Talk:Operation Dawn of Freedom

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sna and turkey

@Ecrusized Would it count as original research for adding Turkey to combatants, if the source I listed were ones that described the sna as an auxiliary army of the Turkish Armed Forces and Turkish mercenaries? Technically they don't refer to the sna in this current campaign but... come on, right? It's the sna.. Genabab (talk) 23:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's called synth and its a form of original research. Ecrusized (talk) 23:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is now a source so i added it :D Genabab (talk) 01:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Genabab: There needs to be evidence before any side can be added as a belligerent to an infobox. Claims and verbal support made by officials does not indicate military involvement. Twitter is also unreliable. Just to give you an example of some things that would qualify for inclusion, Turkey would have to conduct artillery or air strikes on SAA or SDF positions in support of the SNA, and it would have to be consistent enough to materialize for support. (As in, out of the ordinary shelling that takes place regularly in this war). Ecrusized (talk) 10:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

> Claims and verbal support made by officials does not indicate military involvement.

@Ecrusized This was already accounted for by the edit that said syrian claim. Although I'm not the one who made that edit. similar point for al-Julani. The source was just reporting that the government said he was killed. Not that he was.

> Twitter is also unreliable.

Uhh... ok? I don't remember citing Twitter so I'm not sure why you're bringing this up Genabab (talk) 12:27, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Twitter was cited as a source for Turkish Land Army involvement, you may not have been the one to add it, I didn't check but I reverted that one as well. Also, just because something has been reported or claimed doesn't necessitate its inclusion if it cannot be verified. See WP:ONUS. Ecrusized (talk) 13:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ecrusized

Would this count as a source? https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/11/30/syrian-rebel-forces-take-aleppo-in-lightning-offensive/

“The rebel offensive could not have taken place without Ankara’s explicit permission. Since 2016, Turkey assumed a de facto role of patronizing a number of jihadi-Salafist extremist militias intent on firstly bringing down the Assad regime, and later employed as fighters to threaten and target SDF forces. Many of the Turkish backed militias are ISIS remnants. Following the fall of Aleppo, it is unlikely these militia groups will simply sit tight. Larger questions now loom over whether SDF fighters, as well as US forces in Syria, will also be targeted by them.” — Sinan Ciddi, Senior Fellow" Genabab (talk) 01:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to be indicating a Turkish greenlight for the rebels to launch the operation. There hasn't been any Turkish military involvement so far. Turkey has even denied minor involvement in the "Operation Dawn of Freedom" saying:

"Turkish Armed Forces was not involved in the “Operation Dawn of Freedom” in Syria at any stage, and did not take any action regarding the mines in the area."[1] Ecrusized (talk) 09:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At the verry least this justifies saying that they are supported by turkey? Every source on the sna also says that they are Turkey-backed.

Also i thought we can't cite twitter ?_? Genabab (talk) 10:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, international sources suggest that the operation is backed by Turkey, but there's no solid evidence whatsoever and that's a pure assumption. Turkish FM Hakan Fidan had already stated that Turkey has no involvement in the Aleppo offensive[1][2][3][4][5][6] - considering that there's no present evidence of Turkish military activity/support to the Operation Dawn of Freedom, it makes no sense to add Turkey as a belligerent. AscendencyXXIV (talk) 01:09, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SDF casualty figures need to be changed to 3 ^[1] Donbarzinitut (talk) 03:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Capture of Kuweires airbase

At the morning of December 1 2024, SNA forces captured the Kuweires airbase, along with the towns as-Safirah and Khanasir.^[2]^[3] A few hours later, videos put on circulation by opposition-aligned media suggested that SNA forces have seized many military equipment from the sudden offensive on the Syrian Arab Army. The opposition seizure includes Pantsir S-1 air defense system^[4], at least eleven L-39 Albatros jets^[5], and one Mil-Mi 8 helicopter.^[5]

I was going to add a whole section for the Capture of Kuweires airbase, along with many recent sources, but the page now suddenly has extended protection and I cannot make changes as I do not have 500 edits. I would be happy if you adjusted the changes. Thanks! AscendencyXXIV (talk) 03:19, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ https://hawarnews.com/en/3-sdf-fighters-martyred-in-response-to-attacks-by-turkish-occupation-mercenaries
^ Cite error: The named reference SOHR1DecCapture" was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ "Syrian rebels take over Kuweires military airport in Aleppo area - report". The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com. 2024-12-01. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
^ Security, Ellie Cook; Reporter, Defense (2024-12-01). "Syrian rebels capture Russian Pantsir system: Reports". Newsweek. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
^ ^a ^b GDC (2024-12-01). "Syrian Rebels Capture Russian Pantsir System, Helicopter, L-39 Albatros Aircraft and Syrian Army General Malik Hassan Muhaybar". Global Defense Corp. Retrieved 2024-12-02.

[1] ttps://hawarnews.com/en/3-sdf-fighters-martyred-in-response-to-attacks-by-turkish-occupation-mercenaries

[SOHR1DecCapture"-2] Cite error: The named reference SOHR1DecCapture" was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[3] "Syrian rebels take over Kuweires military airport in Aleppo area - report". The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com. 2024-12-01. Retrieved 2024-12-02.

[4] Security, Ellie Cook; Reporter, Defense (2024-12-01). "Syrian rebels capture Russian Pantsir system: Reports". Newsweek. Retrieved 2024-12-02.

[:0-5] GDC (2024-12-01). "Syrian Rebels Capture Russian Pantsir System, Helicopter, L-39 Albatros Aircraft and Syrian Army General Malik Hassan Muhaybar". Global Defense Corp. Retrieved 2024-12-02.

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