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Passed. Joeyquism (talk) 14:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Skyshifter (talk · contribs) 01:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Joeyquism (talk · contribs) 04:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'm really not a fan of Bladee — or really anyone in Drain Gang for that matter — but I am interested in reviewing this article so I might as well give this a go for the first time. Bear with me here please! I'll complete the initial review within the week. Joeyquism (talk) 04:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. The prose needs a decent amount of work. Just a few examples of things I would change here (perhaps some of this is WP:BLUDGEONING/WP:GACN but I assure you I am doing this in good faith!):
  • It was recorded in Sweden with producer Whitearmor, close to the recording location of the film The Seventh Seal (1957). — Seventh Seal info feels like WP:TMI. Seems more trivial than essential to the understanding of the subject. I would suggest removing this.
  • A progressive pop album, Crest contains Auto-Tune vocals with lyrics addressing themes of love and friendship, while including multiple references to Christianity and heaven. — Reads awkwardly and could be stated more concisely (WP:PLAINENGLISH). Perhaps something like "Crest is a progressive pop album featuring  [...] and multiple references to Christianity and heaven" would work?
  • To record Crest, Bladee, Ecco2K, Whitearmor, members of the Swedish collective Drain Gang [...] — Add "and" in between the comma following Ecco2k and "Whitearmor".
  • Whitearmor said that the album was heavily inspired by the film and the Swedish band Abba. — ABBA should be in all caps.
  • The album presents Auto-Tune vocals addressing love and friendship themes, while containing multiple spiritual references to heaven and Christianity. — Same reasons as the corresponding line in the lead.
  • [...] the album, while not explicitly religious, explores the imagery of heaven, angels, and ectoplasmic intelligence [...] — The definition of "ectoplasmic intelligence" is vague. I think putting this term in quotes would work better.
  • [...] Stockholm producer Vattenrum, who died in 2019; he was known for producing some of Drain Gang and Sad Boys's earlier songs. — Can be made more concise and relevant, seeing as this is the only mention of Sad Boys in the entire article. Something along the lines of " Stockholm producer and Drain Gang [affiliate/collaborator/etc.] Vattenrum, who died in 2019" would suffice.
  • Fantano felt that Ecco2K's, "somewhat mystical and witchy verse on the back end" could be a contrast from the track's Christian references. — Remove the comma after "Ecco2K's" per MOS:QUOTEPUNCT/Words as words, or paraphrase the quote.
  • [...] as "melodic dance-pop bangers imbued with a sense of dreaminess"; Regarding the latter [...] — "Regarding" should not be capitalized.

This is not an exhaustive list; I'll probably go over the article again once these points are corrected, but will likely just promote once everything in this initial review is revised and completed. In general, I would say the prose is just a little rough around the edges at most. The information is complete, but is not as clearly written as one would expect for a good article. Also, I would suggest doing some copyediting for the songs section; trim down the usage of quotes and paraphrase more (if possible – I understand that there are few reliable resources for this topic).

Yeah, I still struggle with prose sometimes. I will try to paraphrase a bit too. Skyshiftertalk 11:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. Aside from the MOS:QUOTEPUNCT note that can be fixed quite easily, everything else seems to be in line with MoS.
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. Looks good; happy to see that the videos have been timestamped properly. If you have the time, I'd suggest archiving your links for the sake of preservation, but I'll check this off regardless.
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). Sources appear to be reliable.
  • Hypebeast — Has been determined to be reliable for contemporary music news per this discussion.
  • Laut.de — I don't speak German, but I'll take it on faith that all quotes from the article are translated accurately and paraphrased accordingly. Seems fine for reviews per this discussion.
  • Dazed — Has been determined to be reliable for reviews per this discussion.
  • 032c — Archives net no results for 032c, but based on what I'm seeing, their staff has good credentials, with work on several reliable and verifiable resources including HuffPost, Dazed, and The Sunday Telegraph.
  • Fantano — I am of the belief that attributed opinion is the furthest you can go with a melon review, and this article steers clear of using Fantano's words as a source for an artist's biography.
  • All other sources appear in WP:RS or WP:A/S. Looking good.

Source spot check

  • [1] — Source supports the recording location as Sweden and the "surprise" album label. No copyvio.
  • [3] — Source supports inspiration from ABBA and The Seventh Seal connection. No copyvio.
  • [8] — Source supports progressive pop label. All quotes are attributed and are used appropriately. No copyvio.
  • [11] — Source supports the Christian references. Quotes are attributed and are used appropriately. No copyvio.
  • [12] — Source supports the Christian references and the inclusion of falsetto. Quotes are attributed and are used appropriately. No copyvio.
  • Fantano videos — Watched both of them before realizing they had the transcript. Sources support the Christian references, praise for subtle vocals, "Chaos Follows" being one of the darkest tracks on the album, score of 8/10, and 48th best album. Quotes are attributed and are used appropriately. No copyvio.

However, there are some instances of WP:OVERCITE for some non-contentious statements:

  • The nine-minute production is divided into five parts [...] — There are three citations for this statement that I don't believe needs that much corroboration; I think it'd be fine with just one.
  • According to Cassidy George of 032c, Crest was critically acclaimed. — I think it's safe to say it's just critically acclaimed, seeing as all reviews used in this article are positive.

Revise these and you should be good.

2c. it contains no original research. Not seeing anything that would violate this.
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. Copyvio check comes back fine. That being said, there is a quote that, in my opinion, is almost playing with fire — the phrase "cliff-bound beach from Ingmar Bergman's fantasy epic The Seventh Seal" is used verbatim from the Rolling Stone source, which takes it to a 31.0% similarity score (though I'd reckon this is also because of the other quotes cited in the article). I would suggest using a different descriptor for this. Otherwise, quotes are attributed and used appropriately.
Fixed Skyshiftertalk 11:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. Looks focused and within scope to me.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). Presents the background, release, song composition, and reception with little else.
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. Presents a fair and neutral description of events.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. No conflict as far as I can see.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. Looks great.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. Good.
7. Overall assessment. @Skyshifter: For now, I'm putting this on hold. The content itself is really solid and well-sourced, but just a few things definitely need some polish. I can care of any minor adjustments if requested. If you have any questions or concerns (it is my first time reviewing, after all), feel free to let me know by pinging me. Thank you for your hard work on this article; as much as I dislike DG now I did actually enjoy this album when it came out, and it's always good to see somewhat underrepresented artists in the GANs! --Joeyquism (talk) 06:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Joeyquism: thanks for the review, everything has been addressed! Skyshiftertalk 11:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Skyshifter read through it, looks much better! Passing GA now. Joeyquism (talk) 14:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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