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Requested move 2 February 2015

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by proposer. Acroterion (talk) 13:40, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pustec → Liqenasi – The settlement here has an ethnic Macedonian majority but is without dispute in Albania. The Macedonian name is Pustec, so yes it is used by the majority. I feel however that its name in the official language of the state should take precedence, particularly in cases where both variations may be used (it tips the balance that way). This source[1] names it by the proposed change, but I fear that if this and others similar be allowed to remain, it may set a nasty precedence across the entire site for names of settlements with linguistic minority majorities, including countless across the same region. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 11:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Actually, Pustec is now the official name. This is now the case with all villages in the municipality. I moved these articles last year; take a look at Talk:Pustec Municipality where I provided links such as this one stating the change in naming. In addition, "Pustec" is the wp:commonname since it has 139 results on Google books, while "Liqenas" ("Liqenasi" is the definite Albanian form) has only 62. --Local hero ^talk 17:57, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Question: If the official name has changed, and given all six letters of Pustec have the same pronunciation in both languages, why is the Albanian article still at Liqenasi when there is evidently no linguistic issue and when Albanian is still the state's primary language? --Oranges Juicy (talk) 12:41, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Albanian Wikipedia is hardly a model Wikipedia. If you look at that article, however, you'll see that someone has edit the text to be 'Pustec' and noted the name change, although the article's title has not changed. --Local hero ^talk 14:25, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - it's the city's official name. Wikimandia (talk) 14:03, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. As proposer, I have amended my position now that the situation has beome clearer following Local Hero's explanation at Talk:Šulin. If an admin wishes to close the discussion, he or she is most welcome as the subject is now agreed. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 13:08, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Interlanguage links

FYI I edited the interlanguage links at Wikidata. Half the ones about the village of Pustec were linking to the Municipality of Pustec, and the other way around. I searched thoroughly and I'm sure I got them all, but please keep an eye out. Wikimandia (talk) 15:05, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well done. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 13:27, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bulgarian minority in Albania.

The Bulgarian minority was recognized by the Albanian government as a separate community in October 2017. There is a source confirming the name of the village in Bulgarian. The Bulgarian community there has its historical roots long before the Macedonian ones. Do not delete them. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 12:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the Bulgarian name is better suited for the history section. Virtually the entire population today identifies as ethnic Macedonian. --Local hero ^talk 18:38, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with User:Local hero. There are currently no official sources confirming a Bulgarian presence currently in Pustec. Therefore to avoid confusion about modern demographics, I support the Bulgarian name being only in the history section. Kromid (talk) 02:33, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As pointed out by Jingiby, the place may be listed with its Bulgarian name per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) which do not refer to current ethnic composition. Apcbg (talk) 05:39, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The section you linked is for subjects with multiple names in English. For example, Mumbai also contains Bombay in the lead sentence. --Local hero ^talk 17:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Following up for clarification on this. --Local hero ^talk 19:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In general we don't reach a consensus and let's keep the current version avoiding further complications. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 04:10, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of argument is that? Should we put the Macedonian name in the lead of Blagoevgrad since the Macedonian minority was once recognised there? Also, just to note, your edit summary is misleading because no sourced content was removed, it was simply moved to the history section. --Local hero ^talk 04:22, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bulgarian minority has been recognized by the Albanian government as a separate community in October 2017 and till today this is the actual situation. Jingiby (talk) 15:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greeks, Aromanians, etc. are also recognized as a minority in Albania. What does that have to do with this discussion? --Local hero ^talk 21:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]