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Standard Cyclist Biography

Hi Drunt, I noticed that you changed the palmares of Patrice Halgand & Mikhail Ignatiev. In your summary, you refer to the Standard Cyclist Biography page, but that page clearly says
...Sometimes the list is sorted by race, sometimes by year, chronologically or anti-chronologically. As far as I saw, (but it is NO rule), mostly retired cyclists have a chronologically victory-list, while active riders have an anti-chronologically victory-list. I see no good reason to prefer either one, so choose for yourself. Don't just change the order because you don't like it... Mango101 16:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

• The last sentence says "Don't just change the order because you don't like it" and that's what you did(if I didn't missunderstand the edits). But if you prefer it your way there is no problem with me. User:Pie.er and User:Severo were working on a couple of articles to have something like a template for cycling riders... but I think they are no longer working on it. The riders are Michele Bartoli and Francesco Casagrande. I'm not an expert on that matter so... it's just that I had Ignatiev on watchpage and I saw you were editing some articles. I have no problem with new articles or those without 'palmarès'. Sorry anywayDrunt 16:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

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Cleanup edits

Hi, thanks for your recent additions to the number of articles about cycling races. I have a lot of them on a looong list to do, so was amazed when I saw that you had started to so many! Linking in infoboxes is contentious, WP:MOSLINKS and WP:IBX are the guidelines on this. MOSLINKS suggests that you should only link at the point that people would want to take the temporary detour, which I believe is not at the infobox as that misses the point of the infobox - speedy retrieval of facts. As such it is written into the style guidelines of the particular template (at Template:Infobox Cycling race). It's not that I'm totally against linking in infoboxes, more I think one of the reasons for infoboxes is standardisation, so either they should all be linked or none of them... I tagged a few articles with {{MOSLOW}} because yes, as you say, they are organised 2007....1952 rather than 1952...2007. We used to have a problem with cycling articles in that all these used to be all over the place, but thanks to work (particularly by Pie.er) most are now correct and standardised. The organising of the biography you mention looks fine. I'll come back to your last point a bit later - I have to go out for a ride with my sister now and if I don't get a move on I'll be late! Regards, Severo^TC 10:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, thanks for the input. I've already fixed some mistakes I made in some articles. I will also join 'cycling project'. I still have some more articles to create (hopefully soon we will have almost all 1.1 races edited). I hope I could add more images to the articles but it's hard to find images without coypright. Sometimes I've also had problems regarding the names of races... but I usually use the common name (used in media). Thanks for all!--User:Drunt 12:40, 10 August 2007

Nice one! Thanks for your work so far, all looks great! I know what you mean about images, sometimes it is possible to find image on flickr, but when someone comes to review them, the photographer has changed the permissions and you can't use them! Race names can be a bit arbitrary, there has been discussion at WikiProject Cycling before and there isn't a strong consensus. Thinking about the race classification, I'm not sure whether we should add a field in the infobox, or just annotate the difficulty after the competition (for example UCI Europe Tour 2.1) or in the type field (Stage race 2.1). Because it's a bit of technical jargon, we need to be wary that people who aren't really into cycling will just see it as a random number, but I agree that is is a useful addition to the box. Come to think of it, I do have an idea of what we could do. We could create a difficulty field, but only display it after one of the fields I just mentioned. In doing this, we could easily change the field or even put it in its own line in some point in the future if we wished without changing loads (possible hundreds) of infoboxes (if you see what I mean). Severo^TC 14:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, I was also thinking of another infobox you could perhaps help me on. Articles for specific races (usually named something like 2007 Tour of Antarctica) don't have an appropriate infobox yet. I was thinking one would be useful to indicate date, length and winners. Would you add any other fields? Thanks, Severo^TC 15:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by 'but only display it after one of the fields I just mentioned'? Anyone it sounds fine. Regarding infoboxes... I haven't experience editing that kind of articles so I don't know right now... date is a must. So is winners. Maybe director, an image for the edition? It's complicated because not every race has the same jerseys(for example, Vuelta a España has no 'young competition'). Maybe there should be a template for the classics/one-day-races and another one for Tours(2 or more days)? I don't really know, you probably have more experience! But I think that maybe length is not that important in multi-stage races... but very interesting for clasicsDrunt 18:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

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GP de Fourmies

Holy smokes! Nice job on the GP Fourmies!! You really did wonders with it. Much obliged. Peace, --Dylanfly 15:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

When you have edited some cycling race articles... it's pretty easy to change the article to the proper style :) --Drunt 21:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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Before the UCI

I always find the time before the UCI really confusing when it comes to the world championships. This page called 1927-1995 as professional and 1996 on as elite. The only results I get back when I google for amateur world cycling championship is anecdotal results, mostly about Merckx or Ullrich or random people having placed 24th or whatever in a particular edition. The UCI annoy me in that they make nothing of their rich history... Severo^TC 20:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

The UCI website is just a big mess and it's really slow. And their contributions to cycling in the last few years have just been quiet stupid. The best website to look for that kind of data is memoire-du-cyclisme.net (french). Here you may find some useful information about world championships url. Although it's a bit confusing... I think it's all the data there. I hope it helps :).Drunt 20:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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Nino Defilippis

Better check this: it has someone else's bio information as well as Defilippis'.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 19:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting! Copy-pasting has this kind of problems. I will be more careful. Drunt (talk) 20:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

changing

I'm not planning on changing anything, but sometimes when I see an incomplete list I will expand it, that's all. Iameddie (talk) 09:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, you are adding all U-23 category races, so I'm sure you could expand all lists to infinitum. By the way, what's your source? I don't know any website with all that u-23 information.--Drunt (talk) 09:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not aware of doing anything wrong, and if I do please tell me what exactly is wrong. Is it wrong to have some u-23 information there? I'm pretty new here, so I might do something wrong. Anyways, my source is The cycling website Iameddie (talk) 10:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It's great to have all those U-23 results but the problem is that you always change the style of the palmares when you expand it. Anyway, this whole changing thing was to point out that you could try to follow Template:Palmares start (the part about how to display years. The way you display results is ok).--Drunt (talk) 11:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

And you could use wikilinks. They are great to move between articles. Regards.--Drunt (talk) 11:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, I checked and I see what you mean, but I wonder in your system, how do you show it when a rider has a 2nd place in a race? What I do now is the following. I add results from single day races when they are 1, 2 or 3 and in multiple stage races I only add them when they are 1 in a stage and when they are 1, 2 or 3 in the final general ranking. From what I see you only add the 1st places in your system, but I think in single day races and in general rankings pos 2 and 3 are also important. Iameddie (talk) 16:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

To tell the truth I don't know exactly which data should be added, there is no guideline right now. But usually it depends on the rider. As I said I was only concerned about the style to display results. But I think that third place in a U23 event is just too much data (unless we are talking about the important events like Avenir, Tell or Montañes). Regards.--Drunt (talk) 18:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, well the main reason for the different lay-out was that it saved quite some time to do it like that, but if it's better to do it the other way I guess I have no choice of changing it in the future. Maybe it's a good idea to do it in the current style when an article already exists, but for a new rider my lay-out can be used, which later can be changed? Anyways, I'm glad you praise the time I invested in this, because at first when I saw your message I thought you were kind of whining at me while I took the time to add more information. But now I see you did it with the best intentions for the website, which is good ! Iameddie (talk) 01:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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Sorry. I forgot to add the reason. That team disappeared some months ago and it's an Orphaned template right now.--Drunt (talk) 22:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

That's not reason for speedy deletion, but I have taken it to Templates for Deletion, where you can suggest to delete it (as I have done). Severo^TC 22:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I was looking for a template that automatically deletes the article/template after a week if nobody changes it (like the one you used for 2006 Giro del Piemonte).--Drunt (talk) 22:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

That's a {{prod}} template, but when I tried to put it on the {{REG}} template it came up in big words saying it wasn't allowed to be used on templates, a bit silly really as deletion is a mere formality as there's a clear precedent for not keeping nav templates for defunct teams... Severo^TC 23:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Ivan Basso

That was my bad, I was really in a rush and was on the wrong person's page. Yes, I did read that he has signed with Liquigas and he will ride with them next year in the Tour De France. Quite the team they have going... Kreuziger and Nibali, woah. Manchester.united69 (talk) 14:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Paris-Roubaix

Hi. Thanks for the kind words. I've added a section on Les Amis, as you suggested. I find photographs so infuriating to upload that I have more or less stopped bothering. I have better things to do than fight my way through ever more obscure instructions and warnings! Others manage OK, so it's obviously me. Shame because there are doubtless copyright-free old pics about, as you say. I have some here, in fact. happy days 07:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Whither Mr Drunt

Where do you come from, with such excellent English? Les woodland (talk) 15:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)les woodland

I'm actually from Spain and I'm trying to improve my english while I contribute to the Wikipedia. I usually spend my time on the Wikipedia updating the biographies of the current cycling stars. By the way, I'm very impressed by the last additions to the Paris-Roubaix article by both you and [User:Autodidactyl]] (not to mention all those other cycling articles you have improved). It's pretty amazing to have a real cycling historian contributing to the Wikipedia, great job!

P.S: I hope you don't mind me asking a question about cycling, but I've always wondered where the term 'Monument' of cycling comes from and maybe you know the answer. Who decided that this five races were the 'cream of the crop'? And who started calling them the 'monuments of cycling'? Was it because they were the oldest? And is there any consensus of which races can be considered the Classic cycle races or even 'semi-classics'? Any one-day cyling race? Regards.--Drunt (talk) 20:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello Mr Dr.Unt, Your English is better than you think, I knew almost nothing of cycling on wiki until I encountered a plaintive little hook written by you, to wit ... "I have started a list of doping cases in cycling...". I picked it up like a lost puppy, temporarily abandoned history, geology and science subjects, wasted countless hours of my life, and automatically ended up with dozens of cyclists on my watch-list. Ergo I tripped over Les Woodland, recognised that he is the 'real deal', and have stalked him ever since. It is a great way to learn about cycling history for somebody like me who knows absolutely nothing. So it's all your fault, ... and my wife rates you in the the same bracket as heroin. Regards. Autodidactyl (talk) 14:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Even if your wife might disagree, I'm sure that a lot of people enjoy your contributions! (e.g. over 100 people read the Paris-Roubaix article daily). When I started the List of doping cases in cycling I didn't really had have an idea of how long could that article could become (the article currently has over 300 references!). Fortunately you started contributing and organizing the information (alphabetically and chronologically rather than just chronologically). It was also sad to see that doping has been so widespread during the last century. Regards.--Drunt (talk) 18:04, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Just helping you with your English:) Autodidactyl (talk) 21:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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Buenos dias, amigo

Hi... I don't live that far from Spain myself. On a clear day I can see the Pyrenees and therefore the border.

I'm sorry, by the way, that I didn't reply earlier. I hadn't even noticed that you'd answered, being an ancient and confused old man easily baffled by technology. It was Peter (Autodidactyl) who told me! How come you speak such excellent English when my Spanish stays stubbornly in the present tense and is limited to asking directions, booking hotel rooms and buying beer?

"Monuments of cycling": so far as I know, with no evidence, it is a phrase that happened to be used in the last few years by journalists here in France, just a colourful expression. It means no more than "races that have been around a long time and form the permanent parts of the calendar." It's certainly not an official designation and I'm always tempted to remove it when I see it, because it adds nothing beyond the obvious. My guess is that it was picked up by American publications or on American TV and has become invested with a certain "insider" quality there. I notice I see it more on articles in which English is spelled the American way. It is much less used by British speakers and, curiously given it is of French origin, it is rare to hear it here as well.

Donde estas in Espagne?

happy days, les Les woodland (talk) 17:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)les woodland

Then you're on the Mediterranean coast and I'm further towards the Atlantic, about halfway between Bordeaux and Toulouse. My e-mail if you ever need it: lanternerouge (at) ifrance (dot) com. It'd be good to keep in touch beyond writing through Wikipedia. happy days, les Les woodland (talk) 04:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)les woodland

Le Vélocipède Illustré

Hello Drunt,

Can you help me please. I see from various talk pages that you are Spanish and interested in cycling. I need a few Spanish paragraphs about the history of French cycling to be understood accurately. I have already done a rough translation (Google), but the subject itself is 'confusion, wrong naming, and different transient publications fighting over the same name', so it needs a perfect understanding of the Spanish.

The article is Le Vélocipède Illustré. Please can you check reference 8 Universidad Complutense de Madrid, History of Cycling. Departamento de Filología Francesa, La Lengua del Ciclismo en Fraces : Analisis Semantico y Lexicologico 1.2. EL CICLISMO Y LA PRENSA p.20-21, and see if my interpretation of Foix, Voiron, Le Vélocipède Le Petit Vélocipède, 3 months, etc is accurate.

Thank you. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 14:20, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

PS. Both Drunt and Le Vélocipède Illustré created Paris-Rouen.

Hello Chienlit, I still remember that Paris-Rouen was one of the first articles I created for wikipedia . Anyway, I'm not that good when it comes to translations but I think I can give you a hand. Your translations (referenced) with some changes:

In October 1868 Le Vélocipède was published in Foix Ariège, although the title was misleading as it was not related to velocipedes, but an excuse to obtain an Imperial publication license.<-- I changed some words. I don't understand why they used the name Velocipède and why that granted them an imperial publication license but I guess that doesn't matter.

On March 1st 1869 another independent newspaper called Le Vélocipède was published in Voiron, near Grenoble. It also promoted itself as the "Humourous journal and gazette of sportsmen and cyclists (vélocemen)." <-- Looks fine. I don't speak French, though. It says it was bimensual

when the impact of the Franco-Prussian War depressed sales at the end of the cycling boom. <-- Looks fine, but I couldn't find any mention about depressed sales. Maybe that is from the other reference of that sentence?

I'm not sure if you wanted me to check these references or translate something more. I'll later see if I can add some more information from that pdf to wikipedia.

Regards.Drunt (talk) 19:43, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks. I did not expect such a prompt response. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 20:50, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

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Don't worry, I looked at the "edit summary" and it sounded a bit strange! Also let me use this opportunity to show my appreciation to all the contributions you've done to cycling articles!Drunt (talk) 18:45, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Engaña Tunnel

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thankyou for you efforts with Engaña Tunnel! Keep up the good work! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Croscat

It looks fine; my one area of complaint is that you should use {{convert}} for the numerical values. ResMar 02:07, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Croscat

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