Talk:Show dog

Rethink?

There isn't anything in this article that demonstrates how a show dog differs from any other registered purebred dog that may or may not be taken to a dog show. A show dog isn't a type of dog or anything separate from any other dog of a specific breed, and any registered dog can be shown in conformation shows sponsored by its registry. Purebred dog isn't even a separate type of dog either, it is just another way of saying dog from a registered breed. I think what is in this article now is adequately covered in other articles, and that it is misleading to imply that there is a separate special type of dog called show dog.--Hafwyn (talk) 17:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Dogs bred for the show ring are different. These are animals selected for the eugenically inspired concept that something qualitative can be determined about a dog's working ability or fitness for a role based upon appearance. For the vast majority of working applications the Show Dog is eschewed as it has been selected for criteria other than working ability.--98.225.13.106 (talk) 17:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

19th century ideas about eugenics may be what originally made dog breeding for conformation shows popular and resulted in the creation of hundreds of modern breeds out of a few basic types; but at this point those ideas are forgotten, and dog showing of any sort is just a hobby. There is a limited need for actual working dogs; and in general, good working dogs do not make good family pets. People breeding for conformation have as a goal pretty dogs for family pets and for showing in conformation and performance events, such as agility. The fact that so many modern breeds have been divided into two separate (inbred) groups of "working" and "showing" with loss of genetic variety to both groups is a shame, but the working dog breeds are also being selectively bred for specific characteristics, which usually make them less desirable as pets. The only breed that I know of that has a sensible policy about breeding is the Jack Russell Terrier club's ban on inbreeding above a certain measurable coefficient; but any breed that is a modern breed is by definition inbred (related to the same foundation stock.) This does not align today (2008)'s dog fanciers and participants in any kind of dog show with 19th century intellectual fads or with Nazism, as is implied by the linkage to the topic of eugenics. --Hafwyn (talk) 14:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

The suggested linkage looks like wild speculation, eugenics was the application to human populations of ideas developed from animal breeding, which goes way back before the 19th century let alone the eugenics movements of the early 20th century. Offtopic. . . dave souza, talk 18:08, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Rewrite?

I have rearranged some of the information and replaced some vague statements with quotes based on the same footnotes. Added more references and removed the banner requesting more references.

This article should have more information specific to show (space) dogs (why is it written like that? Normally it is written as one word, is there some reason why it is written as two words here?) If there is a reason for a separate article, it should have separate information, not just information from other articles. Perhaps detailing the life or use or whatever it is that makes show (space) dogs different from regular (space) dogs, besides just being purebred (lots of pets and working dogs are purebred.)

Sections that should be added might include these topics--

• selection and raising
• grooming and conditioning
• training and handling
• transporting and traveling to shows
• how they are kept or housed
• the character of dogs that enjoy showing
• what the dogs' lives are like when they are through with their show careers

--Hafwyn (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Serious flaws

Never ever start an article with a negative claim. Show dogs are ____ not, show dogs are not, x, y, z, p, q. Don't lead an article with a criticism section. Why is there a "dog shows" section without the relationship actually stated? Show dog in common parlance refers to the ones that show up at the Westminster whatever its called. Come on people, anyone?--Tznkai (talk) 03:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

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