Talk:Firefighting in the United States

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IAFF Biased

I find much of this article biased to the point of view of the International Association of Fire Fighters. There is very little mention to the contribution of the volunteer firefighters in the United States. Contrary to the claim in the article the International Association of Fire Fighters is not the representative of the volunteer fire fighter in the United States. "The American firefighters are represented and united in the International Association of Fire Fighters with the headquarters in Washington, D.C. . Finally the article seems to divide the United States into urban areas covered by career firefighters and rural areas covered by volunteer firefighters. There is no mention of the suburban areas covered by volunteer fire companies and mixed (volunteer and career firefighters). The article makes no mention of the services provided by the modern day volunteer firefighter.

Bmfc27 (talk) 18:45, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There appears to be very little movement, or change, regarding this concern. If others feel this concern is still relevant please re-add the tag. In the mean time, I will be bold and remove the tag.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:32, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The referenced statement is biased, but it can easily be corrected by stating that "union" firefighters are represented by the IAFF. It should also state that not all paid firefighters are union. Please take care to not state professional firefighters in lieu of paid firefighters. Most states require volunteers to meet minimum standards for training and certification. Consequently, there are hundreds of thousands of professional volunteers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckwilliams1 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Professional Volunteers

"Professional volunteer" is an oxymoron. A volunteer by definition is an amateur and is not a professional. Also people keep saying that the requirements for paid and volunteer firefighters are the same, which is not the case many places in the US. In NYS, for example paid firefighters are required to have 229 hours of training to start and 100 per year after that. Volunteer firefighters are not required by law to have any training, at all. http://www.nysegov.com/citguide.cfm?ques_id=1011&superCat=36&cat=37&content=relatedfaqs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.74.102.180 (talk) 21:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC) That's actually not true and you're using a link pertaining to one state that doesn't even provide information to your arguement. Every state is different. The same can be said for volunteer EMS.[reply]

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Conflict of Information

I have noticed some conflict of information on the ranks, by looking at Chicago Fire Department. It might just be wording used but I read this page as saying a Battalion Chief and District Chief are equal ranks, yet on the Chicago page District Chief is of a higher rank. I say this because of reading this "Additional chief grades usually exist between chief and battalion chief; usual insignia is 3 or 4 crossed gold bugles or 3 or 4 stars. Common titles include district chief, division chief, assistant chief, and deputy chief. Chief is usually the highest rank of a uniformed member in any given department, traditionally shown with 5 gold bugles or 5 stars". What this doesn't mention are ranks in large cities like Chicago with Fire Commissioners. Yikmo21 (talk) 09:27, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]