Talk:Lord Mayor of Dublin

Mansion House picture

What happened to the Mansion House pic?

Another user downloaded a picture of the Mansion House tube station using the same name for the jpeg and it replaced the original, which after numerous attempts we found could not be got back. I don't have the original anymore (I had taken it). I'll have to take a new one when I get the time. FearÉIREANN 19:49, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I might do a separate piece on the Ball family

• Margaret Ball - mayoress - 1553-1554
• Walter Ball - her son - 1580-1581 - who implemented the reformation by martyring his mother
• Nicholas Ball - her second son - 1582-1583 - who opposed his brother Nicholas
• Robert Ball 1604-1605 and 1609-1610 - Walter's son, a protestant
• Edward Ball 1621-1622 - is brother, protestant
• Walter Sedgrave 1588-1589, catholic, married to Eleanor, daugher of Margaret
• this list continues
• Francis Taylor 1595-1596, catholic martyr. - Is it true that he is the only politician who is a saint (politician as defined as one holding elected office)?

Is Lords Mayor the correct plural? I would have thought Lord Mayors.

Mayoral Reform

As of 2010 the local government in Dublin will be reformed creating a new directly elected Mayor with executive powers, like the Mayor of London. Maybe we should add a section covering the changes and perhaps a comparison between the powers of the mayor of London and the mayor of Dublin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.48.60 (talk) 09:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

New Lord Mayor?

www.politics.ie is reprting that councillor Paddy Bourke of the Labour Party was elected Lord Mayor last night. Not citable, and none of the papers seem to have picked this up, though Lozleader 09:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Maor Tráchta Bhaile Átha Cliath?!

Who provided the above as the Irish version of Lord Mayor of Dublin? It means Dublin Traffic Warden! The proper Irish version should be Ardmhéara Bhaile Átha Cliath. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.202.128.155 (talk) 16:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Hutton

Was Mr. Hutton the Lord Mayor of Dublin in 1851? Online content about the "Irish State Coach" says that Mr. Hutton built the coach and that he was Lord Mayor of Dublin at the time. The wikipedia page here does not have him listed. One recent newspaper article says that he built it for the Lord Mayor, but most websites say that the Lord Mayor of the time was also the coachmaker. What is clear is that the coachmaker was Mr. Hutton.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.216.92.119 (talk • contribs)

No. Hutton wasn't the Lord Mayor in 1851. The Lord Mayor in 1851 was very definitely Guinness. See the council's own historic list of mayors at: http://www.dublincity.ie/YourCouncil/LordMayorDublin/HistoryofLordMayor/Pages/HistoryLordMayorsOffice.aspx I think the confusion here is the wording you are referring to. "The Lord Mayor built the coach in 1851" reflects that it was built "on the order of" the Lord Mayor. It doesn't mean he got out his tools and did it himself. Compare "the pharaohs built the pyramids". It doesn't mean that they actually got down on their hands and knees, and carved them out themselves. Guliolopez (talk) 08:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Upon further investigation, there does seem to be some confusion with various sources about where the coach came from, and who built it. A few points of clarification:

COACH

• The Irish State Coach was built by "John Hutton & Sons", coachbuilders of Summerhill in Dublin.
• It was built in 1851.
• It was given to or bought by Queen Victoria. (Either as a commission based on experience with another Hutton coach, or because she saw it/liked it/bought it during a visit to Ireland.)
• It was certainly in use as a state coach in London by 1852.

1851 MAYOR

• Benjamin Guinness was DEFINITELY the Lord Mayor in 1851. (He was the first elected mayor, so the date/facts here are not disputable here).
• Whether/not Guinness had a connection to the Hutton's of Summerhill is unknown (to me).
• It seems pretty clear that he commissioned the coach. (Either directly, or on behalf of Vic.)

MAYOR HUTTON

• Some sources seem to suggest that the coach was built by "Hutton, a coachbuilder and Lord Mayor of Dublin".
• There was a Henry Hutton who was the Lord Mayor of Dublin in 1803.
• Whether or not HE has a connection to the Hutton's of Summerhill is unknown (to me).
• If he was a Hutton of the coach builders, then it would seem POSSIBLE that the various sources are possibly not making it sufficiently clear that: it was built by Hutton's, one of whom was a previous lord mayor, but WASN'T Lord Mayor at the time of the coach's construction. (Though I can find no evidence that even this is true. It should certainly be pointed out that the Hutton who was lord mayor in 1803 would have been well and truely dead by the time the coach was built.).

In short, any sources which suggest that the coach was built by a coachbuilder named Hutton, who was Lord Mayor AT THE TIME, are almost definitely confused. Guliolopez (talk) 12:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Henry Hutton Lord mayor of Dublin in 1803 died in 1808 and is a brother of mr Hutton who started to the coachbuilding business in 1779 of which i am a descendant. Genealogyfan (talk) 20:16, 1 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Genealogyfan ([[User talk:Genealogyfan] • contribs) 19:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Richard Muton

Are there any information known about Richard Muton or is "Richard Muton was the first Mayor" the only thing which is known? --77.129.223.96 (talk) 16:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Lord Mayor or Cathaoirleach?

User:Snappy in reverting recent edits gave the following as the basis for the reversions: "restore Lord Mayor instead cathaoirleach - per common usage - Wikipedia is not here to mirror statute law, it is not a government body, it follows common usage and convention". I don't understand the expression as used "mirror". For sure Wiki is not a legislature, but where a legislature has enacted something within its competance, is Wiki to entirely ignore it? Do we not have a duty to show that a certain position is the legal position? The formal statement of an official legal position does not of course preclude references to other usages that may still have common currency. On the other hand, the continuing presence of common usage expressions canot be allowed as a pretext for the exclusion of all mention of the legal position, which is what User:Snappy's reversions have achieved. The reversions were too heavy handed and need to be considerably, if not wholly, undone. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

For common usage see DCC website, the Meet the Lord Mayor section, and news reports on RTE did not mention the election of a Cathaoirleach of DCC. For statute, see section 32 of the Local government act, 2001, which is the official legal position,: '(3) Where titles are continued in accordance with subsection (1), the holders of the offices concerned shall, as appropriate, be styled— (b) in the case of Dublin City Council, in the Irish language “Ard-Mhéara Chathair Bhaile Átha Cliath” and “Leas Ard-Mhéara Chathair Bhaile Átha Cliath”, and in the English language “Lord Mayor of the City of Dublin” and “Deputy Lord Mayor of the City of Dublin”.' Snappy (talk) 21:05, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

What is the basis for the non reversion? Common usage or Section 32 or both? Wouldn't a reliance on Section 32, either wholly or in part, serve to undermine your case for common usage as being sufficient in itself in the case of the County Dublin discussion? Section 32 alone is adequate for my tastes. Nevertheless, the remaining excised bits from the Act are still valid and should be included, if not in the lead, then elsewehre in the article. The cuts have been too deep. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:34, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

The information added was misleading. For one thing the term "Cathaoirleach of Dublin City Council" is, as far as I can never used. Try googling it: there is one (Citizens Information) page [1] which states correctly that "The Cathaoirleach of Dublin City Council and Cork City Council is called the Lord Mayor of the city and the Leas-Cathaoirleach is called the Deputy Lord Mayor." and the wikipedia article and derived pages. And that's it: the office is universally referred to as Lord Mayor and trying to assert anything else is unverifiable and/or original research. It's not common usage, it's not even uncommon usage. It's not used at all!

It also said: "The office was all but abolished under the Local Government Act 2001" when the opposite is closer to the truth, and the office was expressly preserved "Where... Cork City Council or Dublin City Council used the title ‘‘Lord Mayor’’ or ‘‘Deputy Lord Mayor’’...it shall continue to so use such title or titles". It did however give the councils the power to to change these titles to "Cathaoirleach" and Leas Cathaoirleach" by resolution. per section 32(1). There reference to section 11 about charters and letters patent becoming defunct, didn't apply to the lord mayoralty as 32(1) preserved the office at the council's pleasure, although it might be argued that this is the provision that disposed of the "Rt.Hon". Lozleader (talk) 23:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

That's all quite correct Lozleader. Also, using Cathaoirleach of DCC is total OR. To explain the 2001 Act, a brief mention could be added with some references. Snappy (talk) 12:56, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Could be? Seeing as you deleted them, shouldn't you judiciously restore them? Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

That's interesting, you comment on my throwaway remark at the end, but have nothing to sat on Lozleader's comments. Do you accept what Lozleader has said, and that what you added was OR? Snappy (talk) 13:08, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Didn't you read my first reply where I said "Section 32 alone is adequate for my tastes"? Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I read it but I wasn't sure what you were blathering on about. Snappy (talk) 13:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Mayors on Mansion House, Dublin

An anon Ip has been adding this list to Mansion House, Dublin. It was obviously the wrong place for it, but it seemed a bit churlish to delete it entirely. He/she obviously isn't too hot on formatting or referencing, and I'm wondering if it isn't a copyvio. Perhaps a separate "list" article might be assembled, but it all needs reffing Lozleader (talk) 22:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

• A List of Provosts from 1229-1408 , Mayors from 1409-1664, Lord Mayors from 1665-Present, Bailiffs from 1229-1546 and Sheriffs from 1547-1924.

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Notes on List: The first name are the Provosts, Mayors and Lord Mayors followed by the Bailiffs and Sheriffs which are in Bold Print. Year Provost Bailiff 1229 Richard Muton Guy the Cornishman, William Tayleburgh 1230 Henry De Exeter Ralph Le Hore, Adam De Gloucester 1231 Thomas De La Corner William De Flamstede, Ralph Le Hore 1232 Robert Pollard William De Flamstede, Richard De Hereford 1233 Gilbert De Lyvet Robert Pollard, Ralph Le Porter 1234 Robert Owain Henry De Cicestre, William De Flamstede 1235 Gilbert De Lyvet Robert De Bristol, William De Lenne 1236 Gilbert De Lyvet Ralph De Stanton, Thomas Le Poitevin 1237 Elias Burel Roger Hoky, Adam De Gloucester 1238 Robert Pollard Adam Le Despenser, William Colet 1239 Robert Pollard Philip Fitz Stephen, Adam Rudipack 1240 Henry De Exeter Ralph Le Hore, Richard Pel 1241 William Flamstede William Le Lenne, William Sweteman 1242 John Le Warre Philip Le Bel, John Pollard 1243 Philip De Dureham Richard Pel, Philip Le Bel 1244 John Le Warre Richard Pel, John Pollard 1245 Roger Owen Elias Burel, John De La Warre 1246 John Le Warre Philip Le Bel, Roger Okey 1247 John Le Warre Elias Burel, Philip Fitz Stephen 1248 John Le Warre Philip Fitz Stephen, Elias Burel 1249 Roger Oeyn Elias Burel, Philip Fitz Stephen 1250 Elias Burel Adam De Gloucester, Elias Ruffas 1251 Elias Burel William Sweteman, Alaxander De Hereford 1252 John Le Warre Elias the Red, Humphrey the Tailor 1253 John Le Warre Elias Burel, Richard Pel 1254 John Le Warre Thomas De Winchester, Peter Abraham 1255 John Le Warre Adam De Gloucester, Elias the Red 1256 Richard Olaf Thomas De Winchester, Roger De Asshebourne 1257 John Le Warre Elias the Red, Humphrey the Tailor 1258 Peter Abraham Simon Unred, Thomas Wrench 1259 Elias Burel Gilbert Wale, Raymond the Poitevin 1260 Thomas De Winchester Raymond the Poitevin, Simon Unred 1261 Roger De Asshebourne William De Chester, Peter Abraham 1262 Roger De Asshebourne William De Chester, Walter Unred 1263 Thomas De Winchester Walter Unred, William De Chester 1264 Vincent Taverner Walter Unred, Hugh the Tailor 1265 Thomas De Winchester William De Bristol, Thomas Wrench 1266 Thomas De Winchester Raymond the Poitevin, Laurence the Tailor 1267 Vincent Taverner Simon Unred, Raymond the Poitevin 1268 Roger Asshebourne Walter Unred, Vincent Taverner 1269 Vincent Taverner Walter Unred, Geoffrey De Lyvet 1270 Thomas De Winchester William De Bristol, Humphrey Le Gaunter 1271 William De Bristol John Garget, Robert De Asshebourne 1272 John Garget Robert De Asshebourne, Laurence Unred 1273 John Garget Nicholas De Beverley, Henry White 1274 John Garget Nicholas De Beverely, Thomas De Lexinton 1275 (The City of the King's Hands) 1276 Walter Unred Robert Le Decer, Laurence Unred 1277 David De Callan Laurence the Tailor, Robert Turbot 1278 David De Callan Hugh De Kersey, Robert Le Decer 1279 Henry Le Mareschall Laurence Unred, Hugh De Kersey 1280 David De Callan Adam Unred, William De Beverely 1281 David De Callan Adam Unred, William De Beverely 1282 David De Callan Laurence the Tailor, John Le Graunt 1283 Walter Unred Thomas De Coventry, William De Nottingham 1284 Walter Unred Thomas De Coventry, Robert De Wyleby 1285 Walter Unred William De Nottingham, Robert Le Decer 1286 Thomas De Coventry Robert De Asshebourne, Goger De Castleknock 1287 Thomas De Coventry John Gyffard, Willian Le Graunt 1288 William De Bristol Roger De Castleknock, John Le Seriaunt 1289 William De Bristol Adam De Hereford, Robert De Bray 1290 William De Bristol Robert Le Decer, John Le Seriaunt 1291 William De Bristol Robert Le Seriaunt, William De Nottingham 1292 Robert De Bray Richard Laghles, Bartholomew Creks 1293 Robert De Bray Roger De Castleknock, William Le Graunt 1294 John Le Seriaunt John Gyffard, Hugh De Carletone 1295 Robert De Wyleby Nicholas the Clerk, Thomas Coyls 1296 Thomas Coyls Nicholas the Clerk, Philip Carryk 1297 Thomas Coyls Philip Carryk, Nicholas the Clerk 1298 Thomas Coyls Nicholas the Clerk, Richard De St. Olave 1299 John Le Seriaunt Nicholas the Clerk, John Hayward 1300 John Le Seriaunt Nicholas the Clerk, Richard De St. Olave 1301 (The City of the King's Hands) 1302 John De Decer Richard Laghles, Nicholas the Clerk 1303 Geoffrey De Morton John De Cadwelly, Edward Colet 1304 John Le Seriaunt John De Leicester, Richard De St. Olave 1305 John Le Decer Robert Le Woder, John Le Seriaunt 1306 John Le Seriaunt William Douce, Richard De St. Olave 1307 John Le Decer Richard De St. Olave, John Stakepol 1308 John Le Decer William Le Devenys, Robert Bagot 1309 Robert De Nottingham Richard De St. Olave, Hugh De Carleton 1310 John Seriaunt Richard De St. Olave, John De Leicester 1311 Richard Lawles William Le Seriaunt, Hugh Silvester 1312 Richard Lawles Nicholas Golding, Thomas Hunt 1313 Richard Lawles Robert De Moenes, Richard De St. Olave 1314 Robert De Nottingham John De Castleknock,Adam Phelipot 1315 Richard Lawles John De Castleknock, Robert De Moenes 1316 Robert De Nottingham Robert Woder, Robert De Moenes 1317 Robert De Nottingham Robert Woder, Robert Burnell 1318 Robert De Nottingham Robert Woder, Robert Burnell 1319 Robert De Moenes Luke Brun, William Le Mareschal 1320 Robert De Nottingham Robert Woder, Stephen De Mora 1321 Robert De Nottingham Robert Woder, Robert De Eyton 1322 William Douce William Le Mareschal, Stephen De Mora 1323 William Douce Stephen De Mora, John Le Moenes 1324 John Le Decer William Le Mareschall, Robert Le Tanner 1325 John Le Decer Stephen De Mora, Giles De Baldeswall 1326 Robert Le Tanner John De Moenes, Robert Wodefoule 1327 William Le Mareschal Richard Dee Swerdes, John De Creek 1328 Robert Tanner John Le Moenes, Philip Cradok 1329 Philip Cradok Richard De Swerdes, Robert the Clerk 1330 William Douce John Creks, John Le Seriaunt 1331 John De Moenes William Le Waleys, John De Callan 1332 William Beydyn John De Callan, William Le Waleys 1333 Geoffrey Cromp John Creks, Giles De Baldeswell 1334 William Beyden William De Wyverton, Roger Grauntcourt 1335 John De Moenes John Callan, Kenewreck Scherman 1336 Philip Cradok Roger Grauntcourt, Robert Hony 1337 John De Moenes Giles De Baldsewell, John Callan 1338 Robert Le Tanner John Creek, Robert De Houghton 1339 Kenewrek Scherman John Callan, Adam De Louestoc 1340 Kenewrek Scherman William Walsh, John Creke 1341 John Le Seriaunt John Creke, Walter De Castleknock 1342 John Le Seriaunt John Creke, John De Castleknock 1343 John Le Seriaunt William Walsh, John Taylor 1344 John Le Seriaunt William Walsh, John Callan 1345 John Le Seriaunt William Walsh, Thomas Dod 1346 John Le Seruiaunt Walter Luske, Roger Grauntcourt 1347 Geoffrey Crompe William Walsh, Walter De Lusk 1348 Kenewrek Scherman John Callan, John Dert 1349 Geoffrey Crompe Roger Grauntcourt, Walter De Lusk 1349 John Seriaunt John Dert, John Bek 1350 John Bathe Robert Burnell, Richard Heygrewe 1351 Robert De Moenes John Dert, Peter Morvile 1352 Adam Louestoc John Callan, Peter Woder 1353 John Seriaunt David Tyrrell, Maurice Duncrewe 1354 John Seriaunt Maurice Duncrewe, Thomas Wodelok 1355 John Seriaunt Peter Barfot, William Wellis 1356 Robert Burnell Thomas Wodelok, Thomas Brown 1357 Peter Barfot John Wydon, Robert Walshe 1358 John Taylor Thomas Wodelok, Roger Del Wych 1359 Peter Berfot Peter Morvill, John Passavaunt 1360 Peter Barfot Roger Del Wych, Thomas Brown 1361 Richard Heygrewe David Tyrrell, Thomas Wodelok 1362 John Beke John Passavaunt, Thomas Brown 1363 John Beke John Passavaunt, Thomas Brown 1364 David Tyrrell John Grauncet, William Herdman 1365 Richard Heygrewe Walter Crompe, Maurice Young 1366 David Tyrrell John De Grauntset, Richard Chamberlain 1367 Peter Woder Thomas Browne, Richard Chamberlain 1368 John Wydon Roger Bekeford, John Beke 1369 John Passavaunt Roger Bekeford, John Foyll 1370 John Passavaunt William Herdman, Edmund Berle 1371 John Wydon Richard Chamberlain, William Tyrrell 1372 John Wydon John Foyll, Roger Faliagh 1373 John Wydon John Elys, Robert Piers 1374 Nicholas Seriaunt Robert Piers, Robert Stackpolle 1375 Edmund Berle Roger Faliagh, Robert Piers 1376 Nicholas Serivaunt Roger Kilmore, John Hull 1377 Nicholas Serviaunt Robert Piers, Roger Faliagh 1378 Robert Stakebold Walter Passavaunt, William Bank 1379 John Wydon Roger Kilmore, William Blakeney 1380 John Hull William Tyrrell, Roger Faliaagh 1381 John Hull Walter Passavaunt, Sen., John Holme, Jun 1382 Edmund Berle Robert Burnel, Richard Bertram 1383 Robert Burnel John Bermingham, John Drake 1384 Roger Bekeford Thomas Mareward, William Seriaunt 1385 Edmund Berle Thomas Cusake, Geoffrey Callan 1386 Robert Stackebold Nicholas Finglas, Richard Bertram 1387 John Bermingham Richard Cruys, Robert Piers 1388 John Passavaunt Walfran Bran, Simon Long 1389 Thomas Mareward Thomas Cusacke, William Wade 1390 Thomas Cusacke Geoffrey Gallane, Richard Bertram 1391 Richaed Chamberlain Geoffrey Gallane, Thomas Donewyth 1392 John Mareward Thomas Donewyth, Ralph Ebb 1393 Thomas Cusacke Ralph Ebb, Thomas Duncreef 1394 Thomas Cusacke William Wade, Hugh White 1395 Thomas Cusacke Richard Giffard, Geoffrey Parker 1396 Geoffrey Gallane Thomas Duncreef, John Philpot 1397 Yhomas Cusake Geoffrey Parker, Richard Clerk 1398 Nicholas Fynglas Richard Bacon, Richard Boone 1399 Ralph Ebbe Richard Bonde, Richard Taillour 1400 Thomas Cusacke Robert Piers, Richard Taillour 1401 John Drake Philip Philpot, Walter Tyrrell 1402 John Drake Walter Tyrrell, Simon Long 1403 Thomas Cusacke John Philpot, Richard Clerk 1404 John Drake John Philpot, Walter Tyrrell 1405 John Drake Walter Tyrrell, Robert Gallane 1406 Thomas Cusacke Thomas Shortall, Richard Boone 1407 William Wade Robert Gallane, Nicholas Woder 1408 Thomas Cusacke Thomas Shortall, Ricgard Boone Year Mayor Bailiff 1409 Thomas Cusacke Thomas Shortall, Richard Boone 1410 Robert Gallane John Walshe, William Heyfforde 1411 John Drake Thomas Walleys, Luke Dowdall 1412 Thomas Cusake Richard Boone, John White 1413 Luke Dowdall Stephen Taylor, Nicholas FitzEustace 1414 Thomas Cusacke John White, Thomas Shortall 1415 Thomas Cusacke John White, Thomas Shortall 1416 Walter Tyrrell John Barrett, Thomas Shortall 1417 Thomas Cusacke Nicholas FitzEustace, Ralph Pembroke 1418 Thomas Cusacke John Barrett, Robert De Ireland 1419 Walter Tyrrell John Kylbery, Thomas Shortall 1420 John Burnell John Kylbery, Thomas Shortall 1421 John Burnell John Kylbery, Thomas Shortall 1422 Thomas Susacke Stephen Taylor, Thomas Shortall 1423 John White Ralph Pembroke, Robert De Ireland 1424 Thomas Cusacke Thomas Shortall, John Kylbery 1425 Walter Tyrrell Yhomas Shortall, John Kylbery 1426 John Walshe John Barrett, Robert De Ireland 1427 Thomas Shortall Thomas Ashe, Thomas Bennet 1428 Thomas Shortall Thomas Bennet, John FitzRobert 1429 Thomas Cusacke Thomas Bennet, Robert Chambers 1430 John White John Brayne, John Hadsor 1431 John White John Hadsor, Nicholas Woder 1432 John Hadsor Nicholas Woder, Robert Ireland 1433 Nicholas Woder Philip Brayn, Thomas Newberry 1434 Ralph Pembroke James Dowdall, Richard Willet 1435 John Kylbery Richard Willet, Robert Clifford 1436 Robert Chambre John Brayn, Nicholas Clerke 1437 Thomas Newberry Nicholas Clerke, John Bennet 1438 Nicholas Woder Robert Ireland, John Brayne 1439 John FitzRobert Richard FitzEustace, David Rowe 1440 Nicholas Woder John Brayne, John De Veer 1441 Ralph Pembroke Thomas Walsh, Robert Clifford 1442 Nicholas Woder John Walsh, William Curraght 1443 Nicholas Woder, Jun John Walsh, William Curraght 1444 Nicholas Woder, Jun John Walsh, William Curraght 1445 Nicholas Woder, Jun Philip Bedlowe, John Tankerd 1446 Nicholas Woder, Jun Robert Wode, Thomas Savage 1447 Thomas Newbery 1448 1449 Robert Burnell 1450 Robert Burnell 1451 Thomas Newbery 1452 Thomas Newbery 1453 Nicholas Woder 1454 Robert Burnell 1455 Philip Bellewe 1456 John Bennett 1457 Thomas Newbery 1458 Robert Burnell 1459 Thomas Walshe 1460 Thomas Newbery 1461 Robert Burnell 1462 1463 Thomas Newbery 1464 Thomas Newbery 1465 Simon FitzRery 1466 William Crampe 1467 Thomas Newbery 1468 Thomas Newbery 1469 Arland Ussher 1470 Thomas Walton 1471 Simon FitzRery 1472 John Fyan 1473 John Bellewe 1474 Nicholas Burke 1475 Thomas FitzSimon 1476 Thomas FitzSimon 1477 Patrick FitzLeones 1478 John Weste 1479 John Fyan 1480 Willian Donewyth 1481 Thomas Mulghan 1482 Patrick Fitz Leones 1483 John West 1484 John West 1485 John Seriaunt 1486 Janico Markis 1487 Thomas Meiler 1488 William Tyve 1489 Richard Stanyhurst 1490 John Seriaunt 1491 Thomas Bennet 1492 John Seriaunt 1493 1494 Patrick FitzLeones 1495 Thomas Birmingham 1496 John Geydon 1497 Thomas Collier 1498 Reginald Talbot 1499 James Barby 1500 Robert Forster 1501 Hugh Talbot 1502 Richard Tyrrell 1503 John Blake 1504 Thomas Newman 1505 Nicholas Hertbard 1506 William English 1507 William Canterell 1508 Thomas Philip 1509 William Blank 1510 Nicholas Roch 1511 Thomas Bermingham 1512 1513 1514 1515 1516 Christopher Ussher 1517 1518 1519 1520 1521 1522 1523 Nicholas Queytrot 1524 1525 Richard Talbot 1526 Walter Ewstas 1527 1528 1529 1530 Thomas Barbe 1531 John Sarsewell 1532 Nicholas Gaydon 1533 Walter FitzSimon 1534 Robert Shilyngford 1535 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Lord Mayor's Curse?

I recently edited the article to delete Daithí de Róiste as a 'notable' Lord Mayor. No offence intended to Mr. de Róiste, but he isn't notable for any of the sorts of reasons other candidates are listed for. One thing he was listed for is being the first mayor to lose his council seat, but this isn't true. Eibhlin Byrne lost her seat in 2009, followed by Oisín Quinn in 2014. Nial Ring retained his seat in 2019, but Daithí de Róiste becomes the 3rd sitting Lord Mayor in 4 elections to lose their seat. Furthermore Royston Brady, sitting Lord Mayor, was not contesting his council seat but lost his bid for the European Parliament in the 2004 elections. That's 4 out of 5 Lord Mayors since 2004 losing out on election day.

Is this notable? Is it a curse? Does it deserve a section in the article? 193.1.200.196 (talk) 12:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Actually, Eibhlin Byrne like Royston Brady lost a European election and was not running for the locals on the same day. Oisin Quinn appears to be the 1st Lord Mayor to lose his seat, but I still think its notable that 2 Lord Mayors before him lost elections and their political career came to an end.193.1.200.196 (talk) 12:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

It is mildly interesting but not notable and not deserving of a section in the article. Also, there are probably lots more Lord Mayors who lost their seats if you went through all the records for the 19th and 20th centuries. Spleodrach (talk) 15:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)