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"Called upon"?

Is "the prime minister is 'called upon' by the monarch's representative" really the "normal term"?

"a prime minister is appointed by the governor general" [1]
"The prime minister is appointed by the. Governor General" [2]
"The prime minister is appointed by the Crown" [3]
"The prime minister is appointed by the governor general" [4]
"the prime minister is appointed" [5]
"The Prime Minister is appointed by warrant by the Governor-General" [6]
"the Governor General appoints the prime minister" [7]
"The Governor General appoints the Prime Minister" [8]
"The Governor General appoints the Prime Minister" [9]
"The governor general appoints the prime minister" [10]
"the Governor General appoints the Prime Minister" [11]
"the Crown, through the Governor General, appoints the prime minister" [12]"
"The PM is officially appointed by the Governor General" [13]

"The prime minister is 'called upon' by the monarch's representative" isn't even constitutionally valid. The individual called upon isn't prime minister before the governor general has called on them. They become prime minister only upon being appointed by the governor general. ₪ MIESIANIACAL 04:28, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Called upon" is just the academic term used in publications and is used in other contex like " "the prime minister, called upon the new governor general to" or "viceregals may be called upon to make a political decision " or " the Speaker may be called upon to decide".... Messamore, B.J. (2006). Canada's Governors General, 1847-1878: Biography and Constitutional Evolution. Canada's Governors General, 1847-1878: Biography and Constitutional Evolution. University of Toronto Press. ISBN 978-0-8020-9385-1. Retrieved Aug 11, 2023.

We could use the dumedown version "ask" used by some media and Elections Canada..

"The Electoral System of Canada". Elections Canada On-line. Mar 15, 2023. Retrieved Aug 11, 2023.

I hope "James Bowden's Blog". is not used as a source here....I think we should use the term that give proper weight to the position and has been historicaly used..

Cheffins, Ronald I. (Sep 14, 1904). "Canadian Parliamentary Review". Article. Retrieved Aug 11, 2023.
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"Parliamentary InstitutionsCanadian Parliamentary Institutions". -. Retrieved Aug 11, 2023.
Long, D. (2021). Australia’s American Constitution and the Dismissal: How English Legal Science Marred the Founders’ Vision. Lexington Books. ISBN 978-1-7936-4196-0. Retrieved Aug 11, 2023.
Hueglin, T.O.; Fenna, A. (2006). Comparative Federalism: A Systematic Inquiry. BKS:04-06. Broadview Press. ISBN 978-1-55111-410-1. Retrieved Aug 11, 2023.
"Canadian Parliamentary Institutions - Parliamentary InstitutionsHouse of Commons Procedure and Practice, Third edition, 2017ProceduralInfo". House of Commons of Canada. Oct 30, 2001. Retrieved Aug 11, 2023.

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05:35, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, those examples show that "the prime minister is 'called upon' by the monarch's representative" is a way of saying the governor general just asks the somehow already installed prime minister to do her the favour of heading government. Something like "That individual is called upon and appointed as prime minister by the monarch's representative, the governor general" would work. But, that seems a bit verbose when "the prime minister is appointed by the monarch's representative, the governor general" is both succinct and accurate. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 16:38, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that makes sense.... what we need to do is trim some Royal stuff from the article as it's really irrelevant to the position. Moxy-

00:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given the Crown appoints and has the power to dismiss the prime minister, as well as being the body that actually carries out the executive functions at the direction of Cabinet, it's the opposite of irrelevant.

That said, I removed some info about the Crown from the lede because it was duplicate. Beyond that, I don't know what other excess there is. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 18:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PM doesn't "report to" the monarch

I've deleted the reference to the PM "reporting to" the monarch from the infobox. First, there is nothing in the article that supports that statement, backed up by a reliable source, and the infobox should not be stating something that is not in the article. Second, and more generally, "reports to" implies that the PM is subordinate to the monarch on the management of the government; he's not. The monarch does not take any role in the policy decisions of the government. I've also changed "Parliament" in that field to "House of Commons" - the PM and the government are accountable to the House of Commons, but not to the Senate. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox: Term length

Wouldn't that be at the governor general's pleasure? as the governor general appointed the prime minister? Just wondering. GoodDay (talk) 21:54, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. The Governor General is the representative of the Crown, not the Crown itself. Mediatech492 (talk) 22:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed that "Governor General's Pleasure" is used in the infoboxes at Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Bahamas & other forms or no forms at all, at other non-UK Commonwealth realm prime ministers' infoboxes. So, kinda thought it somewhat out-of-sync, at this page. GoodDay (talk) 01:53, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can't assume that all Commonwealth countries are the same. In Australia, there is a dispute over exactly who is the head of state, the monarch or the GovGen, which could explain that usage in the wikipedia article: Australian head of state dispute. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no dispute in Australia, as their head of state is the monarch. The latter page you mention, was basically created to promote the false dispute & should be deleted. GoodDay (talk) 03:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of Arms of Canada infobox

The Royal arms should be added to the info box, Firstly this was commonplace on this info box until recently, secondly the royal arms are widely used to symbolise the office of Prime Minister as they are the King of Canada first minister and chief advisor (on Canadian state affairs) see https://www.pm.gc.ca/en secondly on the page of the Canadian government website canada.ca referring to the use of the Royal arms and other symbols of state "Symbols such as the Coat of Arms of Canada, the “Canada” Wordmark, and the Government of Canada Signature are normally reserved for use by the Government of Canada" as the prime minister is the leader of the Government of Canada and head of the office of the Prime Minister which uses the royal arms as its department symbol see Office of the Prime Minister (Canada) and Coat of arms of Canada therefore it is improper to not have the royal arms on the prime ministers page. Knowledgework69 (talk) 15:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]