Talk:Odette Abadi

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Date	Process	Result
May 5, 2020	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 24, 2019.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that French Resistance member Odette Abadi was a co-founder of Réseau Marcel, which saved more than 500 Jewish children during the Holocaust?

A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on August 24, 2024.

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Marriage?

Maybe just a quibble, but in the article it is stated that "At the end of November 1942, she worked for the Œuvre de secours aux enfants with her husband", it is also stated that she married Abadi in 1959. Does this mean she was married before or that "husband" should be replaced by "future husband"?

IMHO this is defenitly a story that should be preserved, but it should also be accurate. JHvW 15:08, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Odette Abadi/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: CaroleHenson (talk · contribs) 02:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am looking forward to performing a review of this article. My approach is to review each section, make minor edits as I go along (links, punctuation, etc.) to save us both time and effort, and then assess the article against GA criteria. Feel free to revert edits that I make if you disagree.–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General comments

The article is a bit short for a good article. I think there is more information that can be found about her background, resistance work, time in the concentration camp, and life afterwards.

I added some comments about her early life. Do you feel comfortable doing research to expand the article?–CaroleHenson (talk) 04:08, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction

I added a couple of links and made a minor edit here
The content looks good, I may come back to this after finishing the rest of the sections.–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Early life and education

I made a few edits here

Suggestions for some additional content (just notes at this point, not necessarily actual verbiage):

She had a younger sister.[1] Done
It looks like, even though her parents were not practicing Jews, Odette appreciated some of the principles and her Jewish background. And, due to the Nazi movement in Germany, was concerned about being Jewish.[2][new source] Done
Concerned about injustice and the growth of Nazism, she began attending meetings and debate as a teenager.[1][2] Done
She studied medicine in Paris[2] Perhaps there is some information about what school.

The number are based upon the current citation numbers.

She graduated from high school in 1933. [new source]–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC) Done[reply]

Your edits look good and give a more well-rounded image of Odette. Thanks! This section is Done.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Career

I took a stab at breaking down the sections for expansion. Please change them as you wish, it's just a suggestion.–CaroleHenson (talk) 04:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Physician and inspector

Do you know what happened to Odette's father during the war?

I added a note, since I don't have a good source, stating that the French article says that he died in 1967. That's not a great approach, I wouldn't be able to do that in the body of the article. If you are not okay with it, I don't mind if you remove it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is a statement that Odette was a physician during and after the war. Does that mean that after she lost her job as an inspector she was a physician?

I see you added information about what she did after she lost her job as a physican / inspector.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Réseau Marcel

Is there more detail about her time rescuing children? Done

Wow! This section looks so much better! Thanks for your work on it!

Not a big deal, but do you know what river Odette swam across?–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Concentration camps

Same with Moussa when Odette was in the concentration camps? Done

Did she act as a physician in the concentration camps? Done
Is there more information about her time in the camps? Done

Looks really good! Thanks for the additional info! Mengele - yikes!–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:15, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Post-war

After the war there were about 50 years before her death. Is there more information about her personal and professional life? Done

This looks good, too! I added a cn tag for and uncited sentence and made two minor edits here–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a diff of the changes I made, with sections, links, and edits for names - with a couple of minor edits.–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy

Looks good, I don't have any comments or suggestions.–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Comments

The article is well written and complies with WP:MOS (1a, 1b)
It has properly formatted citations to reliable sources (2a, 2b)
There is no evidence of original research (2c)
The only hits from the copyvio detector are titles (2d)
It would be nice to have more information about her life (3)

This is

Done. Great!–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:31, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article does not go into excessive detail (3b)
It is neutral and stable (4,5)
There is only one image, which is marked as in the public domain, but I am not sure. It says that the article should have been created before 1923 (it was created in 1958) and 50 years after the death of the creator / photographer - but since there is no info about the photographer, how do we know when he / she died?–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

HickoryOughtShirt?4 You did a great job on this article. It now gives such a great idea of who Odette was and what she went through. There's one {{cn}} tag in the Post-war section. And, there are two questions. I put them in purple font for easy identification.

The cn tag needs to be done and I don't know what to do about the photograph of Odette. Two options are: 1) Ask a question on commons about this image or 2) Get an image unde {{Non-free fair use rationale}}. Do you have any thoughts about the photo?–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:31, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My fault, I forgot to add the reference. I'll work on adding a proper photo. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 21:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CaroleHenson, photo has been nominated for deletion. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 13:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I uploaded an image to Wikipedia under non-free fair use rationale, including reducing the size of the image.

The article passes. Thanks for your great work on the article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:03, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]