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Requested move

RENAME ARTICLE

Consensus to rename.-Mariordo (talk) 04:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Electric vehicles in the United States → Plug-in electric vehicles in the United States

Although I am guessing this article was created with the intend of covering only all-electric vehicles, the fact is that its content reflects US laws, regulations and policies directed to plug-in electric vehicles (both all-electric vehicles and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles). "Plug-in electric drive vehicle" is the legal term used in U.S. federal legislation to designate the category of motor vehicles eligible for tax credit and other benefits, the same as in many states and local governments offering incentives. Also, grants for development of next generation batteries will benefit both EVs and PHEVs, just as all the charging infrastructure that is being deployed. As I expanded the article, it is more evident that the article's title should refer to plug-in electric vehicles not just to electric vehicles (term that by the way, often includes hybrid gasoline-electric vehicles despite not having plug-in battery packs). Please state your support or opposition to this proposal below.--Mariordo (talk) 19:57, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support rename as per my explanation above.--Mariordo (talk) 19:57, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support If the article deals exclusively with plug-in electric vehicles, instead of the whole cornucopia of electric vehicle types including hybrid electric vehicles, fuel cell electric vehicles, etc., then the name of the article should reflect the restricted scope. Ebikeguy (talk) 20:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vague and weak oppose - sounds like an unnecessarily wordy definition of something which is fairly clear already. If it was a legal document, sure, but for an entry title I don't think it is necessary. Just my opinion, though, and not a strong one at that. ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ (talk) 06:59, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~: this article could welcome more information on non-plugin electric vehicles. Or will so many hybrids be ignored? --NaBUru38 (talk) 00:54, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is already an article devoted to Hybrid electric vehicles in the United States.-Mariordo (talk) 03:47, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I hadn't noticed it. I'll change my vote to neutral. --NaBUru38 (talk) 15:23, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Ebikeguy and Mariordo. Johnfos (talk) 09:47, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Split content from California section

SPLIT SECTION

Consensus to split (done!).--Mariordo (talk) 16:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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My proposal is to move the content of the California section to a new article Plug-in electric vehicles in California. Simultaneously, the content of the article Plug-in hybrids in California will be merged into the new article and left as a redirect. This article will only keep a summary of the California section, similar to the ones for the other relevant states. The reasons for the proposed split/merge are the following:

The PEV in the U.S. article istoo long, and the California section is quite disproportionate as compared with the other state sections. It is reasonable to just keep a summary here and move the rest to the new article Plug-in electric vehicles in California. The California section is big because the subject of PEVs in Cal is notable, much more than the other American states.
The article Plug-in hybrids in California already has a huge overlap with the California section here, so the proposal eliminates the existing duplication.
In practice it is very difficult to separate the subjects of all-electric cars from plug-in hybrids, for the U.S. and particularly for California. Therefore, it makes more sense to talk about plug-in electric vehicles
California by itself is as notable as any of the other countries that already have a country article (Plug-in electric vehicles in Norway, Plug-in electric vehicles in Japan, Plug-in electric vehicles in the Netherlands and Plug-in electric vehicles in the United Kingdom). As the article explains, California already has more than 100K PEVs, which is more than any of the top selling countries listed above.

Please express your support, opposition or propose a new option below.--Mariordo (talk) 03:51, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Both the split and merge as per the reasons explained above.--Mariordo (talk) 03:51, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Both the split and merge as per the reasons explained above.--User:Clydemcqueen

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Similarity to article: Hybrid electric vehicles in the United States

These two article contain many identical informations. Since Plugin electric also can be hybrid and hybrid always means plugin electric.
So how about either merging them or put some effective structure into them. Any ideas?

Also these articles booth are named vehicles, but are only describing cars.
So i recommend to move them to a more specific name. Any suggestions?
--Angerdan (talk) 12:35, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The two articles may have the same information in places, but they cover different topics. A plug-in electric that only has electric motors is not a hybrid car that has a motor and gasoline engine. I think it is fine as-is. --Frmorrison (talk) 14:51, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The articles cover different type of vehicles, a conventional hybrid cannot be plugged to recharge the battery. A plug-in hybrid when fully charged operates like a full electric vehicle (see also all-electric range). Only the information is organized in a similar way for some sections. I agree with Frmorrison, the articles are just fine as they are.--Mariordo (talk) 04:15, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Major reorganizing and splitting of the article

Since there have been a complaint about the "too large" "too much detailed" articles about plug-in vehicles, even several were demoted recently from "Good Article" for this and other reasons, I will began a major work on this article that includes trimming dated content, updating figures, major copyedit, splitting some sections into stand alone articles, such as List of modern production plug-in electric vehicles available in the United States, Government incentives for plug-in electric vehicles in the U.S., and also merging with some content from the general article Government incentives for plug-in electric vehicles, etc, and exporting and merging content with other existing ones, such as Environmental aspects of the electric car, and so on. Currently the article has a prose size (text only) of 79 kB or 12,844 words of "readable prose size" - the aim is to reduce it to 50 kB or 5,000 words or less. I expect this major edit to take a couple of weeks, any comments and suggestions are welcome.--Mariordo (talk) 05:03, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Tagged it as too long and needs scope defining and details summarized but I am not going to fix it myself as Wikipedia has plenty of American editors so I would rather spend time on non-USA stuff Chidgk1 (talk) 07:35, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]