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On 24 September 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Nara Chandrababu Naidu. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Page is full of misleads and previous pages are removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Singhal.sasthry (talk • contribs) 06:01, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

National Role

Role in National Politics

Chandrababu Naidu's involvement in national politics during an era dominated by non-Congress coalition politics in Delhi is notable.^[1] In the aftermath of the 1996 parliamentary elections, he assumed the role of convenor for the United Front, a coalition comprising 13 political parties that secured power at the Centre. The coalition government was headed by H.D. Deve Gowda and later I.K. Gujral between 1996 and 1998. The United Front had its headquarters at Andhra Pradesh Bhavan in New Delhi.

Subsequently, Chandrababu Naidu's significance in national affairs amplified after the 1999 Lok Sabha elections.The TDP and the BJP, which had a pre-poll understanding in the state, together won 36 MPs out of 42.^[2] The BJP emerged as the largest single party in the Lok Sabha. The TDP extended the support of 29 of its MPs to the National Democratic Alliance government headed by A.B.Vajpayee.^[3] TDP did not join the government, extending only ‘issue-based support’.^[4] Naidu claimed that though Vajpayee offered eight cabinet berths to his party, the TDP stayed away from the union cabinet and offered external support.^[5] Salivahana (talk) 16:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Gali, Nagaraja (13 Oct 2022). "How Chandrababu scuttled Mulayam's chances of becoming PM in 1996". The Federal. Retrieved 17 July 2023.
^ Shireen (8 Oct 1999). "Vajpayee urges TDP to join ministry". Rediff. Retrieved 17 July 2023.
^ UNI (8 Oct 1999). "TDP extends support to NDA". Rediff. Retrieved 17 July 2023.
^ UNI (11 Oct 1999). "Naidu says no to slice of government". Rediff. Retrieved 17 July 2023.
^ ANI (17 Aug 2018). "Chandrababu Naidu pays tribute to Vajpayee". Retrieved 17 July 2023.

Lead of the page

Alalch E. Seems u mistook and didn't clearly follow my explanation. I don't intend to present anything in a negative tone but rather in the present status and position of a politician. A politician's recent major electoral achievement or debacle has to be established which were present in my edits. This has nothing to do with the violation of the policy as a politician holds a position in the governmental/public activity. So that has to be represented for a clear understanding of his present status which I did. The lead section added by you has no citations and many of it are way out of context.

Some of it follows: He directed the founding of HITEC city which is false as that was inaugurated and directed by former CM Janardhan Reddy. You even added a sentence about directing the construction of new capital city which is not yet completed or in the mid-way and the matter is sub-judice in the court. These are not needed since they had already been present in the page's respective sections. Mine looks crisp and up to the point. ~ Chinnusaikrish (talk) 07:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mention of HITEC City in the lead follows what is said about it in the body. Things that are present in the body are precisely needed in the lead, because the whole purpose of the lead is to restate them in a summarized way, per MOS:LEAD. A lead section does not need citations per MOS:LEADCITE, unless there is some exceptional reason why a citation would be beneficial. Your "crisp and up to the point" lead is utterly unacceptable. Your "explanation" is terrible and you must urgently give up on this WP:RECENTIST and WP:POV idea, or it may be concluded that you are unable to contribute constructively to this article. —Alalch E. 07:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But this way of summarizing whole of the body into the lead didn't quite present a crisp idea and makes it a mini-version of the history of a politician. Is it alright ? And what about the HITEC city issue which was wrongly mentioned and the capital city thing which is sub-judice. These can be included in the respective sections as well. ~ Chinnusaikrish (talk) 07:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's right, it's a mini version of the biography, a summary of the whole biography. See other well-developed articles about politicians, such as Liz Truss or Bill Clinton. Please give me some time to think about mentioning the HITEC City and the other city in the lead. I think that these are due mentions, especially the HITEC City, which is one of the things Naidu is known for, especially in the west (example), but I'm less certain about the need to mention the new capital of AP. —Alalch E. 07:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm okay with mentioning some of the body here. Mentioning the start of his political journey and some events afterwards are a bit needed. But the whole body of the page is presented as a fan POV where it missed true sense. Summarizing this fan POV body in the lead might not appeal proper as they need more precise explanations which is why I excluded them all. This is where you misunderstood me. And for HITEC City and the capital can be discussed in the respective sections as they seem controversial. ~ Chinnusaikrish (talk) 07:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't the same whether HITEC City is controversial as something that may be assessed positively or negatively, or if it's controversial in the sense that sources disagree about whose idea it was and under whose government it was built. There is no controversy in the sources that Naidu is the initiator of the HITEC City project. The same holds for Amaravati. Amaravati seems less important so I've removed it from the time being, but there is not way that removing HITEC City, which is basically the main thing Naidu is known for in the West is appropriate. I agree that the body is pretty weak, and needs much work. As the body of the article is improved, the lead will be adjusted accordingly. —Alalch E. 08:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for making a change and I would like to edit the body as well as many events are not unfolded properly and needed clear explanations with sense which might make the lead more convincing and neutral. And regarding the HITEC city, it is not about being credited for or known for but the initiation of it had been by some other CM but it is presented as if it was established and conceived by Naidu which is far from reality and incorrect. Such events need clear presentation which is missing. Better to avoid them in the lead by elaborately mentioning them in the respective sections. ~ Chinnusaikrish (talk) 08:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources attribute the project to Naidu in an unqualified way. According to the sources, it was his idea and the project was put into motion by his government, during his chief ministership. But you may be right, and it may not be so clear cut. But a reliable source is required to present this in a less-clear-cut way. It would be great if you would make the needed improvements to the body. What he did during his terms in both policy and politics is pretty weakly covered. —Alalch E. 08:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems you mistook Cyber Towers to HITEC City. This project was envisioned by the then Central Congress Government with the inauguration by Rajiv Gandhi under the regime of former CM Janardhan Reddy. Under Naidu's regime several IT companies were fielded with further expansion in many areas. This was misproperly Rpresented as his vision and inauguration which has to be differentiated properly. Better to expand this in the respective section. efer - (https://www.sakshipost.com/politics/2018/12/05/a-timeline-of-cyberabad-history-fact-check-for-chandrababu-naidu )

And as I said before I'm going ahead with improving the body in a better way so that the facts and events may get presented true to the sense and Thanks for allowing me. ~ Chinnusaikrish (talk) 09:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have not assumed the office yet

Someone restore to the last incumbent office until 12 June immediately EntrepreneurPedia (talk) 07:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 September 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 06:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

N. Chandrababu Naidu → Nara Chandrababu Naidu – He is known and called as Nara Chandrababu Naidu. Never was he referred to as N. Chandrababu Naidu. Google search also reveals more articles referring to him as Nara Chandrababu Naidu, so it would be appropriate to move the article to the said title. Thewikizoomer (talk) 16:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The move request seems unnecessary. Most sources currently available in the article refer to the subject using either the shorter form "N. Chandrababu Naidu" or simply "Naidu." Additionally, Google Ngrams shows that the current common name is more widely used than the full name. here

The subject’s official social media handle like Twitter, where he is more active also uses the shortened name, using "N" instead of "Nara." Therefore, I believe this move request is unwarranted, and the current name should remain. 456legend talk 03:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Google Ngram shows N. Chandrababu Naidu and N Chandrababu Naidu less - https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=N.+Chandrababu+Naidu&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3

than Nara Chandrababu Naidu - https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Nara+Chandrababu+Naidu&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3 Thewikizoomer (talk) 06:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What you've provided isn't a comparison trend. If you closely observe the values from your own estimation, they are approximately 0.0000001919% for "N. Chandrababu Naidu" and 0.0000000465% for "Nara Chandrababu Naidu." Projecting them individually would always place them on their respective previous individual trends, rather than showing a comparison. Please refer to the comparison trend I shared earlier, which I'm attaching again for reference: THIS 456legend talk 11:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So as per the Google Ngram Chandrababu Naidu is more common? - https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=N.+Chandrababu+Naidu%2CNara+Chandrababu+Naidu%2C+Chandrababu+Naidu&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3 Thewikizoomer (talk) 04:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, it contradicts your own claims and does not provide a basis for renaming the article to include "Nara." Additionally, the common name should not rely solely on Google Ngrams. Google Ngrams is part of it, as you were claiming that Google search results were showing more results for the name with "Nara". As I previously mentioned, the sources cited in the articles primarily refer to him as "N. Chandrababu Naidu" or simply "Naidu." The fact that "Nara" is his surname is already on the article and should be sufficient justification. 456legend talk 08:00, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It can be changed to Chandrababu Naidu his most common name or Nara Chandrababu Naidu being his full name. In telugu state, I rarely saw anyone referring to him like that in the channels or print media. Thewikizoomer (talk) 08:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose this move since as I noticed N. Chandrababu Naidu or Naidu is the common used in the sources cited. 456legend talk 09:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok Thewikizoomer (talk) 09:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with @456legend RWILD ✉ 03:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because I've been hearing his name from childhood on news articles and digital media, I personally extremely rarely heard N. Chandrababu Naidu. I heard only Chandrababu Naidu and Nara Chandrababu Naidu. Thewikizoomer (talk) 04:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose- "N. Chandrababu Naidu" gets much more hits on Google than "Nara Chandrababu Naidu". Don't remember him addressed as "Nara Chandrababu Naidu" in national television either. It is "N. Chandrababu Naidu" or "Chandrababu Naidu". - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] Gali, Nagaraja (13 Oct 2022). "How Chandrababu scuttled Mulayam's chances of becoming PM in 1996". The Federal. Retrieved 17 July 2023.

[2] Shireen (8 Oct 1999). "Vajpayee urges TDP to join ministry". Rediff. Retrieved 17 July 2023.

[3] UNI (8 Oct 1999). "TDP extends support to NDA". Rediff. Retrieved 17 July 2023.

[4] UNI (11 Oct 1999). "Naidu says no to slice of government". Rediff. Retrieved 17 July 2023.

[5] ANI (17 Aug 2018). "Chandrababu Naidu pays tribute to Vajpayee". Retrieved 17 July 2023.

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