Talk:Dude

Doody

A man; a guy (often as a form of address), however as of recently this word can be gender neutral, can refer to the best of luck & of the lads due to team siren having a change of scenery and thinking that Lesley is superior, however dude is now gender neutral and when using the term "Good Luck Dudes", it can refer to females also.

Dudes

Finally a page about us. Hello Dudes. [No wait, it's Hey Dudes. Haha funny XD.] -by another user

Dudette

As an English suffix -ette forms diminutives e.g. cigar/cigarette, statue/statuette kitchen/kitchenette etc. and is viewed as implying inferiority when used to designate a feminine role in nouns, while the suffix -ess is used to form distinctly feminine nouns: A female member of the indicated group e.g. lion/lioness, prince/princess etc. This should be mentioned in the article. --User:Rinon 11:57, 23 December 2014 (AEST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.17.9 (talk)

References

Sentences that are not necessary

The sentence "Dude," can also be referred to as "mate," or "bro," is really not necessary. It is the same as "Dude" and is considered to be slang, similar to the phrase "man."--Tomvasseur (talk) 17:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)--

Origin

/* Origin */ Baroness Dudevant was a writer in the 19th century a.k.a. George Sand. She famously dressed as a man publicly in Parisian society. She was quite a dude non? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.172.42.149 (talk) 00:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone have a reference for 'dude' being an alteration of 'doodle' from 'Yankee Doodle'? This certainly sounds plausible to me, but both dictionaries I have checked claim unknown origin. Also, any insight into how the 'dude' of 'dude ranch' in the early century became the 'dude' or 'surfer dude' in the 60's would be greatly appreciated. Did 'dude' ever make an appearance in 'ebonics' (afro-amer. english)? Also, a dudett is a hair on the elphants butt.

Though the definitive origin of "dude" is unknown, one popular theory suggests that it was a combination of "duds"; another word for the attire of these early hipsters, and "attitude"; their disposition to go along with the clothes. "Duds" -> "'tude" -> "dude" I haven't deleted this, but 'tude derives as pop slang from attitude in its late 1970s meaning. This is a fantasy invention of very recent coinage. Could it be removed or take a less prominent position? But if "tude" is a familiar and obvious coinage from "attitude," why is "dude" from the macaronic "Doodle" only plausible? Wetman 09:19, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Am I the only one who think the 'metrosexual' reference is completely spurious? It is not the same thing, and seem out of place. The Trolls of Navarone 19:33, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The new word metrosexual seems to be exactly what the word dude meant before it took on its current, rather new (later than 1960, probably) colloquial meaning. I was surprised at how this article began before I edited it a few minutes ago; it's as if it was written by people who only grudgingly admit that the word existed before it took on its new meaning. Michael Hardy 22:07, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Wetman on Revision as of 01:14, 19 Jan 2005 while making some really excellent formatting, grammatic, and phrasing changes also added the unsupported assertion that "all connotations of dude as used on Wayne's World The dude is male. Even its current usage, it has not crossed the gender barrier". This is factually incorrect, unsupported by any documentation or references, and completely ignoring mainstream usage. I updated the page, creating a new section called "Crossing the Gender Barrier", which discusses and documents--with references--the way the word dude has evolved to apply across gender. Madcowan 20:58, 7 April 2005 (UTC)

I heard that it's somehow related to word that means horse's hair.

I read in the HIGH SCHOOL DICTIONARY that the word dude means- a hair on an elaphant's butt! and Duddett means- a hair on a Zebra's butt! -JeCa- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.52.74.128 (talk) 22:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC) ...

The earliest citation in the article is Putnam's Magazine in 1876, based on a reference in St. Nicholas Magazine two decades later. However, Putnam's Magazine wasn't published in 1876. So there seems to be an error at some point in that chain. ADDENDUM: Found the actual reference in the February 1870 issue of Putnam's. It uses "dud" with the meaning of "dowd" rather than what became "dude." Two 1870s uses of "dude" with clear connections to the meaning established in 1883 are in A. F. Mulford's memoir "Fighting Indians in the 7th U.S. Cavalry" and Frederic Remington's letters.

The Endless Summer

The endless summer features the year long globe-hopping surf trip of Robert August and Michael Henson. It features the music of The Sandals not The Beach Boys.

The confusion must be over The Beach Boys album entitled "Endless Summer".

A Riff on

Don't the various uses of "dude" here apply to any noun or pronoun referring to a specific person? (e.g. "John?", "sir!")

Dude? Naw, dude. I mean, dude. In all seriousness, "Dude" can be used in ways that similar words like "Sir" cannot. There are a whole host of meanings that the word "dude" can take on, especially in California English, that are fully codified by inflection and body language, even if the specifics aren't fully spelled out anywhere. For example, "Dude! That was awesome!" can be rewritten as "All right! That was awesome!" but not as "Sir! That was awesome!" At the same time, "Excuse me, sir," can also be expressed as "Sorry, dude," or even "Dude," but not as "Excuse me, all right." So, although body language can change the meaning of a word considerably, "dude" is among the most flexibly usable of them. InVinoVeritas 08:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC) when they say it is a piece of hair on a elephant butt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.115.39.80 (talk) 14:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Vandal!

IP: 70.88.99.245 edited "DUDE ALSO REFERS TO THE HAIR ON A MALE ELEPHANTS TESTICLES" into the Dude article and "BUY IT AT IVERSON'S LUMBER IN MILFORD, MI WE'LL BEAT YOUR BEST PRICE" into Weatherbest. --Head of the Caligula Appreciation Society 02:44, August 4, 2005 (UTC) they says it on a elephants butt andpeople make fun of that because people think it is funny what if you were a elephant and they made fun of you would you like them making fun of you then dont make fun of them and no one will make fun of them anymore so if somebody tel;ops you about it dont start laughing and dont tell anyone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.115.39.80 (talk) 14:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation

I'm French and never heard anyone saying it, so I asked a few of my American friends online how to pronounce it. They say they've never heard of it being pronounced as "dyood," only "dood." Someone told me that in California it's pronounced "dyood." So, could this article tell about the different pronounciations and what kinds of people say which version? Because, I'm confused? --SuperBleda 03:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

"dyood" is more of a surfer/skater accent, and it depends on where you are. This pronunciation is used particularly on the coast of California, where surfer communities are common. --Colorless Green Ideas 21:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd say that the Californian "dyood" is more of a stressed "dəd" than a proper "dyood". (Note that the Californian stressed schwa is not the same sound as the short u of "dud." Compare the Californian "kewl," which is more of a "cuall" than a "kyool.") --InVinoVeritas 08:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Does the following text really belong in the article? I would like to remove it, as it is kind of vague, and doesn't even really refer to the preceding content.

"The latter is generally a non-specific exclamation which can be directed at, but not precisely applied to any certain person. The former is rarely applied to a woman; in fact doing so is sometimes a derogatory expression of a woman's over-masculinity ("she's quite a dude")."

--Colorless Green Ideas 21:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Dude-also pronounced "diyuud" by the pipsqueak people who just say it for lack of a better word. --Da.Tomato.Dude 14:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

dude

i also heard somewhere that dude also is the infected hair on an elephants butt

i dunno about this, but can someone check?MichaelHa 02:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I've heard this before as well (and once of 'dudette' that it's a rhino's butt), but looking around, I can find no real source. My best guess is that it's some dumb thing someone made up. (Another, thing I've heard is that he western term 'dude' comes from the meaning 'pimple on one's ass' (E2 writeup) but I can't find a secondary source for this either.) -- General Wesc 14:14, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I've heard the same. Mostly from middle schoolers who like to show off a piece of little known "knowledge" a teacher passed on to them. I havn't found any reference either. I did find this little gem : "The word "moron" is the name for people who believe that the word "dude" is the name for an infected elephant butt hair." [1] PrometheusX303 00:42, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

This is not an infected hair. It is a regular hair on an elephants butt - in the Bangladesh language. Not english, nooooo. So I dont think that you should be worried about this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Da.Tomato.Dude (talk • contribs) 01:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Actually, I beg to differ, while skimming through and OLD dictionary I found the word dude. The definition was the following :

"1. A hair on and elephants upper thigh 2. A slang term for a man or young adult male"

- Josie Snicket —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josie Snicket (talk • contribs) 22:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Frazer Smith

Frazer Smith, a Los Angeles based radio shock jock, when he is in the guise of his heavy metal alter ego, Barry Metalow(sp?) (a take-off on the name Barry Manilow), often uses the terms "Dude", "Hey, Dude", and "Oh, Dude" (with great comic effect). He has done this since the early 1980s. Perhaps some citations on this could be found and Smith could be added to the main article.

69.39.172.52 20:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Dude, Where's My Car?, features Ashton Kutcher and Seann William Scott, as two sweet dudes who lose their car.

Can "two sweet dudes" be changed into something less immature like "two young friends" or "two male friends" or "two men in their early 20s"? VarunRajendran

Could someone clarify in parentheses or round brackets or something what each use of "dude" means in the argument, maybe cite which usage from the list.

bizznot

Hmm....my guesses are here.

Dude (exclamitory)- in surprise, as in "Ohmigosh" in a dude way.\

Dude (duuuuuuude)- in gratefulness or thanks

Dude (casually) - used when you dont know the name of someone.

Da.Tomato.Dude

Dude

Would it be biased for a female dude (such as muah)to say dude? Or is this "dude" thing turning into a teen/boy thing where it is only used to state dude-ness of the dudenicity? (hope you could follow that) --Da.Tomato.Dude 14:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Black or Surfer?

At the bottom of the introductory section, it says the term is from the black community. Then in the Origin section, it mentions exclusively about the surfer culture. That is confusing. Can someone clarify the inconsistency? Kowloonese 21:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Surfers typically don't identify with the term. Although it's use in early times may be linked to the tv show Howdie Doodie, whence from an old surfer term came, Cowabunga.

Windsurfing move, Canada

• 2007 - Ultra popular term for males in many Canadian cities, especially in Mississauga also a move on a wind board were the rider lets go of the kite, backflips while droping 3ft through the air, to come back up and grab the kite then return to the floor.

Removed this line as the first point seems unrelated to the listed date. References to international spread, as well as the second point about windsurfing, deserve expansion. Relaxing 14:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

rhetorical questions

I hate to say it but are the rhetorical questions at the end of "origins" really necessary? Doobuzz 16:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Uh, Dude...

Maybe it's me, but I think the word 'Dude' has recently achieved some degree of commonality in ordinary discourse amongst non-valspeak people, perhaps most noticeably in business or work contexts--I also live in the San Francisco Bay Area, so maybe it's a local phenomenon. The term is being used in 2 distinct ways: either as 1) a way to tease or gently rib colleagues when they make a gaffe or are caught in a humorous, compromising position and the "truth" must be told to anyone within earshot (Dude, I think you put too much coffee in the coffeemaker), or 2) to express mocking disapproval of a colleague's performance behind his back ("You know, I wanted to tell so-and-so [e.g., boss, co-worker, etc.] 'Uh Dude, we need you to just answer the question (or do your job...)' ".

Anyone agree?

The original meaning of this word can be traced to American English - there is no derivitive from another language, nor does it exist in any other language. The first definition published was 'a man excessively concerned with his clothes, grooming and manners'...similiar to a 'dandy' or current 'metrosexual' term today. Dude first appeared in print in 1878. The Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang cites an 1877 reference in a letter--not published, however, until 1988--from the painter and sculptor Frederick Remington: "Don't send me any more drawings of women or any more dudes." In June of 1883 the popularity was noted by Massachusetts’ North Adams Transcript: "The new coined word 'dude'...has travelled over the country with a great deal of rapidity since but two months ago it grew into general use in New York." By 1885, it had established a strong enough foothold to appear in Ulysses S. Grant's Personal Memoirs: "Before the car I was in had started, a dapper little fellow--he would be called a dude at this day--stepped in."

The meaning of dude evolved to 'a male person' and has been in wide use since the 1960's. This is from a 1968 book called College Drug Scene: "And I got into symbolic logic and semantics with a cat who had studied with Korzybski and electronics from a dude who had an Associate of Arts degree in anthropology from 1941." The use of dude in direct address to a male began much earlier. This is from a 1945 book called Silversides: "Hey, dude, there's a ship out here!"

Quidam9989 03:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Oscar Wilde

I heard on Steve Wright's Factoids that dude was coined by Oscar Wilde. I haven't found anything about this on his page though. Could anyone offer an explanation? Also, I have often heard the word dude used as slang for semen. ~~Lazyguythewerewolf Rawr. 18:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Mark Twain

Seth Lerer on Radio Times was talking about how Mark Twain helped to coin (or ensconce in the language) dude and hello. podcast gren グレン 19:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Dude - more on the surfing connection

The use of the word "dude" in connection to surfers appears to begin much earlier than the 1960's. The word was known in Hawaii by 1911, just after George Freeth Jr. revived surfing (1900) from extinction.

I recommend reading Dr. Arthur C. Verge's article on Freeth entitled George Freeth: King of the Surfers and California’s Forgotten Hero. The article was published in the magazine California History (Summer-Fall 2001) by the California Historical Society. According to Verge's article, one of George Freeth's closest friends was Edward Kaleleihealani "Dude" Miller (both, by the way, were friends with Duke Kahanamoku). So if the word was in use in 1911, then it is possible that it was known a few years earlier.

If the original use of the word "dude" meant a city person who was ignorant of the country, then one can only theorise that perhaps Edward Miller lived in Honolulu (the city) and came down to Waikiki/Kuhio (away from the city) to surf with his friends. In his article, Verge mentions that Edward became the first "commodore" of the new Hui Nalu ("Club of the Waves") in 1911. So I feel it's reasonable to suggest that the word "dude" received its surfing connection sometime between 1900 and 1911. --Rupertsland 03:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Dude Ranches

Could this word have come from the "Dude Ranches" where ranch hands go to take care of horses? --71.107.217.63 23:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought "dude" could also refer to a cowboy, specifically one working as a ranch hand? I'm not sure where I got this impression, but I seem to recall some references in the book Desert Solitude (by Edward Abbey). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.150.253.55 (talk) 02:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Not only young people say it, I think "The Big Lebowski" would be a perfect example of that. |- ! header 1 ! header 2 ! header 3 |- | row 1, cell 1 | row 1, cell 2 | row 1, cell 3 |- | row 2, cell 1 | row 2, cell 2 | row 2, cell 3 |}

Dude german dialect for "fool" ???

I would like to know where Oxford dic. get that information. I've never heard the word dude or something similar here in Germany.

as long as oxford just says "ORIGIN probably from German dialect Dude ‘fool’." and don't tells us which dialect this should be or how it would be spelled in german, this entry should be deleted if anybody knows more about it I would be interested to get more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.78.20.66 (talk) 21:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

There's a German word "Dödel" which can refer to either the male member or a stupid male (~dope or klutz or maybe muppet).91.89.192.169 (talk) 12:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

There's a mention of a group called the "Roving Dudes" in a German context in article Edelweiss_Pirates: "Subgroups of the Edelweißpiraten included the Navajos, centred on Cologne, the Kittelbach Pirates of Oberhausen and Düsseldorf, and the Roving Dudes of Essen." If valid this could perhaps be added to the timeline of references for 1930s Pinkpedaller (talk) 06:51, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Redirect

I'm redirecting to dandy which seems to cover the topic best. Note that Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Details of word usage and etymology belong on Wiktionary. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:38, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I've undone that redirect. A Dude is not the same thing as a Dandy and there doesn't seem to be a consensus to support this redirect. At best I think you could put a {{mergeto}} tag on this page and see where the discussion went. I for one would oppose such a merge unless convincing arguments based on reliable sources are put forward. Gwernol 10:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Note that the first two sections of dandy cover word usage and etymology. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 12:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The reliable source is the citation that I have just added to the dandy article. The current state of the dude article does not support its separate existence as it is too much of a dicdef. It might be turned into a disambiguation page as another option - seprating the dandy usage and the modern slang usage as guy/chap/mate. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Diamabig seems to be the way to go - please see guy for an example. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The 1982 New Collins Concise English Dictionary gives "Dude" and "Dandy" as separate words with distinct meanings and usages. While I agree that in the 19th. century the usages of the words were similar, its clear that "dude" has become a very different word, particularly from the 1960s onwards. There would never be a film called "Dandy, where's my car?" for good reason. The modern slang usage is distinct and widely used - enough to support a separate article. Gwernol 11:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Please see The differences between encyclopedia and dictionary articles which this current article clearly fails. The article is currently all about word usage and this content does not belong here. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

While I certainly wouldn't argue that the current article is good, the question is not about the current state of the article, but whether a valid encyclopedia article could be written about the subject. The term dude clearly refers to a different set of people than the term dandy. The article should be about dudes - per WP:DICT: "Articles are about the people, concepts, places, events, and things that their titles denote.". I believe there is an interesting class of people who have been termed dudes; that class has changed over time; it is possible to write an article about the class; dandies are a different class. In fact, the current Dandy article is an excellent role model for what this article should become. Gwernol 11:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

A good article can be written about dandy because we have a good historical perspective. The current usage of dude is too fresh and the slang is too general. See WP:RECENTISM. Anyway, I have recast the article in disambig format now. Please take a look. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:49, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I won't revert your latest change, but the use of the term "dude" to mean something other than dandy is at least 100 years old. Its not clear to me that "recentism" applies in this case. Gwernol 12:29, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I put the modern slang usage at the top of the list and the dandy usage at the bottom for this reason. Note that the OED orders them the other way round: dandy first, then the greenhorn and then the modern slang. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I've reverted the change. I agree with Gwernol. The terms "dude" and "dandy" imply two very different things and have so for some time. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 12:38, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The OED always orders chronolpogically as a principle. The sequence is no guideline for relative importance currently or even in the past--just for the chronology of introduction of the different meanings. DGG (talk) 17:49, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

You guys are/were rather confused. The wikipedia works on concepts not names. To the extent that dude means dandy, historically or otherwise you need to add that to the dandy article, not the dude article.- (User) Wolfkeeper (Talk) 23:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Neiln does not seem to have read the discussion in which we moved past the idea of redirecting. The disambig format properly separates the different usages which do persist in reliable sources. I am starting a separate section to make this clear. Please address my latest version which does not emphasise the dandy usage. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I have - assume good faith. First, please address Gwernol's points:

The term dude clearly refers to a different set of people than the term dandy. The article should be about dudes - per WP:DICT: "Articles are about the people, concepts, places, events, and things that their titles denote.". I believe there is an interesting class of people who have been termed dudes; that class has changed over time; it is possible to write an article about the class; dandies are a different class. In fact, the current Dandy article is an excellent role model for what this article should become

Again, I agree with him, WP:RECENTISM does not apply. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 12:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

• I'm going to put an appropriate tag or two on the article to summarise my criticism. This will probably include a proposal to delete the article as it doesn't really belong here in my opinion. I expect we will end up at AFD but you might take the opportunity to improve the article along the lines you favour. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

• Since last week the article has lost a list of synonyms like bloke and has regained a longer of examples of usage in pop culture. This is all still the stuff of a dictionary definition and the possibility of it being anything more seems unlikely. I now propose that the article be deleted. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the proposed deletion tag, not because I necessarily disagree, but because this is not a "obvious" deletion. This would require a community discussion at AfD to get wider input before it is deleted. Gwernol 12:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Dude Culture

• fyi - I have redirected Dude Culture to Dude. Canuckle (talk) 23:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

How to save this article

These consrtuctive comments on sourcing have been copied here from the AfD on this article.

The current article is not well written, but I contend it is possible to build a reasonable article about the word "dude" from proper soucres. For example this article from Random House would seem to be a promising starting point for an editor interested in creating a good article on the subject, particularly how the term has evolved and its impact on society and culture. Or how about this interesting article on the "dude vote" which may also warrant inclusion? Here is a book on dude ranches, another rich source of material and here is another. I'm sure with a bit of digging a plethora of books and articles could be found to write a really interesting and well researched article here. The fact that the current article is below standard should encourage us to improve it, not delete it, as long as we can find good sources to work from, which I think we can here. Gwernol 01:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Some more: this article from the journal American Speech, Deborah Hick's book "Discourse, Learning, and Schooling" and this paper also from American Speech. Gwernol 01:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Articles shouldn't be written by citing the dictionary, but the journal article in American Speech [2] listed in the external links section strongly suggests this is an encyclopedic topic, even if not presently a very good article. cab (talk) 06:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Things in the ext. links section are often misplaced sources, as appears to be the case here. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 10:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

New mEANING

In my area, the word dude is used to refer to the foreskin]

THOMASNATOR (talk) 11:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

New reference--a company

In 1999, a company selling educational software decided to call itself "SchoolDude", I guess trying to be hip. It's over at www.schooldude.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.172.26.6 (talk) 04:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Terrible

This article fails at being encyclopedic. None of these are cited:

It can alternatively be spelled "dood."

As an interjection, a short, clipped "dude!" might be used to convey annoyance with someone, while a long, drawn-out "duuuude" conveys amazement.

"Dude" is considered to be slang, similar to the phrase "man."

Either remove, or cite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.229.240 (talk) 23:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

You know you could have just added {{fact}} it produces this: . ♪♫The New Mikemoral^talk_contribs 01:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Scott Kiesling (see also)

Scott Kiesling is the author of Dude (2004), an article on the uses of the word by men in the United States. The article is one of this page's external links. I added his name under 'see also', but it was quickly removed. I don't watch this page, and don't want to start a controversy, but someone might want to re-add the link.Cnilep (talk) 15:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I linked his name in the external links section, where his name was already present.  Doulos Christos ♥ talk  16:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

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I cant help but agree--71.225.238.113 (talk) 03:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

I took the liberty of removing "Joey Smith the G.O.A.T." from the introduction section. --Macdaddy5539 (talk) 06:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Dudette and Dude

While dude typically refers to men, dudette can be and has been used to refer to women, however the practice of using the word "dudette" has died out since the late 1990's. (user info missing)

Dudette was always kind of used tongue in cheek anyway. However, it is incorrect to say that 'dude' is actually unisex. It's use as a mild expletive has become ubiquitous, and gender-specific titles (such as the word 'actress') are declining, so no one will really care if you use it when speaking to a female, but it still means man. Thetrellan (talk) 18:31, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Request for semi-protection

Due to daily IP vandalism on this page I am going to put in a request for semi-protection. - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Xeikiel, 25 May 2010

Xeikiel (talk) 03:30, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Removed as it was simply a copy of the article --NeilN ^{talk to me} 03:49, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you for your request, Xeikiel. However, please see WP:EXTERNAL for Wikipedia's policy on external links. The only external links to be featured on this article should be "sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons." None of the links above fall within this definition. - DustFormsWords (talk) 03:39, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Most of these links seem fine to me. I've restored them. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 03:53, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

The links aren't compliant with WP:EXTERNAL. If you feel they are, please say how. WP:ILIKEIT isn't sufficient reason to retain non-compliant content. In addition, the Wiktionary link is repeated at the top of the page. - DustFormsWords (talk) 23:27, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I've raised the matter here. Your input is welcome. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:54, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

The independent position offered at that discussion seems to me to be reasonable - in short, to keep "Dude, Where's My Dude?" and words@random, and delete the rest. Is anyone deeply opposed to that plan? - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:11, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd echo WhatamIdoing's point there, that deleting useful content is never a best practice. For an m:Eventualist, the best practice is to leave the content where it is in the EL, so that readers can potentially benefit from it. For an m:Immediatist, the best practice is to move content to the talkpage, until it can be integrated back as a formal ref. Personally, I'm a pragmatic eventualist, especially on sub-GA-class articles. If something is not causing harm, and might be helpful to readers, then I generally advocate leaving it alone. -- Quiddity (talk) 21:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

New reference Cody from Step by Step

Prominent character from the first five seasons 1991-1998 hit TV series Step by Step.

"Dude", and other forms of it, was pretty much his catch phrase (similar personality to Ted from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, also on the list), adding to the mainstream usage of it. He was a pretty popular character, like that show's Kramer.

An entire episode revolved around getting Cody to stop saying dude.

I think all this easily qualifies him to be on the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.3.51 (talk) 09:40, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Earlier references from Google books

I've found an a few earlier uses of the word "dude" than currently mentioned in the article:

From a college pamphlet, 1869: "The fool, the dude and the shirk come out of college pretty much as they go in." http://books.google.com/books?id=OgMNAQAAIAAJ&q=dude&dq=dude&hl=en&ei=Q6yOTMXXDIiosQPg4ISRCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBTiMAQ

From The Ironmoulders Journal, 1870: "he knows how she treated Dick at the shop excursion down the Sound flirting with that dandy dude of a clerk" http://books.google.com/books?id=o5qfAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA182&dq=dude&hl=en&ei=AaeOTKvVGYLmsQOy48jUBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CE4Q6AEwCDgo#v=onepage&q=dude&f=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsackett (talk • contribs) 23:30, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Origin says 1880, but Google NGrams shows it appearing much earlier than that

http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=dude&year_start=1700&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.127.163 (talk) 14:26, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Whitney Garret

His name was Brom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tgodd (talk • contribs) 16:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

History: Dude = Urban American who apes the English?

"One of the first written appearances [ of 'Dude'] came in 1883, in the American magazine, which referred to “the social ‘dude’ who affects English dress and the English drawl”. The teenage American republic was already a growing power, with the economy booming and the conquest of the West well under way. But Americans in cities often aped the dress and ways of Europe, especially Britain. Hence dude as a dismissive term: a dandy, someone so insecure in his Americanness that he felt the need to act British." from The More Intelligent Life — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericaparrott (talk • contribs) 22:21, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

DUDE as a birthname for someone.

DECEMBER 9 1975 Dude Arthur Whiting born, dude can be used as a persons name, as i have the unique name of dude. there are no dictonaries that have dude as an ingrown hair on any part of the body, or any animals body. the word dude originates from german dialect which means fool, in america it was used in the mid 1800s for westerners. but if you go to google.com and search DUDE WHITING my poetry will appear. glad to share that there is at least one human within this planet that has the word DUDE as a birthname. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.184.168.188 (talk) 18:34, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

female dude?

according to the merriam-webster dictionary, the correct word for a female dude is dudette, and not 'dudine' as the article states. dudette is more commonly used in slang for a female, while dudine is a term for a small clay Indian pipe.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dudine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.206.246.223 (talk) 16:25, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 August 2012

86.157.203.2 (talk) 18:02, 2 August 2012 (UTC) The term "dude" and its female equivalent infer the quality of 'cool' to such a person.

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. RudolfRed (talk) 18:26, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 August 2012

In the 1933 film "Lady for a Day", directed by Frank Capra, the leading male character is nicknamed "Dave the Dude". This is one of the earliest uses of the term dude is film. Requesting you add this under "Dude in popular culture" -1933.

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_for_a_Day

Crr8 (talk) 01:50, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I'm afraid Wikipedia can't be used as a source. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 16:30, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Jeff Spicoli - Fast Times At Ridgemont High - 1982

Spicoli calls Mr. Hand "dude" which sends the teacher off on a tangent of insults which only confuse the perpetually stoned, but totally likeable surfer.

This term is used 9 times in the film's [http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/f/fast-times-at-ridgemont-high-script.html script]and seems worthy of inclusion. Bulbous (talk) 16:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 November 2012

Dude Descending a Staircase is a 2003 album by the British band Apollo 440. 62.254.233.188 (talk) 11:16, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

Edit Request: The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

This should be added to the cultural references section. In the movie, the character of Liberty Valance constantly refers to the character of Ransom "Ranse" Stoddard (who is an Easterner out in the West) as "dude".

Edit request on 12 January 2013

Please change Sam Elliott to Jeff Bridges under "The Big Lebowski" Reference. 108.20.70.22 (talk) 08:44, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pol430 talk to me 22:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Add to popular culture

I recommend adding that Hasbro's Bop It Extreme, Bop It Extreme 2, Bop It Smash and Bop It XT says "Dude" to the player when the player looses.--81.152.119.2 (talk) 08:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Probably the most prominent and prevalent usage of the word "dude" for many people currently under 35 is Michelangelo from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. There are probably millions of Americans who first heard the word there. 67.79.79.157 (talk) 16:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

The title (In the address bar)

The title is different to what the users search for. It is "Dudette" in the address bar, but the title and content of the page speak of "Dude". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.162.19.202 (talk) 19:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

You probably arrived from a redirect, from Dudette (See just under the title, under "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia", where it mentions the redirect). See Wikipedia:Redirect for further details. –Quiddity (talk) 19:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Popular Culture Too Broad?

I noticed there are a lot of entries in the popular culture section, which don't really seem that notable or relevant, and I wanted to delete some of the entries according to that criteria. For example, The Big Lebowski is a fairly note-worthy film and it's protagonist is called "The Dude", so it seems like a notable and relevant inclusion as a reference. By contrast, the Steely Dan album Pretzel Logic is included only for having one song with the word 'dude' in the title, and that song wasn't even a hit on the album. It's not really a notable reference, and most of the album isn't relevant to this page. I don't want to tread on anyone's toes here but if there aren't any objections I might take a stab at cutting down the list from, say, Sunday. Pez Dispens3r (talk) 15:49, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Dude comes from the Gaelic language. You're welcome, dudes. See:

How the Irish Invented Dudes by DANIEL CASSIDY

Dude, n.,a dapper dandy; a ‘swell,’ an affected, fastidious fop; a city slicker at a dude ranch. “Origin unknown.” (Barnhart Dictionary of English Etymology, 305.)

Dúd, (pron. dood), dúd(a), al. dúid, n., a foolish-looking fellow; a dolt, a numbskull; a clown; an idiot; a rubbernecker; a long-necked eavesdropper. (Dineen, 377, 378; Ó Dónaill, 459, 460.)

Dúdach, adj., rubber-necked; foolish-looking, queer. Dúdaire, n., a clown, an idiot (Kerry); a long-necked person; a dolt; an eavesdropper. Dúdálaí, n., a stupid person; an idiot; a self-conscious person. (Dineen, 377, 378; Ó Dónaill, 459, 460, Foclóir Póca, 349, 350)

Dúd (pron. dood, a dolt) was a moniker Irish Americans slapped on slumming, dapper, wealthy, young “swells,” out on a “spree” (spraoi, fun, sport, frolic, a drinking bout) in the concert saloons, dance halls, and theaters of old New York.

On February 25th, 1883, the Brooklyn Eagle defined the new word “dude” on the front page.

“A new word has been coined. It is d-u-d-e or d-o-o-d. The spelling does not seem to be distinctly settled yet…Just where the word came from nobody knows, but it has sprung into popularity in the last two weeks, so that now everybody is using it…A dude cannot be old; he must be young, and to be properly termed a dude he should be of a certain class who affect Metropolitan theaters. The dude is from 19 to 28 years of age, wears trousers of extreme tightness, is hollow chested, effeminate in his ways, apes the English and distinguishes himself among his fellowmen as a lover of actresses. The badge of his office is the paper cigarette, and his bell crown English opera hat is his chiefest (sic) joy… As a rule they are rich men’s sons, and very proud of the unlimited cash at their command….They are a harmless lot of men in one way…but they are sometimes offensive. No dude is a real dude who does not talk to a fellow dude in a loud voice during the play…The most eminent dude in New York is the son of a Wall street broker of considerable wealth…and his name has been muddied up with half a dozen dirty scandals.” (Brooklyn Eagle, Feb. 28, 1883, 1)

The “dudes” of the Oxford English Dictionary believe “dude” is an artificial “slang” word, connected to the English aesthetic movement of the late 19th century.

Dude: “A factitious slang term which came into vogue in New York about the beginning of 1883, in connexion with the ‘æsthetic’ craze of that day. Actual origin not recorded.” (OED online, July 23, 2006)

This is a word-perfect example of an English Dictionary Dúd (pron. dood, numbskull) etymology, which allows for no Irish influence on the imperial English lingo, dude!

Oscar Wilde was the most famous ‘æsthetic’ English “dude” in the world. Only Oscar Wilde was a brilliant, quirky (corr-chaoi, odd-mannered, odd-shaped), literary Irish dúd, (pron. dood, long-necked, foolish-looking fellow), instead.

THE DUDE (Brooklyn Eagle, 1885)

“Everybody has expressed a desire to define the dude, and yet there can be no better definition than this, that he is one who should be fined for appearing on the streets in men’s clothes. He is a result of Oscar Wilde, and is as much the furniture of nature and art as is the slim neckedstork…” (Brooklyn Eagle, Aug. 16, 1885, 6.)

The “dude” was an early “Stage-door Johnny.”

DUDES DID DINE

With Some of the Girls of the Gaiety Company

Waylaying Their Guests at the Theater Door –

Rude Young Men Who Took

The Everett Assembly Rooms Gallery by Storm…

“The New York morning papers were never more mistaken in their lives than when they said that the Gaiety girls did not go to the ball at Everett Hall last evening. They did go or, at least, enough of them went to make the dudes who invited them and who put up $25 each for the entertainment happy.” (Brooklyn Eagle, Jan. 22, 1889, 4)

In the 1880s, the average daily wage for textile workers (for a ten-hour day) was $2.00 for men and $1.17 for women; if you were lucky enough to have a job. (Philip Foner, A History of the Labor Movement in the United States, Vol. I, 1947, (1972), 442)

At one point, there was a fear that the “dude” would become extinct.

ALL THE DUDES ON HAND (headline, Brooklyn Eagle, 1884)

What Came of Answering a Newspaper “Personal”

A South Brooklyn Young Man Made the Victim of a Party of Jokers –

“A few days ago sundry South Brooklyn youths…had noticed with sorrow the gradual disappearance of the genuine dude, and feared…it would disappear like the dodo. It was resolved to see if any of the species still existed.” (Brooklyn Eagle, Aug. 17, 1884, 12)

But by the 1890s, “dudes” were dancing in the streets. The hit song “Sidewalks of New York,” even featured a waltzing “dude”.

“Little Nelly Kelly, with a dude as light as cork, learned to do the waltz-step on the sidewalks of New York.” (The Sidewalks of N.Y., James W. Blake and Charles E. Lawlor, 1890).

Soon, the word dúd (pron. dood, a dolt, a numbskull) was being applied to all dapper young “sports,” whether they were “swells” or not. “Big Dick” Butler was an Irish Hell’s Kitchen slugger (slacaire, a mauler, a bruiser) who styled himself a teenage “dude” in the 1890s.

“My hair was slicked back from the right side, semi-pompadour…Oh, I was a dude, all right, a regular Jim Dandy.” (Butler and Driscoll, Dock Walloper, NY, 1934, 78.)

Some “dudes” scrammed out west.

“I’m a coyote of the prairie dude, hear me zip;In the company of gentleman I’m rude with my lip…”(J. Lomax, Cowboy Songs and Frontier Ballads, “The Bad Man from the Brazos,” ca. 1884, 1910, [1938], 138)

But, at the end of the day, “dude” could also be an angry epithet.

In Eugene O’Neill’s early play, Abortion, written in 1914, Joe Murray is an Irish-American mechanic from the other side of the tracks, whose sister has just died in a botched abortion. Murray confronts the Yale dúd, who dumped her with just enough money to pay for a back-alley abortionist.

“Murray: ‘…Yuh think yuh c’n get away with that stuff and then marry some goil of your own kind… I’ve always hated yuh since yuh first come to the house. I’ve always hated your kind. Yuh come here to school and yuh think yuh c’n do as yuh please with us town people. Yuh treat us like servants, an what are you, I’d like to know? A lot of lazy no-good dudes spongin’ on your old men; and the goils, our goils, think yuh’re grand!” (Abortion, 1914, 217)

But, the last “woid” on “de dood” goes to the 1890’s cartoon character Mickey Dugan, the “Yellow Kid” of “Hogan’s Alley” and “McFadden’s Row of Flats,” whose Irish-American Vernacular speech became “woild” famous in Joseph Pulitzer’s N.Y. World and William Randolph Hearst’s N.Y. Journal.

It was de “Yellow Kid” who gave his moniker to de “Yellow Press.”

The Yellow Kid’s Diary

New York Journal, Nov., 18, 1898

“I seen me friend Mrs. Gould in one uv der boxes…But some of dem doods wot wuz sittin’ around Mrs. Astor comes fer me…De wimmin down stairs had dere hats off, as if dey wuz afraid de doods in de boxes wuz goin’ t’ t’row paperballs on dere heads… de doods wuz all dressed up.” (Richard Outcault, cartoon: The Yellow Kid’s Diary, “He Goes to the Opera,” N.Y. Journal, Nov. 18, 1898.)

Dude is Irish, dúd. (Unless you are an “English Dictionary Dúd.)

Dúd, (pron. dood), n., a foolish-looking fellow; a dolt, a numbskull; a clown; an idiot.

DANIEL CASSIDY is founder and co-director of An Léann Éireannach, the Irish Studies Program, at New College of California in San Francisco. Cassidy is an award-winning filmmaker and musician. His research on the Irish language influence on American vernacular and slang has been published in the New York Observer ("Decoding the Gangs of New York"), Ireland’s Hot Press magazine, The San Francisco Chronicle, and Lá, the Irish-language newspaper. His book, The Secret Language of the Crossroad: How the Irish Invented Slang, will be published by CounterPunch Books in Spring 2007. Cassidy was born in Brooklyn and lives with his wife Clare in San Francisco. He can be reached at DanCas1@aol.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jubiloo (talk • contribs) 18:39, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

From the "Doodle" in "Yankee Doodle"

Slate recently ran an article about etymologists Barry Popik and Gerald Cohen making the case that term derives from "Yankee Doodle". Here's a link to it: http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2013/11/05/dude_etymology_of_the_word_is_traced_to_doodle_as_in_yankee_doodle_dandy.html . The Slate article links through to another blog where it's stated that the scholarly publication this appears in is the October-November 2013 issue of "Comments on Etymology". So, it would be good to add this to the paragraph about possible origins of the word "dude" in the History section. I'd add it, but the page is semi-protected and I prefer not have a Wikipedia account. --101.98.144.68 (talk) 05:32, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes please update this article. I second this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.251.20 (talk) 04:40, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Lookin' Out My Back Door

Credence Clearwater Revival's Lookin' Out My Back Door mentions "Dude" several times. It should be added to the "in popular Culture" section. I'd do it, but the page is protected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrincodi (talk • contribs) 19:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2016

IamIitistrue (talk) 05:11, 3 January 2016 (UTC) Characters in the movie "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance", (which came out in 1962), used the term "dude" numerous times speaking to other men.

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:07, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2016

Under the "In popular culture" section, you can add that in the 1962 movie, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance", John Wayne repeatedly refers to the city lawyer character played by James Stewart, (Ransom Stoddard), as dude.

Larry Bergan (talk) 09:30, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

 Not done You would need to provide reliable independent sources (secondary sources) that discuss this usage. The mere fact that the word appears in the script is not enough to mention it in the Wikipedia article. Softlavender (talk) 10:09, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

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St. Nicholas Magazine Unreliable

As previously stated on this page, R. W. McAlpine's article states that Putnam's Magazine published a reference to "dude" in 1876, when said magazine was not being published. In addition, McAlpine translates the Latin word "dudum" as "dude", when it is an adverb meaning "previously". (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dudum) It is an "Illustrated Magazine for Young Folks", and not an academic journal, after all. Edfan32 (talk) 03:04, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2018

Request to ADD the following sentence BEFORE the sentence that reads: "The 1998 film..."

The first known reference to Dude in an American film was in the 1969 movie, "Easy Rider," where Captain America (portrayed by Peter Fonda) explains to his cellmate lawyer (portrayed by Jack Nicholson) the definition of "Dude": "Dude means nice guy; Dude means regular sort of person." http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/360368/Easy-Rider-Movie-Clip-Dude-Means-Nice-Guy.html Rigmarin1 (talk) 23:21, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done I can't get that reference to work ("too many redirects") but the movie itself is fine as a primary source. Fish+Karate 14:36, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2019

Request to ADD the following above the paragraph beginning: The first known reference to Dude in an American film was in the 1969 movie, "Easy Rider,"...

An early reference to "dude" in American film is in the 1933 Frank Capra movie, "Lady for a Day". The first-billed character is "Dave the Dude", a gangster often referred to in the picture as simply, "The Dude". The screenplay is based on a short story by Damon Runyon.

Request to CHANGE the existing sentence to:

ANOTHER NOTABLE reference to Dude in an American film was in the 1969 movie, "Easy Rider,"...

Mzarag (talk) 20:22, 6 January 2019 (UTC)MZarag Mzarag (talk) 20:22, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:44, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

References

Italics

Why is the title of this article in italics? It's not the title of some work called "Dude", it's literally the word "dude". JIP | Talk 14:28, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2023

I think the sentence towards the end of the History section about Mark Farner should be changed to read: " Mark Farner of Grand Funk Railroad claims that drummer Don Brewer popularized the word dude with the song "We're an American Band" which was released in 1973, despite the release of Mott the Hoople's All the Young Dudes (with a link to that page) the previous summer. " OneEggPlease (talk) 05:18, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The fact that something else using the term exists does not contradict anything that was said. In fact several other usages are listed immediately prior to this claim. What is the significance/notability of this specific usage with regards to Mark Farner's claim? GiovanniSidwell (talk) 18:13, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2023

New York Sun website has changed, all old URLs are broken. Requesting URL for footnote "Bryk, William (June 22, 2005). "King of the Dudes". The New York Sun. Retrieved November 11, 2008" be updated to: https://web.archive.org/web/20200620050242/http://www.nysun.com/on-the-town/king-of-the-dudes/15834/ 2603:6080:6003:775:A4BC:595B:E804:626A (talk) 20:23, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

First American film usage....

.... wasn't "Easy Rider" in 1969 but possibly the 1933 Frank Capra movie "Lady for a day". One of the main characters was called Dave the "Dude" Rebsinger (talk) 20:30, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

heres the Wikipedia page to prove it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_for_a_Day Rebsinger (talk) 20:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)