Talk:Chloe Dykstra

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We need to describe the allegations as allegations

The WP:BLP is a very key foundation of Wikipedia policy. In particular, while I believe her story, WP:PUBLICFIGURE says we must use wording like “Allegedly” until reliable sources say the allegations are true. Samboy (talk) 16:24, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the point: They're not allegations. If she had named someone, or there were criminal charges, then it would be allegations against the other person. Allegations are targeted. So the word use here is wrong.--Jorm (talk) 17:09, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken. I have reworded it to “claim” (add added a third party reference for the claim) Samboy (talk) 19:48, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You should add context that her claim was at the height of the "me too" movement 2605:A601:AE3F:5C00:E571:984F:1CFC:17F7 (talk) 01:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dykstra's Medium post update, and source relevance & quality

Dykstra lightly edited her original Medium post, appending an explanation to the post dated July 7. She had apparently made the change in the body of the text before July 7, though I don't know when; one of her numerous online critics pointed out the change in a tweet dated July 3, though the edit could have predated that (Dykstra doesn't provide that kind of detail in her July 7 note). Her original June 14 Medium post is archived here; her slightly updated newer version is here. I see no substantial difference between the two, though Dykstra apparently felt otherwise. My edit of the main article to reflect this was reverted, which is fine by me (I was going for full transparency).

Update - July 9, 2018 tweet by Dykstra: "Look, I’ll be honest, I have no idea how Medium works. I had used it once before. All I know is I changed it last second, and it didn’t save, which I’m grateful for. Regardless of my incompetence with Medium, I stand by every word of my essay."

On June 19, 2018 TMZ posted a piece with what they claimed to be text messages between Hardwick and Dykstra. From that article:

"According to the text thread, Chloe reached out to Chris 7 months later in an apparent attempt to make up. Sources close to Chris say it's hard to believe Chloe would try for months to get back with him if she was being emotionally and sexually abused, as she claimed last week."

As far as I can tell, Dykstra has not responded to this report, and neither has Hardwick publicly, only (as TMZ claims) via anonymous sources close to him. Regarding the assertion made by "sources close to Chris" in the second sentence of that block quote, that is strongly disputed by survivors of partner abuse as well as mental health professionals who counsel abuse victims. Victims seeking to return to their abusers - even if the need for food and shelter are not a factor - is an often encountered manifestation of a phenomenon known as trauma bonding. So it is entirely possible that the abuse alleged by Dykstra did take place, and that she sent texts to Hardwick seeking to return to the relationship. At least one edit I reverted tried to introduce this into the main article, but based on what's been presented by TMZ and other media to date, in my opinion both the thin sourcing and (more importantly) lack of relevance render it unsuitable for inclusion in the main article. Others are welcome to make the contrary case.

[Section updated 9JUL2018] Sharl928 (talk) 12:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE (August 11, 2018)

A recent tweet from Dykstra clarified the issue of why she didn't participate in the investigation undertaken by the employer of her alleged abuser:

Hey dudes. Just a reminder: I 100% stand by every single word of my essay. I made sure it was unembellished, factual, and that I had evidence to back it up in order to protect myself in case of ACTUAL litigation (not a network investigation, where I’m not protected). That is all.

I'm leaning toward incorporating this into the main article, perhaps as follows (potential new content is bolded below):

..., and that she had declined to participate in the investigation being undertaken by the organization that had employed her alleged abuser, a decision she explained in a later tweet as being made in order to avoid associated risk(s).{tweet-cite}

It isn't explicitly clear (to me) what the nature of the risk of participation in the investigation would have been for Dykstra, so my proposed edit is worded carefully (though ambiguously) to avoid presumptions on that score. Sharl928 (talk) 06:37, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]