the problem you are having but I have to stress good references and clear content. I want to make it better but how can i do edits when Mr. Soup will revert the work? It is a waste of time. So until we use the talk page and the trend of edit wars end how can this article develop? Many clashes with Mr. Soup. I am fully aware of the POV pushing which has one racist agenda. But lets review the sources and clean it up so it stands up--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 09:44, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

African slave trade

I noticed that on November 30, 2009 you made some edits to this page. In the first paragraph of "Effect on the economy of Africa" the last sentence ends mid-sentence: "It also reduced the mental health and social development of African people and created a situation where [68]" I had a look at the cited document but was unable to guess how that sentence should end. Perhaps you would be able to revisit this article and fix up the omission. Cheers! FrostedΔ14 18:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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would love your collaboration

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Accent (linguistics)

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No problem, i thought it was a good example of prejudice. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 17:26, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Your harassment of me

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Cease your wikistalking you little freak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment#Wikihounding

79.97.171.208 (talk) 04:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i suggest you read edit warring, using talk page and last wiki civility page, let the record show you have violated wiki policy by calling me names. I will report this thank q.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 05:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stop. Hounding. Me. Leave. My. Constructive. Edits. Alone. Leave. Me. Alone. 79.97.171.208 (talk) 16:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Use the tallk page stop pushing your self proclaimed constructive edits.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 17:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you read them instead of instantly reverting all of my contributions you would see that they are constructive. 79.97.171.208 (talk) 18:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You should have used the talk page. Now we will both be blocked. It is a waste. If we are blocked nothing gets developed. People would have far less issues if you use the talk page, beat out an argument and compromise. I been here a while and i did this revert war when i first came, it doesnt work out.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 18:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And you know very well you are stalking me. I stalked u only because I suspected a vandal running through wikipedia destroying work. People do it all the time. But you are stalking me (a quality editor) for revenge. there is a difference. Use the talk page and I will have no more issues with you, USE NPOV and I have no more issues with you--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 18:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You, sir, are no quality editor. 79.97.171.208 (talk) 19:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ(talk) , it may be of intrest to you that User talk:79.97.171.208 has been temporaly blocked due to thier other vio's on several pages to.--Wipsenade (talk) 17:50, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doku (2nd nomination)

I've reverted your edits to this AfD. That's not how you nominate a completely unrelated article. Please refer to WP:AFDHOWTO for more information on requesting a deletion discussion. --Onorem ♠Dil 22:06, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article of Interest

Thought you might be interested in this new article: Criticism of Western culture.-- Novus Orator 09:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Friendly notice

I've removed a petition at Talk:Ethiopia as soapboxing, but have copied and pasted your good-faith response at the originator's talk page. Hope this is OK. Haploidavey (talk) 14:15, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

cool, i figured someone would have deleted it but I assumed the soapboxer was well meaning. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think they probably are... As your answer was sincere and accurate, I gave a link to the diff, on the editor's talk-page. Haploidavey (talk) 14:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

African traditional religion

Hi Halaqah. I just noticed the discussion over at the African traditional religion article. Just wanted to say that I think you have a valid point. Ehret is a linguist and is pretty controversial as it is in that field; nevermind religion, which is outside his area of expertise. As a regular on the Horn of Africa articles, I was wondering if you'd mind weighing in on this discussion over on the Somalia article. A newly-created account [6] has been attempting to add the following phrase to the page: "On 2 August 2011, the New York Times published an image referred to by the Huffington Post as a "Graphic photo" depicting a starving Somali child who is in imminent pearl as a result of the civil war. The decision to run the image was said by editors of the times to be "the best choice to bring the faraway crisis into focus for readers." The NYT piece in question is this one. I've tried explaining to the account that the passage fails WP:NOTNEWS, WP:TOPIC and WP:EVENT, but to no apparent effect; so I've queried about the passage's notability on N/N. When you have the time, your input would be most appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 08:48, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

i Will have a look now at the issue u cited. Cheers--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 08:53, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Middayexpress (talk) 20:47, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Haile Selassie

Hi Halaqah. So I've adjusted the Oromo article per our agreement on the Haile Selassie issue. I've also added an explanatory note to the Amhara page, but I haven't done so on the Gurage article (there seems to be some resistance to that sort of thing on the discussion page). Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 20:47, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cool--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 09:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good call

Hi Halaqah. As it turns out, your hunches were right. Checkuser just confirmed that User:أبو الحارث بن قيس عيلان is a sock of User:Antime, a Sudanese editor with a long history of these sorts of edits (c.f. [7], [8]). Both accounts have been banned indefinitely, and that unhelpful category that he tried to start yesterday was likewise deleted. The user was also operating another account, User:Prince jasim ali, where he was performing other similarly unconstructive edits. Two such disruptive edits are on the Northeast Africa and North East Africa re-direct pages, which he was attempting to re-route to the North Africa article -- nevermind the fact that the majority of North Africa (i.e. the Maghreb) actually lies in the North West and the map he produced to support his claims actually unambiguously includes the Horn in that designation (c.f. [9]). I've left a comment here on the matter. When you of course have the time, your input would be most appreciated. Also, perhaps we should start thinking about examining the banned accounts' various edits since, like you said, their disruptive nature was quite widespread. To that end, I've already restored the lede on the Beja page. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 16:05, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, I knew it was a sockpuppet.I ran into some b4 and they have very specific agendas so that is what gives them away.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 16:15, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well-spotted. By the way, good resolution to the Ehret affair. Middayexpress (talk) 16:20, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cat fight?

In this edit, you referred to a "cat fight". May I ask what you intended to imply by this? Do you think it was an appropriate analogy? Arkmanda (talk) 01:39, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, A better read of the post makes your meaning clear. Arkmanda (talk) 05:34, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re:

I actually did notice that edit war on that article and was actually thinking about contacting you with some friendly advice. I don't really have any opinion on the nature of the content, but for the rest, my two cents: it's not worth fighting over. Very few editors would consider that link reliable per WP:NOTADVOCATE. The editor also actually appears to be one of the very oldest members on this website, having started back in '02. As such, he's a veteran among veterans. It would therefore be best, I think, if the two of you just sat down and hammered out a mutually satisfactory agreement. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 08:54, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice, It is just very unfair and one of the reasons why i stopped editing here. RS has always been used to get rid of any minority voice on Wiki. I have struggled to get African academics positions represented in African topics. And regardless of the research these guys do it never matches up to a author who might be from Oxford who on vacation decides to write a book on Tribes in Africa. That book is published reviwed and praised. A scholar in Gambia university with 20 years on the subject is not R.S. Fahmu on All Africa]--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 08:59, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No prob, but I don't think it's the fact that the gentleman is African that's the problem. It seems to be the fact that that website Pambazuka describes itself as "a pan-African electronic weekly newsletter and platform for social justice" and that it is "designed to be a tool for progressive social change" that sets off alarm bells. You're a veteran editor in your own right and a valuable contributor too. As such, I think it's better if you just try and work with the system than against it. Thinking long-term is the key. Middayexpress (talk) 09:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That might be true and I fully get your point. However sticking with that rule means African Union, {{ANC]], and anything political organization would also have to be removed. Clearly it is being used to suit a POV. Entire articles on political issues use source from organizations that have agendas. Pan=African means all of Africa. ADL has never been decried as not R.S despite having a very specific objective. But i will not bother to fight beyond what I have done. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 09:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I can appreciate your frustration. Wikipedia can sometimes come off like the twilight zone. Middayexpress (talk) 09:31, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Ben

What "sneaky edits" are you referring to? And why can't you see them?--Wlmg (talk) 22:58, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mayb I am using wiki wrong but people sometimes do a major edit, followed by a minor edit to hide major changes, from the watch list you cannot see anything major at first glance. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 23:08, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That is a common tactic to mask a major edit with minor one. Do you have your settings set to my preferences> Recent changes>Advanced options> Enhanced recent changes (requires JavaScript) --Wlmg (talk) 16:26, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

thanks--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 16:56, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any idea of a wikiproject that we can consider recruiting an expert from? and then tag the article for requiring an expert.--Wlmg (talk) 20:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Henry Louis Gates

Hello, Halaqah. You have new messages at Talk:Henry Louis Gates.
Message added Viriditas (talk) 08:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

A complaint about your edits has been filed at WP:AN3

Hello Halaqah. Please see WP:AN3#User:Halaqah reported by User:Tamsier (Result: ). You may respond there if you wish. EdJohnston (talk) 21:11, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Serer people's medieval history to present

Hi, as an editor on the Serer people article, I have re-edited the "Medieval history to present" section [10]. Since you put the NPOV tag in there, have a look at it and if satisfied remove the tag and state it in the relevant section of the talk page. I have also added a lead section and reformated it just in case it becomes necessary to split it from the main article per your tag. I'll make an entry in the relevant section of the talk page. Tamsier (talk) 21:57, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Serer people and the Almoravids

Hi,

I noticed you are a contributor to the Serer people article; I want to ask if you know where the material about their relation to the Almoravids comes from? I mean the primary sources of it not the present-day sources cited. I've read much about the Almoravids, I've never come across anything related to a Black African ethnic group; I was just wandering if there are some old chronicles about this from the Senegal area. Or is it just pseudo-Historians theorizing about the events and not really basing their accounts on quasi-contemporary old manuscripts.
Thanks in advance Tachfin (talk) 05:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have to admit I do not know. Post a note on the Serer people page perhaps one of those editors knows and we should include it. I am guessing (from other areas I know) Arab travelers to the region. Ajami sources associated with Ancient Mali etc. Tarikh Ul Sudan is probably the best guess from the African side. But I am guessing as I am only now learning the Senegambia region.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 05:52, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I guess the only material we have is based on Moorish historian al-Bakri and Yaqut al-Hamawi though I don't trust the latter; he lived far away in Syria and fabricated many legends to amaze the reader. Checking that right away, some of the material on wiki seems over stated. Tachfin (talk) 06:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For your information

You have been reported here [11].

Tamsier (talk) 15:45, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank youTamsier BLOCK LOG FOR during his short visitwho has a Loooooooong history of problems here on wikipedia.[12] +[13]+[14]. Not to mention their famous WP:POINT edit [15] (proper disruptive work 10/10) so i find it strange they are "This is your last Warning" me. LOL. One of them is using wikipedia for ethnic propaganda [16](they were warned by several editors and blocked). They clash with so many editors and have so much civil problems. Take for example the Stupid woman comment here [17] Strange that they would cite me for editing wikipedia on Serer topics. Name calling filthy little hands from Serer related articles [18] and [19].Insulting editors and not doing much editing [20] and name calling doing work for Berber Master[21] and further insults to intentions [22]. Abusing Admin notice board to discuss edits you do not like is pointless. Such debates should happen in the correct places. They also have a history of using these spaces to complain see [23] + [24]. Please see some more of their rants against other editors. [25] and [26]. and their conspiracy theories [27]. The list is longer. Mahn I didnt even know there was more from other users check this out : Tamsier has even nominated the Islam article for speedy deletion [28] and edit warred over it! [29] He also nominated a user page for speedy [30]; attacked the admin in an unblock request calling them "people like you always cowar to the muslims" add that to socking and various PA. I've seen editors indefed for far less, we've been so far very indulgent with him and refrained from responding to his personal attacks and focused on discussing content...Frankly he should consider himself lucky. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 16:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disamb

Hi Halaqah. I've just created a much-needed disambiguation page for Northeast Africa. Please have look when you find the time and let me know what you think. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 20:22, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 04:20, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Already blocked

Want to take that off AN/I before someone responds to it? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:23, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, while i was typing it probably went down. Live long and Prosper.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 16:26, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

African immigrants

Hi Halaqah. There's a bit of an issue over on the African immigration to the United States page; the details are explained here. As one of the regulars on Wikiproject Africa, your input would appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 19:22, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dont know how much I can help since cuz for me African only means African race (i.e Black people). --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 20:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's just one group of Africans (albeit the most numerous), but not all people from the continent; c.f. [31]. Middayexpress (talk) 20:53, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the usage on the page it would be valid because they are Nationals of Africa, thats why it really needs qualifying in the lead. Because Nationals of Africa, like Nationals of India, China Israel etc. But being Israeli has many meanings one is ethnic/religious.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 21:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I realize that some papers sometimes rather ignorantly use the term "African" to just refer to actually one group of Africans (blacks), while excluding other residents of Africa from the term (such as Berbers). But that's not the common usage and certainly not the one in use in the article. The page pertains to all immigrants from Africa, not just one particular group (even if they are the most numerous, they don't hold a patent on the term "African"). The counterpart to African immigrants is Asian immigrants because Asia, like Africa, is also very diverse in terms of ethnoracial composition. So nationals of Africa is paralleled by nationals of Asia. Middayexpress (talk) 21:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing ignorant about how people chose to define themselves. And we should avoid labeling what we disagree with as ignorant. Diverse world is diverse realities, things you cannot see unless you are me. b/c Majority shape definitions if 98% fit that definition. Ignorance if we need to use the term is to call 1 billion brown people BLACK or Negroid. (and African people play no role in how that name was put on ) I live in Africa, I am African and 99% would never refer to a White person or an Indian as an African (only some in SA - political reasons)- and even then most Whites in SA wouldnt, esp so-called colored people (never). nationality is not identity. African countries is non-racial, African people is. Who is Habesha, Who is a Jew (ethnic),Who is an Arab (nothing to do with Living in Arabia) (and who is not), Who is Levantine Who is anything, are human words that we use (to group) whom we chose. there are always exceptions but exceptions dont break the rule. What does it mean to be black (is no different in terms of patent, who decided that for Africans?). Why not include everyone in every term who wants to be included? I say racism is ignorant but not race."Look at that Asian man on TV"- Doesn't mean a 2nd generation White guy from Hong Kong. As Kwesi Prah said, if everyone is African- then no one is African. As Chester said "We are African b/c Africa is born in us (DNA) not b/c we are born in Africa". Bob Marley, Garvey, Du Bois, Asante, Karenga, and endless list, all subscribe to this. African languages, African culture, African art.African religion. means something beyond nationality. [32] p.s Chinese (the racial usuage) are economically black people in South Africa, so a 2nd Gen Chinese-person national of SA is a Black African LOL.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 05:26, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't label anyone ignorant; certainly not you. I said that papers sometimes rather ignorantly use the terms "African" and "black" almost interchangeably, and to the exclusion of the many other non-black inhabitants of the African continent (that includes more than recent European immigrants, by the way; c.f. [33]). The rest of your post is honestly a bit difficult to follow. For instance, you wrote earlier that "for me African only means African race (i.e Black people)", but now ask "what does it mean to be black"? Also, a second generation white man from Hong Kong is hardly equivalent to an Afrikaner since Afrikaners have been in southern Africa for hundreds years (a time when the Bantu still hadn't finished populating most of Sub-Saharan Africa). About as long as African Americans have been American, and few question their right to call themselves "American". Lastly, obviously no singular, all-unifying African culture, language, religion or art exists. In fact, I can name quite a few that share little if any relations despite being spoken, practiced or adhered to in close proximity to one another. Same landmass =/= same people, just as next door neighbors often aren't blood relatives. Whatever the case, it's your talk page so I'll let you have the last word. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 11:40, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I know you didnt mean ignorant in that way. i am typing fast so trust that i am making sense. lol. Let me clarify. For me African only means Black people (the term most people understand- not the term i would use, so i use it to push a point). we are using social constructions to define other constructions. I find great issue with black people as an official way of talking about myself - who voted on this move? My skin is not black, What does it say about me (John Henrik Clarke). In Ethiopia it is never used. People determine who is in their group and who is not-these groups are very real. What matters above all of this is what happens between Japan and Java, East and West, North and South When you say "African" everyone knows you do not mean a handful of white settlers somewhere in Southern Africa. Even in SA Indians and coloreds do not say they are African, they say they are South African (country).(if you come to SA try calling them that and see the reaction-) European 9.9/10 doesn't mean any African person (no matter how long we live in Europe) two things nationality and identity (how people chose to group themselves subjective or not). being Habesha (for example which is exchangeable with Ethiopian) =/= Ethiopian National. Ali Mazrui spoke about this African of the blood (race) and African nationals(soil) - not the same thing. I will save the debate about unifying African culture because now that would be a hot topic .--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 12:12, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Acting and accents

Hello Halaqah. You recently restored a large amount of text to the page Accent (linguistics) with the edit summary "We should Request for comments and take other steps before chopping entire sections - I think we can work to make this better as a 1st step".

You may be unaware that the page Acting and accents contains substantially similar content to what you added to Accent (linguistics). There is a link to the former page under the See also section of the latter page. If you think the connection should be stronger, perhaps a {{Main}} tag or the like would be appropriate. It doesn't really seem necessary to me, however, to have the topic treated in detail on two pages.

Full disclosure: I removed the section "Acting and accents" from Accent (linguistics) in April 2011 after I discovered the page Acting and accents, which was created in 2007 and may have been copied into Accent (linguistics). Cnilep (talk) 01:21, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank for the note but we should have some kind of See also to that page. I dont know why a separate stub article is needed. It seems very isolated. Anyway thanks for letting me know.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 05:28, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will not have any issue being balanced in including content which merits inclusion and is properly discussed.

I truly truly hope so. It is so sad and such a shame when I see sourced content regarding Serer account simply being removed from relevant articles. Like you, I love history and want all the facts and not just selected facts (or claims) at the expense of others which is what certain quaters have been doing to Serer history for nearly 150 years. This is one of the main motivators for joining Wiki to give the Serer side. Therefore, I wil take your word for it when you said:

"I will not have any issue being balanced in including content which merits inclusion and is properly discussed."

Oh by the way, here is a compliment: the Serer people article is looking better and I apologise for my remarks here [34] I could have been more tactful. If I come back, I would like to make a fresh start with you. The arguments and wars are so draining. After reading many of your edits, over the years, I think I have judged you wrongly. Keep up the great job. Regards Tamsier

P.S. Not bothered by my IP. Its only IP. 86.135.192.247 (talk) 18:29, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am a nightmare for Eurocentrism, thats my legacy here. You have no idea what wiki was like and the state of African articles. Pan-Africanism, Maafa, Afrocentrism, African slave trade. African articles but All white opinions. So I dont have to go on too much - my contributions in defense of Africa tell that story. BUT, inserting Serer with a disregard for balance is where the problem is And then the attacking people is a bad way to go- no one has survived wiki doing that. cuz no one trust you, and building up a reputation is the best way to edit. "Tell no lies, claim no easy victories" Cabral. Some of that Serer stuff was terribly offensive and I have no idea why you refuse to GET THE POINT. There was no conspiracy, it was the editing that was the issue. Having an unnatural degree of hatred of Muslims, is not good for any seeker of info. It corrupts objectivity. I understand you feel Serer history has been excluded (i feel the same about African history in general), but the solution is not to violate NPOV to fix that. I have no plan ever to white wash Islamic or African history- but balance it. Negative things do not bother me as long as it is first true and NPOV. So Islam=bad is not the entire story. It is draining having to watch Serer topics when so many other things need my attention. as i said I have ZERO problem with any editor that shows balance and good faith. That's the best thing about wiki, intellectual reasoning between different peoples to make the articles better. TRUST W. E. B. Du Bois made this A-class. Far more could have been done for Serer people had this been observed - I hope you see that now. Balance makes your heart clean. I learnt that editing wiki, cuz I started off a hot head also angered by the racism against Africans. 6 years later U have to cool down, learn the rules and compromise and edit honest.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 06:34, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Administrator intervention against vandalism

Thanks for your report at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism about the edits from 70.75.90.119 at Talk:Moors. That was not really the right place for the report, because the edits, although unhelpful, were apparently done in good faith, so they are not vandalism. You may like to look at WP:Vandalism. Nevertheless, I have warned the user about a possible block. Please feel welcome to contact me on my talk page if the problem continues. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:31, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, I knew it wasnt vandalism but at least figured it was closer to spamming. Anyway I will see how it goes. I just wish he would use wiki proper and help the debate. Funny thing I dont have too much issue with his argument just his methodology and youtube links.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 13:00, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lactose intolerance

Regarding the material you copied from Lactase persistence to Lactose intolerance: I appreciate that the two topics are, as you say, two sides of the same coin, but we had everything in one article until very recently and it that really made it quite unwieldy and difficult to cover both topics well. I created Lactase persistence as a content fork a few weeks ago (with some material from a third article) to try to address that issue, after proposing it on the talk page way back in January (discussed here, Talk:Lactose intolerance#Proposed split sounds great. and Talk:Lactose intolerance#Merger proposal of redundant content fork). So that's the background to the split coverage, and my rationale for invoking WP:BRD on your edits. joe•roe^t•c 22:49, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The map of Lactose intolerance by region can then be found where in the intolerance article? I dont think we can argue that the article doesnt need a map. Actually i wanted to see the map and thats what brought me to the article. (i.e. as a customer not an editor).--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 02:44, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Continued on the article's talk page. joe•roe^t•c 10:21, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Panavision

Hello Halaqah.
I have reverted your recent edit to Panavision. The lead probably does need updating but the text you added was about events nearly 20 months ago and you used a bare url as a reference. That reference is actually already used at ref № 48 and that could have been used if necessary. Additionally there were spelling errors. All up I don't think it improved the lead, so I reverted it. --220 of ^Borg 06:24, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No problem I didnt write it properly. But I figured something regarding the financial issues and take over (if that is the case) should be in the lead. Peace--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 07:16, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CENSORSHIP

Hi Toure Neblett, I realize you think you are above criticism on account of your complexion and your hatred of your white relatives. But suck it in and quit censoring little boy. If you can't reply to debate, throwing a tantrum is immature.

Oh, and Janet Jackson will never ever sleep with you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.185.188.17 (talk) 17:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok you caught me, I am immature but I did marry a White lady though. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 17:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pop. & religion

Hi Halaqah. I was wondering if you could perhaps have a look at this matter when you have the time. An anon IP has been removing sources and adding original research on the size of the respective Somali and Central/Southern African expat populations. He seems to be trying to insinuate that Somalia is not a predominantly Muslim country and that it is actually located in Central/Southern Africa (the edits are really weird). He has been revert-warring over this with several editors but persists. By the way, I noticed the issue on the Religion in Africa page, and you definitely have a point. I've left a comment there. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 06:46, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks 4 that, It gets really exhausting dealing with ip nuts, they dont have anything constructive to do so it is no expense to them. They also are not interested in reasoning. Why not just protect the page? cuz they have been very busy. With re:Religion I hate those generalizations, because it is hardly the case for Ethiopia for e.g.(no more so that anywhere else that is) and What people call "native religion" mixing is in fact African traditional medicine and general culture. So you go to the herbalist for a problem, that doesn't mean you are mixing. And like everywhere else in both ET and Nigeria is considered very taboo. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 06:59, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No prob & thanks for taking a look. I already tried RFPP, but they said it wasn't serious enough yet. Such edits are definitely a nuisance, though. I totally agree with your take on the religion issue. Generalizations of that sort are not helpful and are ultimately grounded in ignorance imho. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 07:15, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Small revert on Religion in Africa

I reverted one of your three changes to that page--specifically, the one in the Christianity subsection where you rearranged the order of the sentences, moving the syncretic part to the end. I think that it is best if you don't make any changes like that that change the balance/weight of the info about syncretism while the RfC is still ongoing. It's one thing to insist that the IP's edits should be reverted (i.e., that we should go back to the stable version from before the edit warring), but it's another to say that you can make further changes based upon the 2-1 consensus for the prior issue. Again, there's no hurry. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:35, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know why I moved it down? It has nothing to do with the debate or the issue with syncretism part. Ethiopia comes first because it is older, if Christianity in Ethiopia is approx 2000 years old which should come first, the colonial variant or the Ethiopian one?--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 05:23, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Halaqah.

Hi Halaqah, Happy new year. My apologies again for my remarks in Serer related articles. I should have kept my cool no matter what. I hope that is behind us.

I have just created a new article Alhaji Alieu Ebrima Cham Joof. The subject is well known for lots of things and e.g. politics, history, trade union, activist, author, etc, and many of them overlap. I've been working on the article for couple months but yesterday decided to load it up. If you have time, it would really be appreciated if you can take a look at it and tell me what is fine and what needs to be improved.

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Just a notice that I have replied to your comment, made two months ago, at Talk:Maafa. NotFromUtrecht (talk) 08:09, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Halaqah, Serer tags.

Hi Halaqah, Hope all is well. And yes I really mean that. You have not contributed to Wiki for few months. Hope everything is cool. Anyway, I am writing regarding the tags you've added to Serer history (medieval era to present), Maad a Sinig Kumba Ndoffene Famak Joof and The Battle of Fandane-Thiouthioune. I have gone through all these articles and tried to improve them to the best of my ability with respect to neutrality and of course per sources. Unfortunately I would have invited you to have a look at them but you have not contributed for a while now. I am removing the tags but when you decide to come back and still feel there are problems, you are free to put them back. Just please inform me so that I know what to improve on. This is just a courtesy message. I will also be leaving a note to the relevant articles. Best regards. Tamsier (talk) 21:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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