Talk:Red Ruffing

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Red Ruffing (pictured) became a Baseball Hall of Fame pitcher despite losing four toes in a coal mining accident as a child?

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Second to Bob Lemon?

Please check the List_of_Major_League_Baseball_all-time_leaders_in_home_runs_by_pitchers page and update the comparison to Bob Lemon, as Wes Farrell holds the record for homeruns by a pitcher.--BruceME (talk) 05:43, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I saw a source that said Lemon as opposed to Farrell, but that might've been wrong. I'll look into this today. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:00, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's corrected using this source. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:24, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Taylor Trescott (talk · contribs) 01:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Will give this a look. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 01:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great. FYI I'll be out of town from Dec 23 through Dec 30, with limited ability to edit during that time. If you aren't able to review it before then, I'll respond when I'm back. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:43, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please amend phrasing/list order to make it crystal-clear whether "Cedric Durst" and "a reserve outfielder" were the same thing. --Pitke (talk) 23:30, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Durst was the reserve outfielder, they were not two separate people and I see how that prose was unclear. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:17, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also, to reflect the main article order of summary - full text, the career summary should begin the prof. career section (beneath the 2nd level heading with no separate summary heading), not close it, and it should also summarise the career. Currently it only discusses Ruffing's technique. --Pitke (talk) 23:38, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I found some sentences which end paragraphs that go without citations. They are:

"The 1930 season proved to be Durst's last year in the majors."
"Ruffing eventually turned into an ace, winning 20 games or more four times in a row from 1936 to 1939, and striking out a league high 190 batters in 1932. He regularly contended for the ERA crown, twice posting ERAs under 3.00, and appeared in seven World Series, won six (1932, 1936–1939 and 1941), and posted a 7–2 career post-season record with a 2.63 ERA."
- First one ref'd, second one deleted. It was a bit cruft-y as written and not necessary. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:48, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a more thorough look at the prose later. The above comment by Pitke (talk · contribs) is very relevant too. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:40, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm translating this and mostly, the Prof. Career section feels like an endless list of Ruffing's W-Ls and ERAs. My recommendation would be to find a book or more of those excellent old newspapers to get some analysis on why these numbers happened.

For instance, why was he playing so many games even though he performed so poorly for multiple seasons, sometimes even being at the bottom with his stats? There's no conncetion to the rest of the team or the games and flow of the seasons, from my viewpoint (a complete baseball illiterate) it feels more like science (let's make him pitch in 25 games and see how he does) and less like sports.
Are these WLs and ERAs good or bad? I had no idea before I slogged through a bunch of baseball terminology pages to understand some terms. The article should be understandable for those too who don't "do" baseball.
A few bits in the Biography section seem superfluous -- for instance, why do we care that Red's cousin died?
The prose should be more fluid throughout the article -- most of this will be amended by relieving the stat-listiness though

-- Pitke (talk) 11:57, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

- He played considerably because Boston was terrible at the time. They didn't have any better prospects, and Ruffing had some potential in him. I'll try to clarify that better. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:35, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I feel there is substantial context for the statistics, especially in the Red Sox section. I can add more throughout. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:35, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- His cousin died in the mine, which was where Red suffered the accident that cost him four toes. I can make the connection more clear. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:35, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And why didn't he play thgough the ML games he opened? --Pitke (talk) 13:04, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sorry? I don't understand this comment. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:35, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Two minor clarifications: He won two games in the series as the Yankees defeated the Cubs.[20][42] Ruffing finished fourth in MVP voting for the 1938 season.[43] 1) Cubs who? Full name needed, they were mentioned a long time ago if at all. 2) MVP for which league? Would assume AL. --Pitke (talk) 13:36, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Up three paragraphs, there's a link to "Chicago Cubs". It should be okay to shorten it as "Cubs" later on. I added a mention to clarify that the Yankees were facing the Cubs that WS. Indeed it is AL, so I added that. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:42, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the review. I'm back from my vacation now, so I'll be working on this (and hopefully finishing it) today. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:45, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How's the review coming? Been a couple weeks, so while not urgent would be nice to see an update on the reviewer's end. Wizardman 20:13, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I just pinged the reviewer. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:07, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Since the reviewer has now departed and you've addressed the concerns, I'll just go ahead and pass this. Wizardman 04:33, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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