Talk:Mary Millington

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Hardcore version of Come Play With Me

I removed reference to this as I don't think it's true. I seem to recall a tv documentary - probably on Channel 4 - that said Sullivan was appalled by the lack of nudity within the first version and his distributor objected on the grounds that the punters would demand their money back. Sullivan had to shoot a couple more scenes of a more raunchy nature (within the confines of the then X certificate) to splice into the film. I think the story of a hardcore version may have been part of Sullivan's marketing strategy and also his on-going campaign to have the censorship rules relaxed. The same documentary did point out that Millington certianly had made at least one hardcore film but all of Sullivan's films were made for UK cinema release. Of course if someone knows better by all means reinstate the claim.here

There was a hardcore version of 'Come Play With Me' circa 1977 without a shadow of a doubt, it was shot in England and starred many foreign porn stars including the lady named Sonia who featured in many of Sullivan's magazines, it was shot in England .The former director Harrison Marks prior to his death admitted that it was made for viewing abroad however he admitted it was probably destroyed after its release.Mary Millington probably under the surname [Maxted] her married name whilst under the wing of John Lindsay a Scottish photographer of hardcore magazines and film [before she met David Sullivan] made many hardcore films abroad most I believe in Germany some in Sweden and these included 'Miss Bohrloch' 'Betrayed'and 'Oral Connection' on the Carl Ordinez label.Mary experimented and pushed the boundaries continually whilst with Sullivan that was indeed one reason for the split in their relationship. The CH4 Documentary was entitled Sex and Shame' The Mary Millington Story'and is in places inaccurate ref Simon Sheridan Fab Press The Life And Films Of Mary Millington 1999 [see back of book]

Mary Millington 1945-1979 had a ground breaking role in in the 1970s she single handedly took on the Obscene publications Act the British government and the anti porn lobby inc Lord Longford and Mary Whitehouse she upped the ante continually but the campaign was to take its toll on the lovely Mary who committed suicide on the 19th August 1979.

Addendum: Her death cert shows she overdosed on Anafranil a [trycyclic] anti depressant and alcohol, her cause of death specifically was Hypo-static Pneumonia the official verdict Suicide.. hope that helps. regards Rbt Foot .

Worked under married name?

Recently here and at the IMDB its been claimed she did TV extra work under the name Mary Maxted (her married name), specifically the Doctor Who story “The Talons of Weng-Chiang” and the Steptoe and Son episode “porn again”. Don’t think this is true though. I think that someone also called Mary Maxted was working in TV around the same time, and the two have been mistaken. Maxted was still working in TV as late as 1989 (in an episode of The Bill) so obviously they couldn’t have been one and the same. --Gavcrimson 12:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Early work

Added some of her early credits to the filmography, Betrayed, Oral Connection and Miss Bohrloch are quite easy to source. Oh Nurse, i've recently seen online,so can confirm shes in those. Sex is our business, a friend has this on super 8mm and mentions her being in it. Two i'm unsure of are 'convent of sin' and 'triangle of lust', they're mentioned in Simon's book as being amoung her John Lindsay credits but these two have surfaced on Lindsay compilations and shes in neither. BGAFD claims they might be two Lindsay films with those titles, but as there is this confusion i thought it best to leave them off the filmography.--Gavcrimson 16:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No cause of death listed

No part of the article lists a cause of death. Please fix this, someone. AndarielHalo 17:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: Her death cert shows she overdosed on Anafranil a [trycyclic] anti depressant and alcohol, her cause of death specifically was Hypo-static Pneumonia the official verdict Suicide.. hope that helps. regards Rbt Foot all4nothing33. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.221.110 (talk) 21:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Filmography and sex shop

Have now added her bit part roles to the filmography, as well as the earlier short films which I’ve added before, but which someone had for some reason removed.

The film Sex Shop is something of a mystery at present. Recently an actor/model who worked for Harrison Marks in the 1970s mentioned that Marks made a soft core short with Millington that was filmed in 1974 and “set in a sex-shop just off Leicester Sq in London”. He could not remember the title but an acquaintance has a film on super 8mm called Sex Shop which was sold to him as ‘Starring Mary Millington’, and which could be the film in question. This film might also be known as Sex is My Business and Sex is Our Business which is referred in Simon Sheridan’s Millington biography as starring Millington and “occurs in an adult shop”.

My theory is that sometime in 1975/1976 Marks sold a number of his 8mm films to David Sullivan, who advertised them in his own magazines and those of others, in an Ad for a company Sullivan set up to distribute the films called “The Ultimate Film Club”. While I’ve not been able to say for certain that The Ultimate Film Club was a Sullivan company, the Ads are very much in his style and include references to Sullivan’s sex shops from which the films were available from. It also seems unlikely that Sullivan would allow rival companies to advertise in his magazines. Marks would appear to have sold Sullivan, Sex is My Business at some point as Ads for it appear in Sullivan publications like ‘Mary Millington Porno Model’ [1]

Hopefully Sex Shop can be converted from super 8mm to VHS/DVD, in the near future, and then might shed more light on the matter. --Gavcrimson (talk) 08:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update: this has now been transferred to DVD; the films title is Sex is My Business and was indeed directed by Marks and stars Mary Millington. --Gavcrimson (talk) 05:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Janus

I’m estimating her two appearances on the cover of Janus magazine (which were never dated) were from 1975, on account that according to the British library Janus was first published in 1971 on a monthly basis with 12 issues per volume, which would mean Vol4 numbers 7 and 8 came out around the end of 75.--Gavcrimson (talk) 11:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note that any 'estimating' you do should stay out of the article Nil Einne (talk) 21:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am estimating you will be right and thanks ever so much for providing the proof that George Harrison Marks knew Mary before the film Come Play with Me'in which she starred [as you know] in 1977 you are a quite remarkable young man I do not know you other than our correspondence[s] however if I did I would shake your hand..yes you are a quite remarkable young man.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.47.171 (talk) 20:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Birth name and married name

I made edits deleting Millington's birth name and married surname. I was reverted. My edits were called pointless and worse here. What do others think? David in DC (talk) 18:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I see no reason why her birth and married name can’t be used here, theres a variety of reliable sources where these names are confirmed: eg the IMDB, Simon Sheridan’s biography, Sheridan’s Keeping the British End Up book while the find a grave site shows both her (married) name and her mothers name.

Simon’s biography was written with the cooperation of the Quilter family, so if they have no objection to her birth name being revealed in print, or their family name being used in a book about her, I see no reason why it cant be used here. --Gavcrimson (talk) 20:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For the record I think that Gavacrimson is correct. The sourcing meets a reasonable standard but perhaps a request for comment would be appropriate here. Albion moonlight (talk) 07:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

She also used her married name, “Mary Maxted”, on the credits of several of her early films. So it wasn’t a name she hid, and in fact virtually every article on her either on the net or in print mentions her birth and married names, so I see no reason why Wikipedia should be denied this mportant info.

Just to give two further examples here is her BFI page (which lists the birth/married names) [[2]]

And a fansite (ditto these two names)

[[3]]

Of course Gavcrimson is right if he were wrong he would be the first to admit it..As a fine researcher he is the major contributor to this and other sites, he meticulously analyses what is wrote looks to reference his articles and is certain of what he claims,otherwise he would not write it here or anywhere, others who dispute his entries should supply a reasonable argument based on logic with the proof otherwise this to and fro of changing articles that do not need changing will indeed keep on going indefinitely.. ..leave his entries alone or tell the audience why it should be changed.. all change is for the worse 'Plato' afn33

afn33 thanks for backing me up on this--Gavcrimson (talk) 20:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Gavcrimson, aside from the fact his knowledge of the subject is near encyclopedic, Mary's real name and details can be gleamed from a variety of verifiable sources, as stated she hardly hid them herself. Why ruin the work of a guy trying to share his knowledge? - Dougie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.43.23 (talk) 19:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To be blunt, it doesn't matter what Gavcrimson, you or anyone else knows. Please take a read of WP:OR. If there are reliable sources supporting the claim (I haven't looked in detail at the sources) then fine. But if not, then the information should stay out, no matter how much knowledge GC may have Nil Einne (talk) 21:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To be blunt, why don’t you look in detail at the sources, before commenting on this!!!!

For what its worth throughout my entire contributions to Wikipedia I’ve tried to be helpful, provide information and where needed back this up with reliable sources. But over the last few weeks I’ve seen people delete vital information from articles and pointlessly re-write them, as well as forcing me to constantly defend my sources from people who clearly know nothing about the article’s subjects (eg having to defend the right to use Mary Millington’s real name when it can be sourced from multiple reliable books, articles and internet sites). Like RBT foot I care passionately about these Wikipedia subjects, that is why I stuck with this nonsense day in day out, but clearly there are people here whose entire “contributions” to Wikipedia consist of deleting and challenging others material, and thus making valuable contributions to this site virtually impossible--Gavcrimson (talk) 14:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For what it is worth Gav Crimson's research can be seen on many many sites, there is no doubt in my mind that the audience on these sites appreciate his work, the comments endorse this and contrary to this Wikipedia site no one there tries to refute what he says, why, because his references are believed and people on these sites including the quite remarkable Simon Sheridan author of 'The Life and Films of Mary Millington' Fab Press and film makers from those times in the 1970s accept GavCrimson's knowledge and undoubted commitment to his subject..Now I adored Mary Millington, yes loved,I saw her twice when I was a young man, she was/is an icon of a bygone age she is renown for taking on the courts, the government and all the do-gooders Longford and Whitehouse included because she defended what she believed in, it eventually cost her, her life at just 33yrs old...may her and her lifetime be remembered but unfortunately not on this site. Walk away Gav, these people who challenge you and do not have anything to offer to disprove you are not worth it, walk away and go to where you will be respected for your interest, endeavour and commitment to your work.Please note this, GavCrimson has contributed to the Wikipedia for a good while,and yes his extensive research and what he found out brightened up my life, now it is only recently that his work has received such untoward attention I wonder why!I have never seen the like of this before it is in my opinion becoming a witch hunt,just where are the moderators on this Wikipedia surely common sense should prevail. walk away Gav, yes walk away ...Rbt Foot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.20.29 (talk) 21:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spick 261 (Vol 22) August 1975 (as Mary Maxted)?

Spotted vintage magazine dealer website mentioning appearance of Mary Millington in above as Mary Maxted. I have not seen it myself. Cookieonwiki (talk) 02:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have now seen a copy and have added this to the main article. I have however left out Vol. 22 in the list item to be consistent with the Beautiful Britons entries. (Cookieonwiki (talk) 18:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC))[reply]

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Where is the nightclub in Liverpool?

The Mirror article which is referenced doesn't say, and it's not clear that this is correct. There was a dance academy in Bootle until recently, but it was named after Constance Millington. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.51.49 (talk) 17:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]