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I was just going to start up the page and tag it as stubs... what's wrong with it?

O, and in case you haven't know, Han-wu MEANS Korean Beef. It does not affiliate with any companies or promotions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrlie3 (talk • contribs) 00:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, speedy deletion template will be removed in a few minutes. Alexius08 is welcome to talk about his contributions. 00:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I already removed the speedy tag (you made this comment right as I was doing that). However, I'm not sure why this article would by necessary, especially in its current form. It just seems like something that would fit better as a one sentence note in Korean cuisine or something similar (since, as you say, it MEANS Korean Beef, and it's not a special dish or something, as far as the current article tells me). - Bobet 00:20, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Han-wu is considered more as a gift and occasional treats in Korea, rather than simple ingredients or cuisine. If you go to any website that exclusively sells Han-wu like this random one from google (http://adhanwoo.co.kr/) you will see what I mean. I was just trying to point out a particular Korean culture about Korean beef. (Funny thing is only beef has this trend - we don't do gift with pork or chicken :D) If you still feel it would be just one sentence under Korean Cuisine, fine by me, but you gotta do the work - mrlie3

I just don't know how much further one can expand this article. It's usually not a good idea to have several really short articles about stuff that could just as easily be mentioned in a larger article, since that way more people would see the actual information contained within. If you think there's room for expansion here though, that's fine with me, it's just a suggestion. - Bobet 00:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone get a picture of copyright-free Han-wu gift set? Most of google images are specific products from specific companies so I don't think I can use them. - mrlie3

The Han-u article mostly contains information that is not cited. Along with that, the language of the article represents more of a personal opinion rather than information based on facts. Lastly, the one reference that is contained within the article was mistranslated into English and the language of the article is also questionable in itself due to wordage that can be viewed as bias. Haibyungdai (talk) 13:27, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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merged

Merged two nearly identical articles. If y'all prefer the old name (Hanwu), and can't move it there, please let me know. kwami (talk) 09:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Best name?

Currently, this article is at Han-u. Commons has a category commons:Category:Hanwu (Hawnu is a red link). And Hanu redirects here. Should we perhaps rename/move this to Hanu? We need to standardize the name here with Commons category. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 07:29, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Hanyangprofessor2: The correct revised romanization would be Hanu. However, Hanwoo is commonly used in Korea. --Christian140 (talk) 15:29, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Considering how common the spelling Hanwoo is, even in literature (Google scholar), I moved the page to "Hanwoo". As said before, Hanu would be the spelling by the official romanization system of South Korea. Hanwu is Yale Romanization that actually no one uses anymore. --Christian140 (talk) 21:44, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Without prejudice against another larger discussion later, it's pretty clear that the present proposal has enough evidence and opinions against it, after the first closer's revert of his close and relisting, that this must be closed as no consensus. (non-admin closure) Dicklyon (talk) 01:41, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hanwoo → Hanu – "Hanu" is the spelling by both McCune–Reischauer and Revised romanization of Korean. Also, the "Korean beef festival" held in Hoengseong is called Hoengseong Hanu Festival. The word "hanu" is also used in English(US/UK) articles: (US) (UK) —Ityoppyawit (talk) 04:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Fuortu (talk) 16:22, 5 January 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Brad v 02:22, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Hanu per above and korean.go.kr Sawol (talk) 08:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support the proposal per nom ("Hanwoo" would be 한워오) but wouldn't RR use Han-u with a hyphen to disambiguate it from 하누 (ha-nu)? — AjaxSmack 01:16, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- According to Korean Romanization Converter by PNU Artificial Intelligence Lab., it's "han-u" only when assuming Hangul is restored(e.g. academic applications). Otherwise, it's "hanu". —Ityoppyawit (talk) 07:02, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Maybe one saw it in the post above, I recently moved the page from Han-u to here. Hanwoo is much more common in the literature and also in Korea. For the festival, there seems to be no official English title. Since KTO is a government organization, they are advised to use RR if there is no English official name. It's simply like this: either decide for the "official" one or for the more common one. In Korean restaurants, if there is an English menu, you most likely will read Hanwoo and not Hanu. --Christian140 (talk) 21:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- But is the "more common" form common? All the romanized forms seem to occur rarely in English. In this case the title of this Wikipedia article might even help a form gain or lose popularity. I saw that Lonely Planet Korea uses "hanu". In general, books seem to prefer "hanu", and restaurants(especially ones in the US), blogs(especially ones based on the US), and other more casual media/non-media sources seem to prefer "hanwoo". From my standpoint (as a Korean speaker), "hanu" better grasps the pronunciation of the Korean word "한우", since [w] is not what I pronounce when I say the word. English speakers do tend to pronounce the [w] when they see it written there. --Ityoppyawit (talk) 11:06, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The festival's official English name is "Hoengseong Korean Beef Festival" and "Hoengseong Hanu Festival". This is the official website, and this is an official video of the festival. They use "Hoengseong Korean Beef Festival" and "Hoengseong Hanu Festival". --Ityoppyawit (talk) 11:12, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment - I've reverted my close to allow more discussion because 'Hanwoo' looks like the common name and we use the name that is commonly used in reliable sources as the article title. Fuortu (talk) 16:22, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per Christian140. As I wrote below, there seems to be no doubt about what is the WP:COMMONNAME for this breed in reliable sources. Scholar comparison: "hanu cattle" -hanwoo, 2 hits; "hanwoo cattle" -hanu, 637 hits. Please note (1) I did a different search from Christian140 because of the difficulty of eliminating people named "Hanu" from the results (2) I don't speak Korean and (3) I would always favour the best and most authentic transliteration if there was no established usage in English; but that just isn't the case here. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:20, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Books use Hanwoo (or Korean cattle). Articles use Hanwoo as well. This source doesn't mention beef or cattle. This source uses both terms. Therefore, "hanwoo" should be used. George Ho (talk) 00:22, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Mistaken move?

Hmm, the recent move seems to have been a mistake. There seems to be no doubt about what is the WP:COMMONNAME for this breed in reliable sources. Scholar comparison: "hanu cattle" -hanwoo, 2 hits; "hanwoo cattle" -hanu, 637 hits. Fuortu, would you consider undoing your close here to allow a bit more discussion? (I'm not going to start a new move discussion in any case, this kind of thing just isn't important enough). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:58, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved — Amakuru (talk) 10:46, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hanwoo → Hanu – Non-standard spelling to standardized spelling. Currently a redirect. 2600:8806:6400:3220:C5B4:344A:7884:6888 (talk) 23:41, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). -- Dane ^talk 04:01, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Should be discussed per the last move discussion that ended in no consensus just under a year ago. -- Dane ^talk 23:50, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as before, for exactly the same reasons (second-last entry in § Requested move 24 December 2016). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 07:37, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as before, and again for exactly the same reason, English uses Hanwoo beef In ictu oculi (talk) 08:26, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Hanu is correct about the Korean cattle 한우. Sawol (talk) 13:41, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support per romanizations suggested by National Institute of Korean Language (in food names such as hanu-chadolbagi, hanu-yukhoe-bibimbap, hanu-beoseot-saengbulgogi, hanu-tteok-galbi, hanu-kkotdeungsim, hanu-galbi-tang, hanu-galbisal, hanu-modum, haemul-hanu-deungsim-dolpan-gui). Some of them are also listed in the Standardized Romanizations and Translations (English, Chinese, and Japanese) of (200) Major Korean Dishes by NIKL. --Sotaque (talk) 17:02, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME as demonstrated in responses to the last move request. If Revised Romanization failed to gain acceptance in the real world for discussion of a certain topic, "standardization" is not a valid reason to demand that Wikipedia use RR for that topic. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 18:59, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for the same reason we use Hanoi instead of "Hà Nội" or Chiang Kai-shek instead of "Jiang Jieshi". Academicoffee71 (talk) 02:51, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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