Talk:Morea

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Wasn't the Chronicle originally written in French, and then translated into Greek? Also, I thought the odd state of the Greek translation was because it had been translated by a non-native speaker. (I'm probably mis-remembering something, and I don't have a copy at hand.) Adam Bishop 07:41, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Probably, but is there a surviving ms version in Old French? I haven't read more than quotes from it. How does the passage look now? Wetman 08:46, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The Catholic Encyclopedia says:

"To the period of Frankish conquest belongs aIso the metrical Chronicle of Morea (fourteenth century) It was composed by a Frank brought up in Greece, though a foe of the Greeks, and its literary value for the history of civilization is all the greater. Its object was, amid the constantly progressing hellenization of the Western conquerors, to remind them of the spirit of their ancestors. It is Greek, therefore, only in language; in literary form and spirit it is wholly Frankish. The author "describes minutely the feudal customs which had been transplanted to the soil of Greece, and this perhaps is his chief merit; the deliberations of the High Court are given with the greatest accuracy, and he is quite familiar with the practice of feudal law" (J. Schmitt). As early as the fourteenth century the Chronicle was translated into Spanish and in the fifteenth into French and Italian."

I guess that must be what I was thinking of, written by a French guy in Greek. Adam Bishop 16:51, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

W.J. Aerts, the University of Groningen, contributed to a Dutch festschrift in 1990, "Was the Author of the Chronicle of Morea that Bad? Some considerations about the style and composition of the Chronicle of Morea, mainly based on the MS of Copenhagen (H 57)" It would be over my head, that's fer sure... Wetman 17:51, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Merged the two. I did delete the "is it a fish or is it a hamster?" way the original last paragraph was constructed; it just looked too editorial for a encyclopaedia article. I do feel that both points of view are adequately represented (but I also thought both povs were represented in my original edit, so go figure). Sysin

Etymology of the word Moreas. Moreas is written with an omicron, not an omega, "Μορέας", not "Μωρέας", so it is more plausible that it derives from the mulberry tree, "μουριά" rather than "μωρός". Vasmer in Slaven 2 rejected the Slavic derivation, plus I could not find any definition of "μωρός" as a brigand, either in contemporary lexica or a modern one of medieval Greek. I suggest that the derivation from "μωρός" is deleted, as it is not supported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.211.2.37 (talk) 20:14, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Chronicle of the Morea"

Chronicle of the Morea redirects here. Wouldn't it fit better to redirect to Chronicle of Morea? Any help with moving pages? Ashmedai 119 (talk) 08:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done, good idea. --FocalPoint (talk) 11:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Origins of the Name

The section about the origins of the name, seems to contain original research, and to be written in a non-neutral and editorial way.--Alarichus (talk) 21:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Something is wrong here, Thebes is in Boeotia, not the Peloponnesus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.214.202 (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto!96.19.147.40 (talk) 21:43, 14 May 2013 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes[reply]

Given this the Peloponnese is more nearly and island than merely a penninsula, Morea most probably is related to PIE *mori-, meaning water and a precursor to words like mooring, marine, and mer (as in French sur-le-mer). See etymology at etymonline Blauschwein (talk) 15:23, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thebes in the Peloponnese

"in the Peloponnesus that the plain around Thebes"

The references to Thebes should be to Tripolis, capital of Morea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by O8TY (talk • contribs) 08:23, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Morea from Greek: Μωρέας or Μωριάς,

Greek μωριος means "mushroom" (cf morel), which coincides with Late Bronze Age Mycenae (Mukenai) being named after Greek mukes = mushroom.

Old habits die hard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by O8TY (talk • contribs) 08:30, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See *mori-, PIE body of water, from etymonline Blauschwein (talk) 15:26, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Need expansion and citations.--Yannismarou 10:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Peloponnese

There is no reason to have two pages which are about the exact same thing. This is simply an alternative name. Everything on this page is address in the Peloponnese page as well as he fact that Morea is an alternative name. That page could achieve everything from this page by adding an Etymology section. Magjozs (talk) 12:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]