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I've been trying to upload a picture to an article and I get this message:

I'm not sure what to do. Thanks.

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I just created a new page and need to edit the title---forgot to capitalize one of the words. How do I do that?

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Dr. Grampinator (talk) 21:09, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have checked both of the pages I can see you have created and cannot see that either article has any incorrect capitalisation in it. Can you confirm where the error lies. Amortias (T)(C) 21:25, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you meant the Capitulary of Servais which had a lower-case "S". I fixed that. See Help:Moving a page on how to rename pages. Huon (talk) 22:01, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I just created a page Albert I, Count of Chiny that should have been titled Arnold I, Count of Chiny. Too much caffeine I guess.

Dr. Grampinator (talk) 15:37, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You mean this page? H.dryad (talk) 17:39, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Ways to improve Louis IV of Chiny

Hi, I'm Thursby16. Dr. Grampinator, thanks for creating Louis IV of Chiny!

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I just finished creating an article "Counts of Chiny" and have added the biographical information. There are a number of things that should be updated to more accurately reflect this information, including:

Under the page “Battle of Worringen” the list of commanders (sidebar on the right) shows Arnold V, which directs to “County of Loon”. It should direct to “Arnold V, Count of Looz”.

Under the page, “Eberhard II, Count of the Mark”, his second wife Mary is listed as a daughter of Arnold V of Loon. This should direct to “Arnold V, Count of Looz”.

Alfred I, Count of Chiny directs to “Arnold I, Count of Chiny”, but it should go to “Alfred, Count of Chiny”.

“Louis IV of Chiny” should be changed to “Louis IV, Count of Chiny”. Also, there were some comments from a reviewer and I made the corrections, but the comments are still there.

I don't know how to make these changes on my own, but I guess that's why you guys are here!

Thanks

Dr. Grampinator (talk) 20:59, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have dealt with most of those issues. Help:Link explains the links; Help:Moving a page explains how to change the title of an article. Regarding the remaining maintenance tag at Louis IV, Count of Chiny, Thursby16 may want to check whether in their opinion it's still needed. Huon (talk) 00:29, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Hilduin II, Count of Arcis-sur-Aube

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The only option I seem to have is "Edit Source". I used to be able to just "Edit" but over the last couple of days, that button does not appear. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 16:53, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There have been changes in how the editing options are presented. Click "Preferences" at the top of the screen, and on the "Editing" tab, towards the bottom, you wil see a drop-down menu labelled "Editing mode". That lets you choose whether you are shown by default always the "Edit source" tab for the Wikitext editor, always the "Edit" tab for the Visual editor, the tab for the last editor you used, or both "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs. JohnCD (talk) 18:21, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More detailed explanation here. JohnCD (talk) 19:01, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Loon/Looz

Hi. Probably a few things to talk about as we seem to share an interest, but here is one recent edit I would like to ask about. Does this not put too much emphasis on one single person in those two families, and one single theory about how they connect to Loon?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 06:11, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Got your message! I would not call myself "the author" (dangerous concept on Wikipedia!) but I have sometimes worked on this. Not really happy with the article because it could be better, and I always tend to work on little bits of it. Anyway, you intentions sound perfect, but not really sure why an example of those two families is needed in that place. (Why not pick another one for example?) It is a bit of a side issue for that particular article? Maybe the sentence could be removed, but on the other hand what Wikipedia maybe needs is two good articles about those families. Then we could link to those so that the readers could follow it up?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 14:27, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of William Robidoux

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I wanted to let you know that I just tagged William Robidoux for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Gab4gab (talk) 17:15, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again Dr. Grampinator, You left me a long note on my user page instead of my talk page. I have read it. I'll be deleting it to clean up my user page. Feel free to drop it on my talk page it you'd like. I certainly understand that all of the 'rules' can be confusing. It takes time to absorb the basics and then more time to appreciate how various policies and guidelines relate. A good place to start regarding content policy is Policies and guidelines. I think you'll find it less frustrating to get a better understanding of the content policies. You also might find it helpful to visit The Teahouse which SwisterTwister mentioned back on 19 March. Gab4gab (talk) 17:56, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

William Robidoux

I have deleted this. Responding to your talk page contest: If individuals have no claim of importance apart from being part of a famous family then their articles get deleted. Perhaps you could write an article on the whole family instead. However Wikipedia is not a place to have a giant family tree with no descriptive text to show any importance. Other alternatives maybe to have a diagram that illustrates the descendents on commons. Let me know if you need a copy of the text I deleted. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:44, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm trying to edit the article "House of Chateaudun" by adding links to the biographies of the people shown in the family tree. How do I do that? Thanks.

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Dr. Grampinator (talk) 17:01, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. To add a link, you just need to click on the link button at the top of the editor (it looks like a chain) after selecting the text you wish to link. You can find more information about how to create hyperlinks in the tutorial here. Hope that helps. If you need any further help, please do let me know. LoudLizard (📞 | contribs | ✉) 17:15, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Manuel Robidoux for deletion

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Hi again. I notice you do not add much sourcing information, apart from MEDLANDS. (Especially on some of the many small new articles you are making, there seems to be almost no sourcing.) You might not realize that on Wikipedia there have been a lot of complaints about editors over-using this. For example you can search the noticeboard at WP:RSN. I do look at it myself and have corresponded with Charles Cawley sometimes myself. What you need to keep in mind is that this is mainly a one-man project, and constantly being changed. In some of the difficult pedigrees he is virtually just playing with ideas, trying to fit together things. So, a good idea is to look at the sources he cites, and try to check and cite those also. Ideally though, you should also try to look around the internet for any other sources that might have worked on the same families. This can be important because I think one of Charles' aims is actually to start from primary sources, and not be too influenced by well-known secondary sources. And that aim does not make his project ideal as a WP source, where we actually make it our aim just to summarize whatever the most well-known secondary sources say.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 08:18, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I have done an article Raganar_(Frankish_count) where I messed up on the references and don't know how to fix it. I'm sure its an easy fix for a Wikipedia Maestro, but that leaves me out.

Dr. Grampinator (talk) 19:01, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't included the title of the work in the citation. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 19:32, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rotideypoc41352 fixed the issue. Using "Ibid." is not a good idea on Wikipedia because someone else might add additional content with additional references between the original reference and the "Ibid.", thereby unwittingly changing what it refers to. Huon (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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You've created several new articles that used French Wikipedia as a source. Wikipedia is not reliable and cannot be used as a reference. You also used interwiki links slightly wrong. I answered a question about this on my talk page today, so it's on my four brain cells (that's all the brain I have left). See User talk:Bgwhite#Translations vs. foreign language articles. Bgwhite (talk) 05:52, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ways to improve Gozelo I, Count of Montaigu

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Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for creating Abu’lgharib Artsuni! I edit here too, under the username Boleyn and it's nice to meet you:-)

I wanted to let you know that I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:-

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Bagrat Pakrad moved to draftspace

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English, not French, please!

Dr. G., you've done a tremendous job in adding articles about medieval topics on English Wikipedia, but please, do some research before just using the French names and terms! "Big" languages like French, German, English used to have this habit of translating names, nowadays it isn't politically correct anymore; in any case, Charlemagne is Karl der Große to the Germans and might be Charles the Great to the English-speakers, and so on. For instance, Cave de Suète is known in English literature by its medieval French name, Cave de Sueth, a whole bunch of Thierrys are known as Theoderic or Dietrich, and so forth. Google might be all you need to figure out the correct English name. Thanks, and keep up the good work! Arminden (talk) 11:10, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Historiography of the Crusades

Just a polite thank you for your comments on the ACR of this one. Tbh I took a moribund article, updated it and wondered how far it would go in that state. The answer is clearly to GAR but not much further without serious work. I don't have the time, energy or inclination to give due attention to your valid comments (sorry fot that) so will be stepping back from this article. Someone, sometime maybe will pick this up again. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 15:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The article Guy II, Count of Soissons has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This man is not notable enough to warrant a separate article, as his biography can be summed up in a sentence in his father's biographical article. He either died just before or just after his father and the title passed to the sister of the subject of this biography. I suggest this page becomes a redirect to the father's biography Renaud I, Count of Soissons

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Template:cite web

Please use the parameters as specified in WP:CS1 (or Template:Cite_web/doc. For example you recently made this edit Revision as of 17:02, 16 July 2020 I have altered it Revision as of 17:09, 16 July 2020, to separate out the values into separate parameters.

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You must have noticed that I have been re-formatting templated inline citations in List of sources for the Crusades so that data is placed into the appropriate fields eg the edit Revision as of 23:31, 19 July 2020 . Why are you adding templated inline citations to List of sources for the Crusades without passing data in to template using the appropriate parameters?

For example in the edit (Revision as of 01:44, 20 July 2020 ) you added:

 {{Cite web|last=Embree, Dan and [Rvsd. EDK], in Med Chron, 2016

instead of formatting it as:

 {{Cite web|last=Embree |first=Dan |author2=EDK (Rvsd.) EDK] |website=Med Chron |date=2016

In fact for "Med Chron" ("Encyclopedia of the Medieval Chronicle") it would be better to use the citation template {{Cite encyclopaedia}} so the {para|website}} can be replaced with the more descriptive |encyclopedia=.

   {{Cite encyclopedia|last=Embree |first=Dan |author2=EDK (Rvsd.) EDK] |encyclopedia=Encyclopedia of the Medieval Chronicle |date=2016

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Ways to improve List of Crusades to Europe and the Holy Land

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Thank you for creating List of Crusades to Europe and the Holy Land.

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

While I think the list is an interesting and important organisation of the information available on the Crusades, the lead needs to give more context and shouldn't contain a list of sources - these should be used as citations where the links aren't good enough or present, or where the source proves an assertion that is not directly borne out by the link. It's quite a big job still and I wonder if it wouldn't be better undertaken as a draft for now, out of the choppy waters of mainspace?

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Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:33, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya. It's an important and fascinating list, but FWIW I still think it is a huge project in itself and you may be better off considering developing it in draftspace, 'cos there's still a lot to do. The quotes you've used in the lead should really be contributions to the main Crusades article - a lead should be no more than four paras, which establish the topic, reasons for its notability and summarise the main points of the page - take a wade through Wikipedia:Manual of Style and particularly Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section and perhaps even Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout if you're feeling robust. The section headers and sub-headers could perhaps use a little consideration (again, WP:MOS is useful if you can fight your way through a million items of stylistic restriction) - and some illustrations might be neat. There are way more references in there now, which is great, but you can never have enough of 'em. It might just be worth asking on the Crusades talk page - or perhaps one of the many projects with an interest in this area (WikiProject Middle Ages / Crusades, for a start!) for help/contributions. I know a new article is a cherished thing, but as I said, it's quite a big job and important - it deserves more eyeballs and other people helping you with the spade work. You've established the thing, there is no shame in getting some help to take it and buff it to GA standard! I do hope this is helpful! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 03:46, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you

Thank you for understanding my concerns. I agree that the "The Pilgrims of Christ before the Crusade" are closely related to the crusades, but I think they should be listed in a separate article. I highly appreciate your work on the sources of the crusades. I think hundreds of thousands of people who are interested in this subject will be grateful to you for your lists. What is sure, I am one of them. Borsoka (talk) 18:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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First Crusade

Hi Dr G, looks like you have been doing good work on this. I was just wondering what your ambition for the article was? Have a good day. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 08:02, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Liking the edits so far Dr G - looking forward to seeing the shape of the article when you get to the end. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 13:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, not so sure now where you are heading with Crusades? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 08:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Norfolkbigfish: I'm going to continue working on the First through Third Crusades, making them barebones as everyone seems to want. I sort of wanted the article to reflect an outline comparable to Setton, et. al., but the consensus seems to be more like a World Book article. I have left the Fourth through Ninth Crusades as is, glaring errors throughout. No one has noticed for years so I doubt they will now. I totally eliminated my historiography write-up as totally out-of-scope. The main Historiography of the Crusades will have to stand, with its bizarre references to Eisenhower and Bush (but not Walter Scott as a historian). I'm sure the usual complaints will continue, likely the ones about citations resurfacing. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 19:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shame, I was liking your work Norfolkbigfish (talk) 07:10, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Norfolkbigfish: I'm guessing you were the only one. I am puzzled at the constant battle fought about articles being too long (e.g., List of Later Historians of the Crusades). But, I've done it before and I'm sure I'll do it again, as I can't help myself. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 17:44, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Same here, WP can be a pedants paradise sometimes. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 07:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Norfolkbigfish: Well, I keep telling myself it's not the end of the world. I've had some good rewrite successes (Order of Assassins, List of Sources, First Crusade) and dismal failures (Crusades, Historiography of the Crusades), and yet we persevere. I'm taking a cut at the Fifth Crusade. So far, so good. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 18:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I just happened to be reading this and noticed it was quite clear AND in English. [1] --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 18:56, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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West Side Story

A) The fact that the Jets were trying to rape Anita was fairly common knowledge, as can be evidenced by comparative reviews of the 1961 vs 2021 films. Also, the fact that the attempted act was rape is made EXPLICIT in the 2021 film as Valentina literally refers to the Jets as “[attempted] rapists”

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Video of Gesta Francorum

Hi there, I've suggested this might go into the Historiography section of the Crusades page. I'm keen to find it a home on a relatively high traffic page if possible, as it seems useful (a primary source, read in the original, and subtitled in English) and should be of interest to readers. I can see why you removed it from the general narrative of the First Crusades, of course. However if there is a good way to give it decent placement I would be very grateful, not least to encourage the video maker to contribute more of his works to Wikipedia. Elsewhere I've found that videos are very popular content on Wikipedia pages, if that is helpful to know as well. --Jim Killock (talk) 11:40, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did relook at this as I originally thought it should go in the article Siege of Antioch. I've added it back to First Crusade but in the historiography section that discusses Gesta. We'll see if any one else comments. I think it may be too detailed for the general Crusades article. Thanks for pointing this out. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 16:57, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Article size

Hi there. The original change to the archiving period was not by me, it was originally 180 days and was moved in this edit on 26 June to 720 days. I moved it to 300 days here but that was reverted, so I reverted the 26 June change, not the revert of my edit. Could you please self-revert your revert to restore the status quo? Thanks. Onetwothreeip (talk) 22:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lord Edwards crusade

Hello Dr._Grampinator, Can you please explain why outremer is the correct word for this paragraph as it's a french word? Avi8tor (talk) 16:45, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Avi8tor. Outremer is the term traditionally used by Crusade historians in this context. I actually prefer to use the term "Crusader States" but other like "Outremer." Here is the first part of the "Outremer" entry in The Crusades - An Encyclopedia:

Outremer is a name used in medieval sources and in modern scholarship as a collective term for the four Frankish states established in Syria and Palestine by the First Crusade (1096-1099): the county of Edessa (1097-1150), the principality of Antioch (1098-1287), the kingdom of Jerusalem (1099-1291), and the county of Tripoli (1102-1289). The kingdom of Jerusalem extended over the southern parts of Outremer, in the area historically known as Palestine (mod. Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip, and adjacent regions); the other three states were situated in the north, in areas known historically as Syria and Upper Mesopotamia (roughly mod. Syria, southeastern Turkey, and Lebanon). During its relatively short existence, the county of Edessa extended much further to the east than the other Frankish states, well beyond the river Euphrates.

The word Outremer derives from the Old French expression Ou(l)tremer, meaning literally “[the land] beyond the sea,” that is, the lands on the far side of the Mediterranean Sea, seen from the perspective of Western Christians. Similar formulations are found in other languages: Spanish Ultramar, Italian Oltremare, and Middle High German daz lant über mer. An alternative name for the four Frankish principalities in modern historical writing is the “Crusader States.” Although common, this term is less accurate, since after around 1130 extremely few of their Frankish inhabitants were actually crusaders, in the sense of people who had taken a vow to go on crusade. In the Middle Ages the Frankish states were also often collectively known as Syria (Lat. Syria, Fr. Syrie).

Hope this helps. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 17:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outremer is also the modern french word for "overseas" (in English). Referring to the French territories outside France, https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_d%27outre-mer, basically the same thing as you mention, my sense is that people who don't speak french will not understand the word, so perhaps you could include the English translation. Avi8tor (talk) 19:28, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Avi8tor. Like I said, this is the term that historians use. The explanation as to its meaning in English is given in the terminology section of the article Crusades. Also, Crusader states, my preferred term, has a detailed discussion. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 20:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, I think you're missing the point, English Wikipedia is a knowledge base read worldwide by people who might or might not know anything of the subject discussed, it's not owned by historians and it's not for historians, it's for everyone. People who read an article should be able to know immediately what something means by clicking thru to the meaning or have it listed in brackets (the simple solution). I read this article and assumed it had been translated from French and this word had been missed in the translation, hence my correction. I hope you'll include (overseas) in the text. Avi8tor (talk) 05:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Avi8tor. Suggest you add a Wikilink to Outremer in articles where you think appropriate. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 19:37, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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{{Admin help}} I posted a new article Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri (Advocate of the Holy Sepulchre)‎ on Wikipedia yesterday. It was immediately flagged for deletion. I contested it and contacted the reviewer Velella. It has now been removed by Justlettersandnumbers. What is going on? Dr. Grampinator (talk) 20:33, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I posted a new article Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri (Advocate of the Holy Sepulchre)‎ on Wikipedia yesterday. It was immediately flagged for deletion. I contested it and contacted the reviewer Velella. It has now been removed by Justlettersandnumbers. What is going on? Dr. Grampinator (talk) 20:33, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

There is no need for this adminhelp. This is already at WP:ANI.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:15, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for the thorough writing work that you have done at this article. I see you've integrated the article as a {{main}} article of the appropriate section of Crusades, but I note that similar treatment is missing from Kingdom of Jerusalem. My familiarity with the subject matter is minimal enough that I think this is best left to you and other editors of the topic to synchronize the articles.

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@Rosguill: Thanks for you quick response. I've added to Kingdom of Jerusalem as you suggested. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 18:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I have no idea how that got there and it does not appear that it was visible in the Edit mode. But, thanks for getting rid of it. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 20:19, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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nice work

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Thanks. I'm never sure if anyone reads these things. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 04:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Abbey of Saint Mary of the Valley of Jehosaphat

Hi Dr. G. You have created an article on the Abbey of Saint Mary of the Valley of Jehosaphat in 2016. I believe it's not linked from any relevant articles, and that's probably why I only discovered it now, and by total chance. That's 7 years too late, incl. the Covid years.

I guess you have Pringle's Curches; I don't, and Google Books offers very ltd access, not including this as far as I can tell (you didn't offer any direct links). Your article has no inline citations. These 2 facts taken together mean that it's close to impossible to read up, check, or add anything to your article by using what is probably the most useful source for Wiki editors.

It's a major site, your work would be greatly welcome, but unfortunately it's hardly having any impact or usefullness right now, which is a huge shame.

Could you please help out with inline citations, direct links, and quotes where Google Books isn't helpful? It would help tremendously! I'm starting to link it now from other articles.

PS: Pringle uses sh, so Jehoshaphat, not Jehosaphat.

PPS: There is nothing useful in this or the (miserable) Tomb of Mary art. about the history of the Crusader buildings: what did they inherit from before? What did they build? Was there, or did they actually build an upper church, or did they make do with cutting a stepped passage to the Byzantine crypt, adding just a small facade in front of the first step? What did Saladin remove from the church itself, what not, and did he repurpose it, or keep it open for prayer for both Muslims and Christians? What happened in 1187 and after to the Crusader structures apart from the church? What about the grotto?

PPPS: I see I was wrong, there areseveral articles linking to it. I'll add where I can. Strange how I didn't become aware of it.

Thank you, Arminden (talk) 16:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input. That was one of the first articles I wrote and it shows. I've updated it with references, citations and further reading, but don't have the time now to fix further. Go for it if you can. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 17:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Archiving references

Oi.

Yes, the citations are perfectly good, but will they still be perfectly good tomorrow? What about the next year? What about in 2035?

This is why every single Wiki page must have its references properly archived and stored. You have been around since 2016, so you should already know that, but everyone makes mistakes. Please re-add the archives on List of sources for the Crusades and List of early modern works on the Crusades as soon as possible. Thanks for your time.

Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 21:20, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Barr Theo. I understand where you're coming from now, but it was quite a shock to see these articles so dramatically increase in size. First issue: articles like these are under constant pressure to cut back in size. I've spent a lot of time trying to condense them as there are some Wikipedians who will simply split an article they think is too long. Second issue: how can you possibly convert all citations on all articles to archived versions? There have to be millions if not billions of them. On one of these, you converted 132 out of 549 citations. Why not the rest? Third issue: If you're using a bot (which I'm guessing you are), they are not flawless and, in the past, I've had to check each change for correctness on the articles that I have created. Fourth issue: How can we be sure the archived version is the current one. Encyclopedia Iranica articles are frequently updated as are the unedited pages of the Catholic Encyclopedia. I'm just not seeing the value-added as Wikipedia articles are constantly updated with new information and citations. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 22:47, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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In creating this article, I consulted numerous other bibliographies on Wikipedia. For example, Bibliography of World War I has no sources. It would be very difficult to cite every entry. I suppose I can give it a try, but I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Basically, the General Works section includes the major works that also have bibliographies. The two articles listed under External Links could also be citations. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Gerry. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 18:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for creating this page, it's an excellent tool! I took the freedom to make a few minor technical changes.

I hope you don't mind a suggestion, namely that you make sure it's linked from each article it links to and more (categories, historical periods, kingdoms & empires, Churches, bishops & popes, various other people, wars, books, authors), everything related that has an own enWiki page. I'd also add many more items to the "See also" list. This way you make sure people take notice of it and consult it, otherwise it risks remaining a "forgotten island" to users & editors, and that would really be a pity.

Thanks again, and happy Christmas! Arminden (talk) 22:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Long time no hear. Hope all is well. I've been working on later crusades and chronicles and wished there was a common list of reliable secondary sources. And I think it looks pretty good. Once its gone through some review, I'll start proliferating it. Merry Christmas. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 23:03, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Setton 1976d

Hi Dr. Grampinator. In you new article Chronology of the Crusades after 1400 you have references for "Setting 1976d" but no matching cite. You have 1976a/b/c for "The Papacy and the Levant, 1204–1571" volumes II to IV, all of which are linked to other references. Are the references for 1976a/b/c/d meant to be for volumes I/II/III/IV respectively? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 18:25, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing that "Setton 1976d" should be "Setton 1976c". Let me check. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 18:54, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Dr. Grampinator. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 19:18, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pipera (talk) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert,_Count_of_Hesbaye https://sites.rootsweb.com/~medieval/addcharlENG.pdf is your primary source on page 5 the pedigree chart the entry for Landrade there are ------ this means no conclusive evidence also for Rotrude the same thing ...... with ? provided this mean uncertain parentage. I also would like to remind everyone here to become familiar on how to read pedigree charts. () means conjecture. Broken lines meand a connection and yet to establish the fact. Do I need permission to edit this article to meet what is writen on page 4 C. SETTIPANI, L'ascendance carolingienne : A propos d'ouvrages récents , to appear (1990). The chief author of this work.

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