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Ferry

The current wording suggests that the ferry service started only in 2007, which is clearly not the case. --rossb (talk) 20:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edited - is it any better now? talk

Hayling Island Railway

I presume the reference is to the East Hayling Light Railway. But can someone explain the point about scale wheels? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ross Burgess (talk • contribs) 08:42, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Locomotives

Edited - gradual improvements made to locomotive details - More to come Willsmith3 01:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Request Stops

Hi I'm adding detail to railway stations on OpenStreetMap. Are any of Fairbourne Railway's request stops? --Dave F63 (talk) 13:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Current dual gauge track

The railway has mentioned and shared photographs of a 12¼ inch/15 inch dual gauge track on its official Facebook group along with an appeal for donations towards an extension in 2016.^[1] However, there is no mention of this on their official website and the railway has no official You Tube channel, although it has official groups on Facebook and Instagram advertised on its website, and I have not been able to find any reports on this in any mainstream media which makes it difficult to cite reliable sources for its existence. The closest I can find is the latest Google Street View, taken in December 2022, with a stop sign for 15 inch trains short of Car Park crossing (after departing Fairbourne station).^[2] After searching through You Tube videos of steam galas, which the railway advertises as having 15 inch gauge visitors,^[3] I found a video of the 2016 gala posted by preservedrailway in which what appears to be a 15 gauge train with a locomotive at both ends, one of them "Katie" which is of this gauge, stops and reverses starting at 19:55 into the video.^[4] The buildings in the background are recognisable from Google Street View as being between Fairbourne station and Springfield crossing suggesting the dual gauge track's termininus at the time before the extension advertised as taking place during the winter of 2016/17. Also, according to List of Fairbourne Railway rolling stock the A1-1A PH 15 inch gauge locomotive Sylvia (rebuilt and renamed Lilian Walter in 1985) is currently on the Fairbourne so it would not be able to run there without a dual gauge track unless it is just on static display. In response to potential questions about reliable sources, one may remember the publicity over Wikipedia's deprecation on the use of the Daily Mail newspaper as a reference (often incorrectly reported as a "ban") with the following exceptions: if there is not a more reliable source available and if it is for information about the Daily Mail itself. Tk420 (talk) 21:31, 4 June 2023 (UTC)-edited[reply]

I have since checked Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources for its position on You Tube (see WP:RSPYT) and it is listed as "generally unreliable" (as opposed to "deprecated" like the Daily Mail) but states "Most videos on YouTube are anonymous, self-published, and unverifiable, and should not be used at all. Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability. However, many YouTube videos from unofficial accounts are copyright violations and should not be linked from Wikipedia, according to WP:COPYLINK. See also WP:YOUTUBE and WP:VIDEOLINK". Considering Wikipedia seems to be less against the use of You Tube than the Daily Mail we could consider following a similar rule if there are no more reliable sources available. I also checked the same article for Wikipedia's stance on Google Maps (including Street View) (see WP:GOOGLEMAPS) and it is listed as "No consensus" and states "Google Maps and Google Street View may be useful for some purposes, including finding and verifying geographic coordinates and other basic information like street names. However, especially for objects like boundaries (of neighborhoods, allotments, etc.), where other reliable sources are available they should be preferred over Google Maps and Google Street View. It can also be difficult or impossible to determine the veracity of past citations, since Google Maps data is not publicly archived, and may be removed or replaced as soon as it is not current. Inferring information solely from Street View pictures may be considered original research. Note that due to restrictions on geographic data in China, OpenStreetMap coordinates for places in mainland China are almost always much more accurate than Google's – despite OpenStreetMap being user-generated – due to the severe distortion introduced by most commercial map providers. (References, in any case, are usually not required for geographic coordinates.)" This makes it sound like Street View would be a reliable source for confirming the existence of the dual gauge track although the stop sign for 15 inch gauge trains is only legible after zooming in. I have also checked the same article for Wikipedia's stance on Facebook (see WP:RSPFACEBOOK) in which it is labelled as being "Generally unreliable" and states "Facebook is considered generally unreliable because it is a self-published source with no editorial oversight. In the 2020 RfC, there was consensus to add an edit filter to warn users who attempt to cite Facebook as a source, and no consensus on whether Facebook citations should be automatically reverted with XLinkBot." However, there is no mention on the use of the official groups of reliable sources like with You Tube. By the sound of it, Google Street View would be the most reliable source for the existence of the dual gauge track, in the absence of a more reliable source, as long as the stop sign for 15 inch gauge trains is legible. Tk420 (talk) 21:54, 8 July 2023 (UTC)-edited[reply]

References

^ "Dual Gauge extention November 2016". Facebook. Retrieved 1 June 2023.
^ "Beach Road, Fairbourne, December 2022". Google Street View. Retrieved 1 June 2023.
^ "2023 Steam Gala timetable". Facebook. Retrieved 1 June 2023.
^ "Fairbourne Railway - A Centenary of Steam". You Tube. Retrieved 4 June 2023.

[1] "Dual Gauge extention November 2016". Facebook. Retrieved 1 June 2023.

[2] "Beach Road, Fairbourne, December 2022". Google Street View. Retrieved 1 June 2023.

[3] "2023 Steam Gala timetable". Facebook. Retrieved 1 June 2023.

[4] "Fairbourne Railway - A Centenary of Steam". You Tube. Retrieved 4 June 2023.

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