Talk:Manfred Sakel

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Manfred Sakel article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find medical sources: Source guidelines · PubMed · Cochrane · DOAJ · Gale · OpenMD · ScienceDirect · Springer · Trip · Wiley · TWL

Biography: Science and Academia

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography
	This article is supported by the science and academia work group.

Physiology Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Physiology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Physiology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PhysiologyWikipedia:WikiProject PhysiologyTemplate:WikiProject PhysiologyPhysiology
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.
	This article has been classified as relating to the field of physiology.

Medicine: Psychiatry Low‑importance

	Medicine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Medicine, which recommends that medicine-related articles follow the Manual of Style for medicine-related articles and that biomedical information in any article use high-quality medical sources. Please visit the project page for details or ask questions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine.MedicineWikipedia:WikiProject MedicineTemplate:WikiProject Medicinemedicine
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	Psychiatry portal This article is supported by the Psychiatry task force.

History of Science

	History of science portal This article is part of the History of Science WikiProject, an attempt to improve and organize the history of science content on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion. You can also help with the History of Science Collaboration of the Month.History of ScienceWikipedia:WikiProject History of ScienceTemplate:WikiProject History of Sciencehistory of science
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Austria

	Austria portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Austria, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to articles about Austria on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please join the project.AustriaWikipedia:WikiProject AustriaTemplate:WikiProject AustriaAustria
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Various Items for Discussion

The date 1936 is false. Nazis came to power in Austria march 1938! Queenspawn (talk) 08:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I think that he left Berlin, where he had been treating morphine addicts, in 1933, when the Nazis came to power in Germany. He was certainly looking for a way out of Austria before 1938 and tried to get to Australia before a US colleague suggested he travel there. Freekra (talk) 09:57, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a psychiatrist, but I doubt that Sakel's therapy is still used in Europe today. As far as I understand, this therapy was criticized for many reasons (its cruelty, and many side effects). David.Monniaux 13:55, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Of course is no longer used. The article says so, --R.Sabbatini 15:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why was he forced to emmigrate to the US on account of a political party?--Hooperbloob 08:51, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

On the account of being Jewish. --R.Sabbatini 15:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the article still says this:

"(in Europe it is still used, under the name "Sakel's Therapy")"

If this is not the case, can it be changed? 22 Jan 2006 I changed it. This type of therapy isn't used any more. But something else: I wonder if here was really Polish. I mean, his name is clearly German! Does anybody have information on that? 80.140.249.125 21:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC) The NSDAP clearly did not get to power 1936 in Autria. Austria was invaded 1938. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.141.102.212 (talk) 13:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re Sakel's name. Complicated, he was born in a town in Galicia called Nadvorna, which had a large Jewish population, that is now part of modern Ukraine. Galicia was a province of Poland (1st Republic) until the late 18th century when Poland underwent a tripartite split between its neighbours, the Austro-Hungarian, Russian and Polish empires. End of Poland for a while until 1918 and the fall of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and emergence of plethora of nation states in its former provinces in central Europe. Eastern Galicia reverts to Poland. Western Galicia contested by Ukraine and then Bolshevik regime. Reverts to new Poland by 1923. As part of Molotov-Ribbontrop reverts to Soviets. Occupied by Germany 1941. Reverts to Soviets after the war.

Sakel, one would have to consider a westernised Jew. During his period the bureaucratic administration and liberal elites would have spoken German in the Austrian half of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire (which contained "Poland". German was the ruling language of that half of the Austrian Empire. Jews trying to assimilate would not, for obvious reasons, have been attracted to national languages of Polish, Czech etc. Most assimilated were Germanophiles. For comparison check out someone like Kafka who lived in Prague. Similar story. Sakel was born in a multi-national that disintegrated during his lifetime. Saying he was Polish or Ukrainian or whatever doesn't seem particularly enlightening. Freekra (talk) 09:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Manfred Sakel. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090207095430/http://jhmas.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jrl044v1 to http://jhmas.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jrl044v1

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 12:17, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Vienna or Berlin?

According to the German article, he "discovered" insulin shock therapy not in Vienna but in Berlin. After studying medicine in Brno and Vienna, Sakel went to Berlin in 1927. [] worked at Kurt Mendel's private sanitarium in Berlin-Lichterfelde. Here he treated mainly morphium-addicted actors, artists and physicians. One female addicted diabetic had inadvertently received an insulin overdose which triggered light hypoglycaemia. Sakel observed her reduced craving for morphium. He started treating all patients with insulin and then fled from the Nazis back to Vienna and started implementing the treatment there, at Universitätsklinik in October 1933. His emigration to the USA, still according to the German article, was not in 1933 but 1936. There is no direct citation, but the apparent source is deutsche-biographie.de. --2.204.227.33 (talk) 10:09, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]