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Map of military situation

There is a map of the current military situation in Iraq. It colour codes the areas held by the Iraqi government, the Kurds and by Islamic State. Could the map be improved by adding a key to the symbols on the map.

For example there is often a letter "L". What does this mean?

Presumably, the symbol of an airplane indicates an airfield.

Sometimes there is a symbol which looks like a small triangle What does this mean.

All over the map there are round spots, some larger than others. Are the small spots villages, the larger ones towns and the very large ones cities? Are the black spots on the map the only settlements in Iraq? There are large areas of the map with no such spots. Are there large parts of Iraq in which few people live? Crucamim (talk) 15:31, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

T. E. Lawrence

The article makes a brief mention of T. E. Lawrence. I added a detail stating that Lawrence is popularly know as "Lawrence of Arabia"-- a term well known in popular culture from movies, TV, books, theater, etc. to help readers immediately recognize to whom we're referring. User:Mlpearc, however, keeps reverting that (using the Twinke app) and sending me (automated?) warnings. Could someone look into this? The name "Lawrence of Arabia" is common knowledge, immediately established in his Wikipedia article. I don't think every basic fact needs a citation. That would just be silly. JoeM (talk) 00:37, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Your claim wasn't sourced, it my be "common knowledge" to you but, uncommon people depend on Wikipedia. If you would read the article you would realize that it is already mentioned, in the lead as a matter of fact. Mlpearc (open channel) 00:42, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
It may be "common knowledge" to you, and to other people of a certain age, level of education and/or nationality. However, per Verifiability: "[a]ll material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material." The verifiability of your statement was challenged by another editor, at which point the appropriate response is to cite a reliable source, not to posit an argument that "everybody knows this". Based on what you have said, it should be easy to find one. Dwpaul Talk 00:46, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
The T. E. Lawrence article states that he "earned international fame as Lawrence of Arabia, a title which was later used for the 1962 film based on his First World War activities." That sentence is not cited. Are you saying every single basic fact-- every single sentence-- on this article requires a citation? JoeM (talk) 00:49, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Just curious, are either you or Mlpearc familiar with who this person was? JoeM (talk) 00:52, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Please reread the paragraph quoted above. Also read WP:BURDEN. You are responsible for providing citations for content that you insert, whether or not other editors have done so in this or other articles. And yes, I am quite familiar with who T.E. Lawrence, a.k.a. Lawrence of Arabia, was. Again, it is not what you or I know that is the point. Dwpaul Talk 00:53, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Does every single fact on this cite require citations? This seems to be getting really pedantic to me. Do we need a citation in order to identify that Barack Obama is the president of the United States? Or how about the line in the Iraq article stating Iraq borders Turkey to the north? JoeM (talk) 01:10, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
You are wasting our time, and WP:FORUMSHOPping the question as you did here is not going to be constructive. The relevant Wikipedia policy has been quoted and linked for you above. If you refuse to understand it, continue to violate it at your own risk. Dwpaul Talk 01:14, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
JoeM Regarding WP:FORUMSHOPping an issue may simply be choice of words. You concluded "Could someone familiar with Lawrence chime in and explain that "Lawrence of Arabia" isn't some obscure reference?". There may have not been an issue had you said something like "Could someone familiar with Lawrence chime in and explain that "Lawrence of Arabia" isn't some obscure reference?". I am not saying that I have a full grasp on the subject but I think that this is a difference between opinion seeking and forum shopping. I still think that it is credible though that you went to a neutral location in this borderline seek/shop. Dwpaul, any other thoughts/clarification to help? JoeM an understanding of all these Wikipedia issues followed sincerely and not in any gaming of the system will ease the way for you in editing. See also Leading question. GregKaye 09:31, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Dwpaul WP:DFTT see ANI discussion Mlpearc (open channel) 01:17, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Gosh, will you two assume good faith? That was supposed to be a minor, helpful copyedit. As I stated on the ANI page, I am taking a break from making politically sensitive edits. I'd put back the line say the guy was 'a.k.a. Lawrence of Arabia' with a citation; but I think that would look silly. JoeM (talk) 01:24, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
JoeM Mlpearc and Dwpaul are fairly pointing out ideals.
The sad fact is that Wikipedia contains large quantities of erroneous information and it is of great help to other editors if contents can be readily and easily checked for accuracy of content.
It is certainly positive that you raise the issue for discussion in the talk page. You can know that related policies like WP:OR presents "For example: the statement "the capital of France is Paris" needs no source, because no one is likely to object to it and we know that sources exist for it. The statement is attributable, even if not attributed." In many cases information is more specific and in many cases will benefit from citation.
I do see a technical problem in regard to your edit here where you present, "T. E. Lawrence, more popularly known as Lawrence of Arabia,". To me this technically infringes WP:YESPOV and WP:ASSERT. You may well be and, IMO, are "probably" right in this point but it is important in talk pages and especially in article content, that we don't present opinion as fact. A less controversial edit might have been "T. E. Lawrence, regularly known as Lawrence of Arabia," or simply "T. E. Lawrence, also known as Lawrence of Arabia,". Its a small difference and even then a citation, as potentially found through a search on a term such as "was called Lawrence of Arabia" would provide confirmation. The revert presented an interpretation of good faith. I hope that these comments are well taken and would appreciate a reply regarding your take on the policy guidance contents mentioned. Thanks GregKaye 08:23, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Comment In a situation like this it may also back a case to present Ngram stats or to present Google searches (which I am now doing as they also relate to the discussion related to Mohammed Emwazi/Jihadi John).

"T. E. Lawrence" gets "About 3,680 results" in news
"T. E. Lawrence" gets "About 184,000 results" in books
"Lawrence of Arabia" gets "About 51,600 results" in news
"Lawrence of Arabia" gets "About 123,000 results" on books

Note, the presentation of this type of information may facilitate talk page discussion but citation remains preferable whenever practical in content. GregKaye 08:59, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi GregKaye, thanks for the post. ... Finally someone who gets it. ... Given what you've shown, how about changing the text to 'T.E. Lawrenece, widely known as Lawrence of Arabia...'? If you think that's a good idea, could you edit the text accordingly? I don't want to get blocked for a minor edit. :) JoeM (talk) 18:05, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi JoeM I edited as notably known, see edit. The edit was always fine, by whoever did it, as long as it didn't go beyond guidelines and had proven support. In hope that you are taking on the things said here and at AN/I and wishing you the best in your edits. However It might have been best if I had left you to do ti yourself. It might have helped with confidence. GregKaye 15:04, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Weight

Due weigth guideline states that a viewpoint may be included if it receives significant coverage. The three factions plus "autonomous" receive 326,000 google returns. The search returns for "Iraq" under google news have roughly half the articles speaking about such ethnic and sectarian divides. Buggeybagge look-a-like (talk) 23:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

A claim, added to an Encyclopedia that states "increasing speculation" and "theoretically called" isn't very Encyclopedic. Mlpearc (open channel) 00:07, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Grammar correction

The fragment "is often referred to as Mesopotamia is the world's oldest civilization" should be "is often referred to as Mesopotamia and it is the world's oldest civilization" Geekerest (talk) 00:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

"had risen to 11th place"

When it was previously numbered 7th, I think "had dropped" would be a more appropriate phrase. 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:C421:D27F:537:E61E (talk) 17:06, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Move discussion

A move discussion relating to this article is open at Kurdish languages' talk page. Khestwol (talk) 12:09, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Local Government in Iraq

Looking at the administrative divisions of Iraq, I see that there are provinces, districts, and subdistricts. But, does Iraq have municipal/local government for its cities and towns? Or are all settlements governed at the subdistrict and district level? There needs to be at least a sentence or two added onto the page about this if it is the latter. If it is the former, there needs to probably be an article on this, or at least a good paragraph of two detailing the aspects of municipal government in Iraq. There is a page of for List of cities in Iraq and List of places in Iraq, but they do not detail what exactly is being measured (i.e. settlements, urban areas, municipal council areas/local governments, etc...) --Criticalthinker (talk) 16:39, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Also known as Irak

Iraq is also called Irak. See http://www.thefreedictionary.com/irak . This should be mentioned at the beginning of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrincodi (talk • contribs) 21:40, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2015

Under the section titled "Middle Ages" it says, "The Arab Islamic conquest in the mid-7th century AD established Islam in Iraq and saw a large influx of Arabs and Kurds." Please change it to, "The Arab Islamic conquest in the mid-7th century AD established Islam in Iraq and saw a large influx of Arabs." The Kurds are indigenous to the region. They did not arrive with the Islamic conquest because they themselves were subjected to the Islamic empire. Please correct this error. Thank you. 152.75.205.29 (talk) 16:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Done That makes sense and is in line with the info in Kurds in Iraq. Thank you for pointing this out. --Cerebellum (talk) 12:15, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


İraqi Turkmens Unpo ,Twelve years after the fall of Saddam, Iraqi Turkmen are still fighting for their community's rights and survival

pronunciation section

The following...

"In English, it is either /ɪˈrɑːk/ (the only pronunciation listed in the Oxford English Dictionary and the first one in Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary) or /ɪˈræk/ (listed first by MQD), the American Heritage Dictionary, and the Random House Dictionary."

...is not a sentence. Maybe the close-parenthesis after "MQD" was meant to go after "Random House Dictionary"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.115.90.84 (talk) 19:15, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, In the Technology section subheading 'Mobile Phones' there is a passage: "Mobile phones were banned under Saddam's rule and the punishment of owning or using a mobile phone could be death.[citation needed]". This sentence is completely unfounded, as marked by the 'citation needed' disclaimer. However, the sentence remains and is harmful to the page. In my experience, I have found that, indeed, cell phone usage had been restricted under Hussein's rule, though no where have I found that 'owning or using a mobile phone could be death'. Perhaps those that had been using cell phones illegally to coordinate activities counter to the interests of the state could be deemed punishable, but if this is the case, it should be mentioned. This all becomes worse when you consider the following article:

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-life-in-iraq-was-like-under-saddam-hussein-2014-7

which states that, "Towards the end of the '90s, things began to look better. Saddam was sensing his end and he tried to make a few improvements in income and infrastructure. He even tried to introduce a controlled version of satellite TV and wireless cellphones. But alas, America struck again in 2003".

I find that the message in this article, 'that use was punishable with death' stems from an interested party. Not from objectivity. It is disheartening to read these things on this page, and it could really sway opinion unfairly. Therefore, I suggest that this idea be retracted from the sentence, while admitting that cell phone use was restricted.

I hope this is how the process is meant to work with editing? It is my first.

Thanks, Justin


Thewhiteship (talk) 12:25, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Done Removed the "punishable by death" bit, as I am assuming the other bit of the sentence is correct? Please re-open this if I am wrong. Thanks for pointing this out. --allthefoxes (Talk) 17:31, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2016

"Iran–Iraq relations have flourished since 2005 by the exchange of high level visits: Iraqi PM Nouri al-Maliki makes frequent visits, along with Jalal Talabani visiting numerous times, to help boost bilateral co-operation in all fields."

Makes should be made, right? Visits to where?

2601:44:500:2316:A1A9:1B39:7DA9:D997 (talk) 11:57, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Partly done: Given the context, it's clear the visits are to Iran. I added that in the sentence and changed "makes" to "made". However I also added a {{citation needed}} template to the sentence. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:28, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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Baathist period

Article washes down Baathist dictatorship and Saddam's tyrannical rule. Nowhere it mentions that the Baathist party was based on the Sunni minority that oppressed Shia majority and the Kurds. Article falsely claims that Saddam went to war with Iran because of Khomeini's supposed meddling in Iraq (where and when?), but remains silent completely on the Saddam's anti Iranian stance (Arabs vs Persians propaganda) before 1979, it omits Baathist Sunni persecution of Shia civilians and clerics prior to 1979, it omits the fact how Saddam met with Saudis on multiple occasions prior, during and after 1979. The article basically shows a "poor Saddam forced to go to war with Iran", moreover, it doesn't mention the fact that Saddam and his government launched a "faith campaign" where they planned on converting Iraq from a Shia majority country to the Sunni one. Saddam imported Saudi clerics and tried to sunnificate Iraq under the disguise of increased religiousility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Szalony Mnich (talk • contribs) 11:10, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Isis chemical weapon attacks on Iraqi settlement of Taza Turkmen

Iraqi Turkmen: Inside Taza Village after the Chemical Attacks The plight of Turkmen community in Iraq saw a dramatic downward shift when ISIS militants attacked the town of Taza with chemical warheads in early March 2016. The attacks killed a young girl, severely injured 800 civilians and caused thousands to flee their hometown. The ugly return of chemical weapons to Iraq on the 28th anniversary of the Halabja chemical massacre was narrated by the words of residents of Taza, documenting the dire conditions of the Iraqi Turkmen in no-man’s land. [1]

The Islamic State (Isis) have launched two devastating chemical attacks on the Iraqi town of Taza killing one three-year-old girl and injuring up to 600 people. The two strikes came just three days apart and were aimed at the town populated by ethnic Shia Turkmen.

Taza was struck by a barrage of rockets carrying chemical weapons on Wednesday, 9 March, and Saturday, 12 March, causing hundreds to flee the area with security forces and hospital staff scrambling to assist residents. The wounded are suffering from infected burns, suffocation and dehydration, according to health officials in the area. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.219.29 (talk) 12:40, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2016

Under the Ancient Iraq section, when referring to "the earliest known civilisation", there is a broken link for the text Sumerian Civilisation. In the next paragraph, the word Sumerians is correctly hyperlinked to the article for Sumer. I feel as though either the text referencing Sumerian Civilisation should have its hyperlink point to the same page, or be removed.

Arawde (talk) 21:50, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Done MediaKill13 (talk) 06:11, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

ISIS attack kerkük , Turkmeneli Tv terror

[3]

ISIS counterattacks in another district after campaign to take back Mosul begins ,An Islamic State force of more than 60 fighters staged a terrorist assault on Kirkuk, Iraq, early Friday morning that claimed the lives of 12 electricity workers, six policemen, and a Turkmen family of seven. [4]

Araz News: IS launched a wave of attacks in and around Kirkuk at dawn, in an apparent attempt to divert Iraqi security forces from their offensive against the militant-held city of Mosul, some 170 kilometers (100 miles) away.

A local television station says one of its reporters was killed by a sniper while covering clashes in the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk, where Islamic State militants have been battling Kurdish security forces for several hours.

The Turkmeneli TV station said in a news bulletin that Ahmet Haceroglu was killed Friday while covering the fighting.

Clashes were still underway, with gunfire ringing out and smoke rising over the city center.ISIS attacks Turkmen Iraq city of Kirkuk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.225.59 (talk) 07:22, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

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Local Government in Iraq

Could someone put in a subsection under "Administrative divisions" describing how local government works in Iraq? There isn't much said about municipalities in Iraq under the district level, which are analogous to counties. I see on Iraqi city pages that population figures and local government officials are often mixed up with those at the district level. Land area figures and boundaries are rarely ever described. This needs way more fleshing out. --Criticalthinker (talk) 18:35, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Since no one seems to have seen this on the administrative divisions of Iraq page, I thought I'd push it here and see if anyone will ever answer what seems should be a rather simple question. I've been pushing for someone who can read Arabic to do this for years, but the administratie divisions of Iraq need to really be fleshed out and made more clear. I realize the country isn't fully operating at all levels of government, but we can at least add how they theoretically function. Aside from the governorates and districts, I've been able to now find that there are subdistricts (nahya) which are further divided into boroughs (hay) in urban areas and county districts (mukata'a) in rural areas, which themselves can be divided into neighborhoods (mahallah) in urban boroughs and villages (qarya) in the rural county districts. If I can find this, I'm sure that someone with proficiency in Arabic can find out more about this and build this page up (and the pages for the corresponding divisions) in the same way most other page that deal with country administrative divisions do. It also needs to be made clear which level, here, is the local/municipal government level. I imagine it's the boroughs and villages level, but I can find very little information on that. And, aside from the special case of Baghdad, I'm not exactly sure how the other larger cities of the country (Mosul, Basra, etc...) are organized, at which level they are governed. In many countries, large cities can be organized/governed at a higher level. I imagine in Iraq that at least some of the cities are governed as a municipality all the way up to the subdistrict level at least. I have a good idea this is how the Baghdad is governed where the municipalities can include multiple subdistricts. --Criticalthinker (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2017

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. General Ization Talk 15:18, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

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Abbasid

Iraq was the "center" of the Abbasid empire and not "part" of it. In fact Baghdad was built by the Abbasids and was the capital of the empire. I hope someone corrects the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:4EE0:367:C99E:5B79:3168:F29 (talk) 19:05, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

I assume the section you are referring to is in the intro paragraphs? Being the center of the empire does not mean that saying it was part of the empire is incorrect. Only so much info can be included in the intro. All of the info you want corrected is already included in the Middle Ages section.
Resolved
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Municipal Government in Iraq

Through research over the years, I've been able to narrow down the administrative division hierarchy for the country with the first administrative division being governorates. These are then divided into districts, which are subdivided into sub-districts, which are finally subdivided into villages. These appear to be statutory. What I'm curious about, however, is whether or not urban settlements (towns and cities) have their own local government, and if they do 1. can the boundaries of these municipal towns/cities cross administrative division borders (district, sub-district, and village borders) and 2. what level do these municipal towns/cities exist whtin the administrative division hierarchy? That is to say which administrative divisional level are they subordinate to? I understand that Baghdad is something of a special case, so if anyone can use an example of an average-sized town or city that would be great. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:23, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Since no one helped I researched this further myself. It doesn't appear that there is municipal governance apart from the administrative divisions of the country. It appear that cities - which are usually district centers - are governed from whatever sub-district they are in, and for sub-districts that usually means a sub-district as the same name of the central or largest settlement. There are are further divisions beneath sub-districts: villages in rural areas and neighborhoods in urban areas, but I have to find the Arabic names for these types of divisions, again. I'll try and update the page to show what amounts of local governance in Iraq and how it's not a seperate layer/level from that of central administrative divisions. --Criticalthinker (talk) 03:15, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Map of Iraqi Kurdistan

Dear all, does anyone have sources to the borders depicted on the map of Iraqi Kurdistan? (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Iraqi_Kurdistan_in_Iraq_(de-facto_and_disputed_hatched).svg#filelink) The constitution does not name any "official" borders of the Kurdish region. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/12/AR2005101201450.html)Mae tewwg (talk) 14:16, 6 September 2017 (UTC)Mae_tewwg

Culture

The lead currently states: "Its painters and sculptors are among the best in the Arab world, some of them being world-class as well as producing fine handicrafts, including rugs and carpets."
I don't want to dispute this because it seems perfectly possible, but none of this is mentioned in the article and no source is provided for it. Either of the two would be necessary to keep it there. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 08:30, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Need to update caption

There's a caption under Section 2.8 (Iraq 2008-Present) that reads "The current military situation, June 11, 2017," yet the graphic was updated on Sept 1st. Sorry if I'm not making this talk discussion correctly. I'm no editor, just browsing for enrichment. 24.207.148.200 (talk) 20:32, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

New article created

After numerous discussions and consensus to create one, an umbrella article for the entire Iraq conflict (2003–present) has finally been created. However, it needs a great deal of work and I am seeking help in expanding it. Charles Essie (talk) 14:57, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2017

Administrative divisions Main article: Governorates of Iraq Iraq, administrative divisions - Nmbrs - colored.svg Iraq is composed of eighteen governorates (or provinces) (Arabic: muhafadhat (singular muhafadhah); Kurdish: پارێزگا Pârizgah). The governorates are subdivided into districts (or qadhas), which are further divided into sub-districts (or nawāḥī). Iraqi Kurdistan (Erbil, Dohuk, Sulaymaniyah) is the only legally defined region within Iraq, with its own government and quasi-official army Peshmerga.

Dohuk Nineveh Erbil Kirkuk Sulaymaniyah Saladin Al Anbar Baghdad Diyala Karbala Babil Wasit Najaf Al-Qādisiyyah Maysan Muthanna Dhi Qar Basra Fahadhilmi (talk) 16:11, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. JTP (talk • contribs) 01:04, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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Economy

According to the CIA Factbook, Iraq's GDP per capita (PPP) is currently at 17,200 $, which is higher than several European countries. However, the Economy section of this article lists a figure of only 4000 $, while citing that same CIA Factbook as a source. The unemployment rate (16%) is also lower than the figure listed (18-30%). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:65:E82E:C444:3131:B1DA:8C01:56B (talk) 20:59, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2017

The national anthem of Iraq is not Mawtini. Mawtini is an Arab song that is no anthem to no country. 5.30.60.32 (talk) 17:00, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  shivam (t) 18:31, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2018

Alhassanman (talk) 22:04, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

The word Iraq is an Arabic word and is not derived from Warkaa. This is a modern talk without evidence, while the old sources mention interpretations of the meaning of Iraq in the sense of the country with many rivers

 Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:34, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Does this need a reference?

"Culturally, Iraq has a very rich heritage and celebrates the achievements of its past in pre-Islamic times and is known for its poets. Its painters and sculptors are among the best in the Arab world, some of them being world-class as well as producing fine handicrafts, including rugs and carpets."

This seems like it needs something to back it up. Larx123 (talk) 15:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2018

The "God is the Greatest" isn't just for Islam, remove the Islam section, and Iraq is secular country, not Islamic, change it too, and the area isn't 437,072 km2 (168,754 sq mi), it's 438,317 km2 (169,235 sq mi), and the population is 40,000,000 in 2017 estimate(approximate number), thanks. Hussein N. Aboud (talk) 04:32, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. LittlePuppers (talk) 19:44, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

I suggest to edit these issues

{{ Iraq isn't an entire Arab country. I ask that this word be deleted from the description. and There is a Kurdish name in the other names of Iraq in the English Wikipedia? change it and add the name of Mesopotamia, and the cradle of civilizations, and in the template, the "God is the Greatest" motto isn't only for Islam, also need to be changed, and the religion of Iraq isn't just Islam, Type "secular" instead, and the area is 438,317 km2(169,235 sq mi), and the population is 40,000,000 in 2017(Approximate number), thanks. }} PhenomenaI (talk) 06:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Sam Sailor 10:22, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

"Irak" as alternative dated spelling

I think that Irak as an alternative, albeit dated, spelling should be mentioned on this article. --Bangalamania (talk) 12:33, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

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Coordinate error

{{geodata-check}}

The following coordinate fixes are needed for


—212.126.122.212 (talk) 12:33, 31 December 2018 (UTC) ؤ

You haven't explained what is wrong with the coordinates. (I've adjusted the coordinates of Baghdad to match those in the article on the city, but the coordinates of the country look OK to me.) If you still think that there is an error, please provide a clear explanation of what it is. Deor (talk) 16:36, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Need to add the Establishment like Egypt for example

Hello. I suggest that not only the Independence day from the United Kingdom should be written. I think the past should be added too like the establishment of Mesopotamia, the Islamic Arab conquest of Iraq, the Persian and Ottoman periods too! If you look at the Spanish Wikipedia page of Iraq you can see it well.

Thank you for reading! HDI2001 (talk) 19:19, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Iraq

Does anyone know how WikiProject Iraq became inactive and why it is still inactive? It's needed now more than ever since we are continuing to witness a truly historic period of Iraq's history. Not to mention the fact that the number of articles within the scope of WikiProject Iraq that are in need of work is astronomical. Can someone tell me what's going on? Charles Essie (talk) 22:16, 20 September 2018 (UTC) 


" change Independence from the United Kingdom

• Kingdom 3 October 1932 • Republic declared 14 July 1958 • Current constitution 15 October 2005 

to

• Ancient Mesopotamia (4000-539 B.C)

• Abbasid Caliphate (750-1258)

• British Mandate for Mesopotamia 25 April 1920

Independence from the United Kingdom • Kingdom 3 October 1932 • Republic declared 14 July 1958 • Current constitution 15 October 2005. "


Sources:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14546763

https://www.cemml.colostate.edu/cultural/09476/iraq02-01enl.html

https://libcom.org/history/1900-2000-iraq-timeline

https://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/iraq/iqtimeln.htm

https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297a/Iraq,%20Past%20Present%20Future.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hashoo89 (talk • contribs) 14:01, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


Hashoo89 (talk) 12:52, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:22, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) That section of the country infobox is only supposed to be about independence from foreign colonial rule, not the country's history prior to colonial rule. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:24, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

@KuyaBriBri Please explain why Egypt, Poland, Germany or other countries do have country‘s history prior! Look at Egypt! Iraq should have that too! Even the Spanish Wikipedia page of Iraq has it! Please look it up and think about it! Thank you. HDI2001 (talk) 19:24, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose to merge Talk:Republic of Iraq into Talk:Iraq. Because Republic of Iraq is only a redirect page for Iraq for a long time; Talk:Republic of Iraq is only a blank page from this talk page was created until now, I think it is a good idea to complete this page merger.
123.150.182.179
12:22, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Sovereignty and establishment

User:HDI2001, I would like clarity on your argument. Uniformity is a decent argument, but you haven't explained why you want to make it uniform with Poland as opposed to uniform with India. I also find your choices of countries odd. France and Japan have literally been around as a series of polities for over 1000 years. Korea is similar, with possible discussion over the post-1910 period. Even Poland is including past places called Poland. The two entries you've added here did not lead into Iraq at all. There are some country articles which do things poorly, but that isn't an argument to do things poorly here. CMD (talk) 16:19, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello. In general the Iraqis who live in Iraq are descendants from the Mesopotamians and of course the Arabs from the Abbasid Caliphate. And since Baghdad was the capital of the Caliphate one can say that the people at that time living in Iraq played an importance there. Moreover the „Mesopotamians“ never called themselves like that! They were Uruk. And Uruk and Iraq are the same word. Which means the region which consist todays Iraq. So Iraq existed long time in history independent too but was later part of the Persian, Ottoman and British Empire. Same like Korea and Poland which had a period of dependence. So I don‘t understand why Iraq is considered as new (1932). I mean South Korea is even something newer 1948 and Korea in general was unified before and isn‘t now. If you ask me I think the establishment of every country should contain the beginning. Sorry for my bad English. HDI2001 (talk) 17:25, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
If you want to have a list of each polity modern Iraqis had ancestors in, that would be quite extensive. I happen to agree with you on South Korea and Poland, but we are here not there. The beginning of Iraq is when it was carved out of the Ottoman Empire, it did not emerge from any particular polity that existed prior to that point. CMD (talk) 17:45, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Establishment of Iraq Opinion

Since in the last few days an edit war started because of different opinions on that if Iraq should have it‘s history in the info box section or not like other countries, I wanted to hear from other Wikipedia users too what they think about that. Some people believe that Ancient Mesopotamia and the Abbasid Caliphate are or aren‘t continuations of Iraq but since it was the same people who governed the countries in the history and nothing changed except the language and religions. I think the establishment should contain the history like other countries. HDI2001 (talk) 17:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

You didn't add a full history. You added just 2 entities out of the many that governed this area over thousands of years. These two would be presented with zero context or explanation for the reader. CMD (talk) 01:28, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Government and Politics

I think there is a simple error here in "Government and Politics"- the document says. 

 In 2018, according to the Failed States Index, Iraq was the world's eleventh most politically unstable country.[132][133] The concentration of power in the hands of Prime Minister 
 Nouri al-Maliki and growing pressure on the opposition led to growing concern about the future of political rights in Iraq.[134] Nevertheless, progress was made and the country had 
 risen to 11th place by 2013

This does not make sense. I think that where it says "In 2018...Iraq was the world's eleventh..." it means "In 2010...Iraq was the world's seventh" and where it says "risen to 11th" it means "fallen to 11th". Trbl0001 (talk) 09:58, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

You beat me to it. This is the third paragraph specifically. Geolodus (talk) 18:23, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2019

Iraq was not created after the first world war, instead a new king was appointed in 1920, Iraq is one of the oldest countries if not the oldest on the planet. The name Iraq came from old Sumerians Urouk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.50.142.75 (talk)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Map underneath the 'Administrative divisions' sub-heading needs to be made smaller

In my opinion, the map underneath the 'Administrative divisions' sub-heading needs to be made smaller as it is affecting the alignment of the text, making the article look unprofessional in my opinion. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 16:39, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Reversal of Official and Recognised Languages

It seems that the sections of regional official and merely recognised languages are switched, as Neo-Aramaic/Syriac (Assyrian) and Turkmen (Turkish) and Armenian are at a higher level constitutionally and legally than Persian, Shabaki, Mandaic, and other languages like Luri and Nawar, Cheers, ~~ Bulahyatain — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bulahyatain (talk • contribs) 17:46, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Official Languages

Kurdish is a minority official language, only Arabic is the official. Shoay (talk) 19:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

This is untrue, both Kurdish and Arabic are constitutionally recognised, Chees, ~~ Bulahyatain — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bulahyatain (talk • contribs) 17:47, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, thanks to Uncle Sam now a relatively functional state in the 1980s

is a thoroughgoing kleptocracy. I thought the section on the economy should have a least some material on the endless scams, hoists, rackets that affect every important tier of the economy. But it looks pretty life a WB euphemistic makeover. See Robert F. Worth, Inside the Iraqi Kleptocracy New York Times July 29, 2020 Nishidani (talk) 17:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Proposed edits to "Human Rights" Section

Hello! I believe the Human Rights section of this article could really benefit from some additions. As it stands, it does not provide a clear picture of the state of Human Rights in Iraq. I made some edits to the section and added key information that give a better broad picture of human rights in (modern day) Iraq. Here is what I propose the new section looks like:

The modern history of Iraq is filled with human rights abuses in direct violation of international law. Systematic discrimination against ethnic and religious groups is commonplace. In the late 1980’s the government of Iraq, led by Saddam Hussein, embarked on the [[|Anfal Genocide | genocidal al-Anfal Campaign]] against the Kurdish people living under their rule. In 2005, (as per a power-sharing stipulation in the 2003 constitution), Iraq elected its first Kurdish president. Despite historically poor relations, some progress has been made, such as Kurdish becoming an official language of Iraq alongside Arabic, according to article 4 of the constitution.[1] Furthermore, members of the Sunni Arab community are frequently targeted under the guise of combatting terrorism — 2016 reports of Sunni ethnic cleansing highlight the extent of the abuses.[2]

The 2003 invasion of Iraq caused the destruction of infrastructure and the eroding of institutions, catalyzing further sectarian conflict and contributing to ongoing human rights issues in the region.[3] As a result of the widespread corruption in the justice system, extrajudicial executions occur frequently and the torture of prisoners is routine. Enforced disappearances have also been a critical ongoing issue;[4] tens of thousands of Iraqi people have continuously searched for their family members who have gone missing as a result of the war. [5] It is impossible to accurately count the number of missing Iraqis, however, The International Commission on Missing Persons (ICMP), estimates the number to be between 250,000 and over one million.[6]

In addition, [[|LGBT rights in Iraq| LGBTQ+ rights in Iraq]] remain limited. Although officially decriminalized, homosexuality remains stigmatized in Iraqi society.[7] Targeting people because of their gender expression or sexual orientation is not uncommon and is usually carried out in the name of family honor. People who dress in an emo style are often seen as ‘displaying homosexuality’ and may suffer the same fate.[8] Investigations by the BBC and other western media in 2008 and 2009, including interviews of homosexual and transgender Iraqis, showed that violence against LGBTQ+ people has significantly increased since Saddam Hussein was toppled.[9] [10][11][12][13]

Freedom of speech and expression is also under grave threat in Iraq. As the deterioration of economic, cultural and social rights continues, the government responds to the demands of protestors with excessive force and accusations of terrorism.[14] During the [[|2019-20 Iraqi protests |most recent protests in Iraq]], reports have surfaced that “the security forces and militia are using tear gas, live rounds, machine guns, and bubble grenades to disperse the demonstrators,” according to the Geneva International Centre for Justice.[15]

Please comment your thoughts about these edits! Geneva International Centre for Justice (talk) 12:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Iraq/Languages Section

Hi!

I noticed that you discuss two languages as the main languages used in Iraq: Mesopotamian Arabic and Kurdish. Since you have a video of Mesopotamian Arabic but not Kurdish I figured I would post about a Kurdish video from Wikitongues! It is on Wikimedia Commons and the file name is File:WIKITONGUES- Mohamad speaking Kurdish.webm . I was thinking that it may be a good idea to add the Kurdish video to balance out the language section.

Thanks! Jessica Britt (talk) 05:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Please properly disclose your conflict of interest when making such suggestions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:36, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2021

37.239.92.55 (talk) 07:34, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 07:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Added a sentence about climate change in Iraq

I've just added a sentence, wikilink and reference about climate change in Iraq. Hoping that other page watchers agree with this. EMsmile (talk) 01:25, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

"100,000 conversions to Zoroastrianism"

source, please? --142.163.194.106 (talk) 00:00, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

 Removed. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:59, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2021

Hey,

Newest estimates of GDP (PPP) for Iraq should be set to 399,400 (mln $ int). Source - IMF October 2020 report (also included on the main wiki page for GDP PPP - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)): https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2020/October/weo-report?c=433&s=PPPGDP,&sy=2020&ey=2020&ssm=0&scsm=1&scc=0&ssd=1&ssc=0&sic=0&sort=country&ds=.&br=1

Mateusz Chiliński (talk) 14:33, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done Caius G. (talk) 20:24, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Kurdish population

The Kurdish population in Iraq is between 20 and 25% while the Turkmen population is around 5 - 7%— Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.115.232.230 (talk) 00:04, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Religion in Iraq

I am not an Iraqi or an Arab, but if we look at shia sunni numbers.. even looking at the references here.. there is a clear indication that shias in iraq cannot be mathematically more than 60%. See if we assume out of 20% Kurds, 18% are sunnies, out of 7 % turkmen 5% are sunnies, and out of all the iraqi arabs 25% are sunnies that makes 48% Sunnies in Iraq.. .. And i am considering very conservative numbers.. so how come 70% of Iraqies are shia.. with my estimation.. the shia barely makes a majority, while sunnies are almost the same. 101.50.109.42 (talk) 17:51, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

List of Empires Iraq has been part of

Since Iraq was a British mandate for 11 years shouldn't British be added to the list of empires?114.35.105.35 (talk) 03:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

See Mandate for Mesopotamia. Iraq's having being placed by the League of Nations under British administration from 1920-1932 by mandate did not make Iraq part of the British Empire. General Ization Talk 03:28, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Why is Neo-Mandaic not mentioned and excluded in the Neo-Aramaic hyperlink?

The article's infobox hyperlinks to Northeastern Neo-Aramaic for the Neo-Aramaic recognised minority languages of the Iraq, but Neo-Mandaic is also a Neo-Aramaic language of the Iraq so it's excluded here from the other Neo-Aramaic languages and I don't fully understand why. In addition I do not understand why only Mandaic, so Classical Mandaic, a purely liturgical language, is mentioned and linked in the article when to my understanding there are Neo-Mandaic speakers in Basra and Baghdad. Pari Sarcinator (talk) 16:18, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

1941 coup by Rashid Ali al Gaylani

The description of this coup seems somewhat superficial and fails to mention the pgroms that followed. The WSJ states: "On April 1, a pro-Nazi coup d’état overthrew the pro-British Iraqi government and seized power. The coup was staged by Rashid Ali al Gaylani, an Arab nationalist and former Iraqi prime minister, supported by four army generals, and aided by Fritz Grobba, a former German ambassador to Iraq." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carusus (talk • contribs) 12:51, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Typo in middle ages section

Hi, I don't know why I can't edit this document, but if someone could fix the extra space in the word "rate," that would be helpful. It reads "r ate" instead of "rate."

Gregwtmtno (talk) 03:08, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Done, and thanks for pointing it out. Sorry, some articles have a level of protection placed on them, mostly (I think) temporarily in response to a streak of disruptive edits by non-registered users or new account holders. Largoplazo (talk) 06:45, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2022

"Little changed under the Persians, having spent three centuries under Assyrian rule, their kings saw themselves as successors to Ashurbanipal, and they retained Assyrian Imperial Aramaic as the language of empire, together with the Assyrian imperial infrastructure, and an Assyrian style of art and architecture.[citation needed]" This should be removed as it lacks source and does not reflect the reality. 188.66.48.221 (talk) 13:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

 Partly done: I've retained the latter clause because it seems neutral enough and may be cites can be found. If you think that's also wrong, let know by reopening the request. Hemantha (talk) 03:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Spelling and research methodology

To say Sumeria is the earliest civilization but misspelled civilization two times makes me question research methods 2603:9008:1008:BCCC:7C0D:1391:8095:3D12 (talk) 13:50, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Are you referring to the spelling "civilisation"? That's the standard British spelling, and this article is tagged for British English to be used. In fact, I just changed additional instances of "civilization" to "civilisation" (though, of course, not in quoted materials or the titles of cited sources).
Besides that, many people are experts in scholarly fields without being good at spelling, just as many people are great at spelling while having little ability with math or history or geography. But, as I said, in this case the spelling was correct. Largoplazo (talk) 17:07, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 29 August 2018 and 22 December 2018. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): EmilyWysocki.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 23:09, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Misplaced mention of referendum?

The 2008–2018: Instability and ISIS section contains “The referendum was regarded as illegal by the federal government in Baghdad” but no referendum is introduced. Perhaps something was removed? —JTojnar (talk) 23:22, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks JTojnar, I have restored the contextual sentence. CMD (talk) 23:52, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Is Iraq the first civilization?

Yes, the areas in Iraq are the first areas in which people are concentrated. 

Assyrians. Babylon. Akkadian 37.237.46.16 (talk) 16:47, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Merger proposal

WP:SNOW closing this, which is obviously not going to happen. CMD (talk) 02:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I propose merging Kurdistan Region into Iraq. Same region and I think the content in Kurdistan Region can easily be explained in the context of Iraq, and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in Kurdistan Region. Futebul (talk) 10:47, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose for obvious reasons. This is the article for the autonomous Kurdistan Region. --Semsûrî (talk) 10:52, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Comment: the autonomous region can also be explained in the article of Iraq since both are in the same region and the Kurdistan Region is also a part of Iraq. Futebul (talk) 10:55, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
With that logic Catalonia and all other autonomous regions of Spain should be merged in the Spain. Your argument is non-sensical to be honest. --Semsûrî (talk) 10:56, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Comment I suspect that Futebul is the same as 37.25.114.67 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) who days ago redirected the Kurdistan Region article to Iraq. This is a case of NOTHERE. --Semsûrî (talk) 11:00, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Oppose as per common sense.Moxy- 12:22, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Oppose per Semsûrî. Imperator Storm (talk) 23:45, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2022

The final sentence of the lead seems bloated and difficult to read, and should either be removed or reworded.

I would suggest changing: "The present era has seen further growth and steadier international investment under the multipartite system incepted in 2005 then a major decline in factional domestic, almost randomised, attacks besetting Iraq during and around the time of the US military presence, however recurrent failure to agree working government between members of parliament has been accompanied by politically motivated violence against government institutions, and sometimes beyond."

to

"Since the inception of the current multipartite system in 2005, the country has seen further growth and steadier international investment, and a major decline in factional domestic attacks. However, recurrent failures to form a working government by members of parliament have been accompanied by politically motivated violence against government institutions." Battle1368 (talk) 17:07, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Thank you very much! —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 07:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2022

The HDI ranking says "121rd" so you should probably change that to "121st". 72.201.21.239 (talk) 19:39, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done RudolfRed (talk) 20:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2022

PROPOSING EDIT TO: 4. Government and politics, Third paragraph

This section probably needs an entire rewrite but for now let's correct the more obvious factually incorrect mistakes and grammar.

Also, after reading the "Failed States Index 2010" website, I'm hesitant to use the descriptor "most politically unstable" country. The Failed States Index country ranking utilizes twelve indicators across three different categories: social, economic, and political. Clearly they're taking more into account than just political instability for this ranking. Additionally, they've since renamed it the "Fragile States Index", see: https://fragilestatesindex.org/global-data/ where Iraq now ranks 23rd.

ORIGINAL:

In 2008, according to the Failed States Index, Iraq was the world's eleventh most politically unstable country.[199][200] The concentration of power in the hands of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and growing pressure on the opposition led to growing concern about the future of political rights in Iraq.[201] Nevertheless, progress was made and the country had risen to 11th place by 2013.[202]

PROPOSED EDITED VERSION:

In 2010, as part of the Failed States Index survey which ranks countries most at risk of becoming failed states, Iraq ranked just seventh in the world. The concentration of power in the hands of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and growing pressure on the opposition led to mounting concerns over the future of political rights in Iraq.[201] Nevertheless, progress has been steady and the country has since fallen to 23rd place, as of 2022.[replace 202 with link to latest Fragile States Index 2022 from above]

Lastly, the next sentence "In August 2014," should really be the start of a new paragraph. BulldogPunch (talk) 06:18, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done RealAspects (talk) 13:08, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Name cities and towns in Iraq

Name cities and towns in the country I Iraq 2600:4040:A793:9700:AD3E:B07D:EE26:6B19 (talk) 22:22, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Iraq — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.244.155.203 (talk) 17:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Summarizing post-invasion Iraq in the lead.

We need to summarize post-invasion Iraq in the lead; we currently have two large sections devoted to it in the article, which should probably have at least a sentence in the lead summarizing them, maybe a sentence each. The lead is already pretty big, but one or two sentences for such large sections seems like the bare minimum. --Aquillion (talk) 04:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Dissolving article ‘Democracy in Iraq’

I’ve noticed fundamental (encyclopedical) problems in the existence of article Democracy in Iraq. It seems to me, that in the interest of a good (surveyable etc.) Wikipedia, that article should be dissolved, replacing its parts and elements to the encyclopedically logical and correct places in Wikipedia.
Since you colleagues here on this talk page presumably are interested in ‘encyclopedically good’ presenting the information pertaining to Iraq, I invite you to have a look at that discussion at Talk:Democracy in Iraq#Dissolving the article, too. Warning: As my posting overthere explaining my proposal is rather long, (thus tiring,) perhaps you shouldn’t go there if you’re tired or hardly interested. --Corriebertus (talk) 21:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

"Third Iraqi Republic" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Third Iraqi Republic has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 16 § Third Iraqi Republic until a consensus is reached. Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 13:15, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-Protected edit request October 16 2023

Government and politics paragraph 3:

In 2008, according to the Fragile States Index, Iraq was the world's eleventh most politically unstable country.[194][195] The country had fallen to 27th place by 2023.[196]

'fallen to' should be 'risen to'.

Yes, the source document says its stability in 2023 had dropped from 2022, but 'fallen' in this paragraph reads as if it's referring to the country's state in 2008. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.26.70 (talk) 12:49, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done. References 194 & 195 are for the 2010 index, so I changed that. I also changed "had fallen to" to the more neutral "was ranked in". GoingBatty (talk) 13:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Number of districts

The number of districts in iraq is 18. The city of Halabja is not declared as a district by the iraqi government. Thank you 37.236.252.84 (talk) 16:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 19:21, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Editing disputes

For a while, this article has been a subject of long-term editing disputes and vandalism, mainly by people that adhere nationalistic views, I would like to see present these disputes and see them get resolved with proper citations.

The 1st dispute is the inclusion of Kurdish native name in the infobox, it should definitely be included since Kurdish is one of the two official languages of Iraq (the other being Arabic), and is used in many in many official documents and departments across Iraq. It is visible on the cover page of passport, ID Cards, Driving licenses, and many other documents. The Kurdish native name is also used on the official website of Iraq presidency, and the official constitution on the Council of Representatives of Iraq website lists the official name in Kurdish too. Some editors have removed this part from infobox due to lack of citations, yet most other nations like Sudan, Germany, and Cuba lack citations for official name in the infobox.

The 2nd dispute is regarding the number of number of governorates in the first paragraph of the article, this dispute is centered around the recognition of Halabja Governorate, I have covered this issue in Talk:Governorates_of_Iraq#Regarding_Halabja_Governorate with many sources, and the best way to handle this is either to mention that Iraq "consists of 18 governorates", or "consists of 19 governorates, 1 of which is partially recognized". I would like to see sources that disprove my point.

The 3rd dispute is about Iraq being an Arab country, it is no doubt that Arabs form the absolute majority of Iraq's population, but to call the entirety of Iraq an Arab country is absolutely misleading since other minorities have noticeable presence too, and one of the goals that US set for 2003 invasion of Iraq was to get rid of Pan-Arabist Ba'athist elements, and the new constitution in 2005 regards Iraq mentions that "The Republic of Iraq is a single federal, independent and fully sovereign state in which the system of government is republican, representative, parliamentary, and democratic, and this Constitution is a guarantor of the unity of Iraq.", and "Islam is the official religion of the State and is a foundation source of legislation". The editor that supports this claim used the list of League of Arab States as a reference,(1) but the same list also includes Somalia and Comoros, which only have Arab minorities and can in no way be regarded as Arab nations. The other sources appear to be cherrypicked just to support this claim,(2)(3) and are in no way official or related to Government of Iraq.

The 4th dispute is about accurate demographics of Iraq, a certain editor pushes the percentage from 80% Arabs + 15% Kurds + 5% Other minorities (incl. Turkmen) = (100%) to 80% Arabs + 15 % Kurds + 9-13% Turkmen + 5% Other minorities = (109%/113%). The source of the first claim is official estimate in 1987 by Iraqi government, and is listed in The World Factbook by FBI.(4) According to the same site: "no more recent reliable numbers are available". The other source relies on Minority Rights Group International, which appears to be a small organization with no resources to get an accurate estimation of Iraqi demographics, the same source mentions that "Due to the lack of a reliable census, all population figures are approximate".(5)

I consider this to be the preferred version of this article that doesn't conflict with any of the claims I presented, and I would like to see the editors involved in recent edits make objection to my claims in this talk page, or show support if desired. If this escalates I will open a request for comment, and request the article protection status to be increased to extended confirmed, which I myself do not have. Lolekek (talk) 18:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Federal Parliamentary Republic

I cannot confidently say which placement is ideal, nor do I intend to make any change by myself, but I wish to address that it seems a bit redundant to state twice in the opening of the article that Iraq is a federal parliamentary republic. Ferocious Flying Ferrets 14:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2024

The word "reserves" is currently misspelled as "resrves" in the last paragraph of the introductory section. I believe that sentence is also missing a "the" to change "Iraq has third largest oil resrves in the world after Venezuela and Saudi Arabia." to "Iraq has the third largest oil reserves in the world after Venezuela and Saudi Arabia." SankaMII (talk) 21:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Iraq has third largest oil resrves in the world after Venezuela and Saudi Arabia.

 Done Largoplazo (talk) 22:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Article size

Is it time to condense the article? Per Xtools it's over 14,000 words; when I pasted the text contents into Word, it reported over 15,000. WP:Article size suggests that past 9,000 words condensation is worth considering, and that past 15,000 it probably ought to be done. My own rule of thumb is that it's time to chop an article down when the browser freezes on me repeatedly when I try to edit it on my laptop (Chrome on Windows 10) and I have to switch to source editing. That just happened to me here. Largoplazo (talk) 18:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Spelling mistake

Civil war is misspelt as civial war. My account's not old enough to fix it. Isaachhh (talk) 22:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks. Largoplazo (talk) 22:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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