Talk:Universe People

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Parody?

Is this a parody religion, a Wikipedia hoax, or does this group really exist? The amount of entertainment value of this article made me somewhat suspicious. Andries 22:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This small group is really exist, it is not parody (from their point of view). See cs:diskuse:Vesmírní lidé#Does this group really exist --Postrach 23:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's neither parody nor Wikipedia hoax, in Prague you can e.g. get tehir leaflets from permanent stand in city market hall, sometimes posters inviting to lecture of Benda can be seen,.... You can also easily get their very real spam.
There is also some academic reference on them, e.g. from Zdeněk Vojtíšek from Czech Society for study of cults and new religions

The entertainment value is inherent to the group, but they take it seriously. --Wikimol 23:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed very real. In recent years they recurently try to expand to Slovakia. I keep seeing their posters around Bratislava, and several Benda lectures were held around here. --Anonymous User, 7 December 2006

/*Yoshi Snipo: - this religion really exists, however it is more of a cult than a religion. And yes, Ivan Benda surely is ill minded. I met him and I couldn't have a decent conversation with him. He blatantly ignores almost whatever you say.

There is already a funpage called www.vesmirna-drubez.cz making fun of it.*/

Look at this picture: http://www.universe-people.com/english/img_0000/obr007.jpg A "tender, loving being"? Looks to me like she's having an orgasm in a porno video. This has to be a joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.196.200 (talk) 14:10, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source request

I have been unable to access Saliba, John (November 2006) "The Study of UFO Religions" - could someone please check it out and explain what the source actually says about "Universe People". Obviously there is a big difference in terms of notability if the source says that it is a "UFO religion with 10,000 members" versus "UFO based publicity stunt".—Ash (talk) 10:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed statement

In my opinion, this sentence is not proper for an encyclopedia article: Beside this hard core, the Universe People have managed to become the embodiment of crackpots for Czech public. We should focus on correct presentation of facts, supported with reliable sources. I agree, this group is absolutely crazy, however, I'm trying to avoid unverifiable and uncited claims of this kind in the article. If you can cite your source, I'm willing to discuss it. Thank you. --Vejvančický (talk) 16:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've just re-included part of article written by Malyctenar. I don't insist on including the exact sentence, just IMO it would be good to somehow explain they're best known as lunatics. --Wikimol (talk) 11:41, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

universe-people.com reported as attack site?

I note that this link now shows in my browser as an attack site, presumably due to reported virus problems. Is there a relevant policy that applies on how or if such sites should be included in External links?—Ash (talk) 12:02, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A tricky situation. We have an important and relevant link, which is equally an attack site. I didn't find any hints here or there, and in my opinion their official website should be linked. On the other hand, I think the project is almost dead now, and this website is maybe an abandoned old-school attack page. Vesmírní lidé were popular (mainly as a target of jokes) in the early 2000s, the group is almost forgotten today. However, it was an interesting element of the Czech society and culture in that time. A few online sources were found, but I'm sure it is possible to find out more about them in the printed media. I suggest to delete the link as unhelpful and damaging, and focus on better description of facts. --Vejvančický (talk) 22:40, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting is the google warning started to appear just yesterday. Most usual cause of this is a virus infection of some computer where access passwords are stored - the virus then uploads the malicious content to the site.

AFAIK Benda moved to Slovakia and now Universe People are entertaining mainly Slovak public (see eg this hilarious news - they caused evacuation of part of Slovak Ministry of Defence, firefighters and antichemical unit was summoned,...). Also the reactions seem a bit similar (Vesmirni Lide Party 2008 Bardejov) --Wikimol (talk) 08:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Wikimol, a good help with the mention of Slovakia! This article at the Slovak news portal Dnes.sk speaks about potential danger of their advertisement in the public transportation in Bratislava. I'll add it to the article. --Vejvančický (talk) 08:56, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) I've posted a note on Wikipedia talk:External links to see if there is some general advice that applies on handling possible trojan/virus sites.—Ash (talk) 10:23, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note the recommendation on Wikipedia talk:External links. I've deleted the link. --Vejvančický (talk) 00:18, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TV JOJ reportage

I've tried to translate the content of the first link provided by Wikimol, the para is here:

In the second half of the 2000s, Ivo Benda and his group became more publicly known also in Slovakia. In 2007, the Slovak private television channel TV JOJ informed, that the Universe People sent instructions how to defend against the attacks of evil extraterrestrial entities to the Slovak Ministry of Defence. The envelopes contained also suspicious material, which alarmed Slovak military police and security services. One of the buildings of the Ministry was evacuated. The envelopes contained instructional CDs and promotional materials of the group. Ivo Benda stated in the TV: "If you were attacked by a reptile from an outer world, the Ministry of Defence should defend the people, or not? Or do you consider those reptiles as friends?" The suspicion of security threat was unproven.

In my opinion, it is clear that the publisher is the Slovak TV JOJ (in Slovakia, the TV has an audience share of 26,1% in the prime-time, as of June 2009). However, this link leads to Youtube, and unfortunately I can't find the original reportage in the archive of the TV JOJ. Actually, I don't know the precise date. Is it possible to include my summary into the article? Other users with Czech/Slovak as a native language can verify the correctness of my translation, or help to make it more clear. The information is really crazy, but that's exactly the way how Mr. Benda attempts to attract the attention of mass-media. What do others say? --Vejvančický (talk) 23:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

make page: Personhood of the universe, The role of personhood in the universe (not the same subjects)

Of course some ideas seem wrong to some Wikipedia editors, but that's not a reason not to write the articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:8455:D900:B00F:567B:A21A:F076 (talk) 10:18, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]