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Jeff Guo (October 25, 2016). "Something's terribly wrong with the Internet and Wikipedia might be able to fix it". Washington Post. Retrieved October 25, 2016. It's downright startling, then, to observe what happens behind the scenes at Wikipedia. Go to any article and visit the "talk" tab. More often than not, you'll find a somewhat orderly debate, even on contentious topics like Hillary Clinton's e-mails or Donald Trump's sexual abuse allegations.
Trevor Noah (4 April 2017). "Trump Launches Sexual Assault Awareness Month". The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. Retrieved 4 April 2017. Like, I don't think you fully understand how deep Donald Trump's history with sexual misconduct goes. The allegations—just his allegations alone—have their own Wikipedia page. This is not a joke! It has five subsections. It goes on for page[s]. It has 123 footnotes! Every time you donate to Wikipedia, half of that money has to go to maintaining Trump's sexual allegations page—that's all the money is for.

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"Porn stars, beauty queens, and an 'Apprentice' contestant: All the women accusing Donald Trump of affairs or sexual misconduct". Yahoo! Entertainment. 26 March 2018.

Worthy?

Is this article even worthy of an "encyclopedic" presence? Was such a thing be found in a world book Encyclopedia, or encyclopedia Britannica? This is just another piece of the eight year, 24 / 7 / 365 attack on an an individual. These are ALLEGATIONS . Mikefilosa (talk) 13:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of this article was proposed in 2016, here, and the result was a SNOW keep. Yes, eight years have passed since then, but the fundamental nature of the article has not changed. There is no rationale for relitigating the article's existence; that's a settled issue.

Yes, These are ALLEGATIONS (for the most part: a civil finding of liability is far more than an allegation), and they are presented as such. This is pursuant to Wikipedia content policy.

This is not to say the article can't be improved; see Talk:Donald Trump/Response to claims of bias. Feel free to help improve it after learning about the policy. ―Mandruss ☎ 07:34, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's changed is we can have a more sober application of the WP:10YearTest, to say whether all the stuff based on WP:Primary news sources is actually justified in an encyclopedia article, versus being tightened into secondary sources and then possibly merged back into something of broader scope.

Just at a glance, the vast majority of sources are breaking news pieces from 2016. This kind of content in any history article -- and yes, the 2016 election is history -- could be summarily deleted. At the very least this is a great case for WP:TNT using only secondary retrospective sources (and the primary sources referenced by those secondary sources). SamuelRiv (talk) 17:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to advocate whatever you want with a policy basis; that's what the discussion/consensus process is all about. I would suggest one or more separate threads since it's a big shift in topic. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OP was suggesting the article is not worthy of WP. I agree, and I have given policy reasons. Is this not now the correct thread to discuss radical rewrites/merge/deletion? SamuelRiv (talk) 17:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/deletion requires WP:AFD. It can't be done here, so any discussion of it here would be a pointless waste of time. I personally doubt a second AFD would result in merge/deletion, but it wouldn't be out of process.

As you say, radical rewrite is not what the OP proposed. Therefore one or more separate threads would be better organization. Just my educated opinion. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The discussion related to the "hot mic recording" started that Trump was bragging about groping women without their consent. This is untrue,as evidenced by the quote that follows. He stated that the women allowed him to do these things. The sentence should be corrected, reflecting facts rather than inferred, incorrect opinions. 2601:547:C601:4A60:28AA:B56:230B:1F8A (talk) 07:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 14:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Relationship with Jeffrey Epstein" should be "Friendship with Jeffrey Epstein"

trump had a friendship with him, not a relationship 51.7.13.182 (talk) 21:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

25 or 26 sexual abuse allegations?

Intro: 'Since the 1970s, at least 26 women have publicly accused Donald Trump, of rape, kissing, and groping without consent; looking under women's skirts; and walking in on naked teenage pageant contestants.'

General overview: 'Donald Trump has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 25 women since the 1970s.'

This article counts 27: 'Stacey Williams is 27th woman to accuse Trump of sexual misconduct' - https://www.axios.com/2024/10/28/trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-women MathewMunro (talk) 07:27, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is the initial image really necessary?

I propose to delete the image present in the lead, or to change it. JacktheBrown (talk) 14:54, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You do not say why you object to this image. It is not of good quality but it does show Trump and one of the alleged victims, so I think it has to stay unless a better image can be found. It is definitely better than nothing. To be better than this, a replacement image would need to show Trump either with one the alleged victims or with another connected person mentioned prominently in the article such as Jeffrey Epstein. My thought is to use Trump with E. Jean Carroll as the lead image, as that was the highest profile allegation, and Trump with Epstein in the section about Epstein. DanielRigal (talk) 16:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]