Talk:Brother Chidananda

Religion vs Church question

Hi @Azure Dave I changed the religion back to Hinduism. I don't believe Self-Realization Fellowship is a religion but a church. Putting it back brought the orange color back. When you click edit the first thing you see is the info box. Scroll down to quote and type it in the empty space. Hope that helps.Red Rose 13 (talk) 01:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Dear Red Rose 13. Thanks for fixing the color and for your other edits, but let's talk about "religion." Based on Yogananda's publications and philosophy, Self-Realization Fellowship (SRF) is not Hinduism, though it was influenced by some of the tenets of Sanatan Dharma (Hinduism). To quote one of the Aims and Ideals of SRF (written by Yogananda): "To reveal the complete harmony and basic oneness of original Christianity as taught by Jesus Christ and original Yoga as taught by Bhagavan Krishna; and to show that these principles of truth are the common scientific foundation of all true religions." So it is at least as much Christianity as it is Yoga (one of the major philosophies in Sanatan Dharma, the real name for the spiritual tradition of India). If you look in the Oxford Dictionary of World Religions you will find a listing for Self-Realization Fellowship: https://www.amazon.com/Oxford-Dictionary-World-Religions/dp/0192139657/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3L4OYVZJZ5VN9&keywords=oxford+dictionary+of+religion&qid=1643940577&sprefix=oxford+dictionary+of+religion%2Caps%2C118&sr=8-3 or https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780192800947/page/524/mode/2up

So, for accuracy, I don't think it is correct to refer to Yogananda's church as belonging to "Hinduism". I suggest two possible solutions (1) we remove the religion entry in the bio box or (2) we leave it as Self-Realization Fellowship (per the Oxford Dictionary). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azure Dave (talk • contribs) 02:25, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Often times if I am not sure of something, I contact the organization on the page I am editing for clarification, usually the public relations department. Have you done that?Red Rose 13 (talk) 15:25, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I did that for the Paramahansa Yogananda page.Red Rose 13 (talk) 15:30, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Red Rose 13, it is interesting that Yogananda used to call his Fellowship “The Church of All Religions,” (see these links: https://yoganandasite.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/selfrealization01.jpg and https://yoganandasite.wordpress.com/2016/04/17/meaning-of-srfyss-and-church-of-all-religions/ ) because he felt so strongly in the unity of religions and that they all had the same goal of reuniting humans with the Creator.

Here is a quote from the chapter “The Universality of Yoga” in Yogananda’s book Man’s Eternal Quest: “We should begin to build world unity with the idea that has been initiated by Self-Realization Fellowship: a “Church of All Religions”; not eclecticism, but respect for all religions as constituting various paths to God. Such temples, dedicated to the one God that all religions worship, should be built everywhere. I predict that this will come about. East and West should destroy forever narrow divisions in the houses of God. Attaining Self-realization through Yoga, men will come to know that they are all children of the one Father."

At Sunday services at SRF centers and meditation groups, the following is read and it is the closest you will get to putting the Fellowship into a specific religion “box”: “We want to welcome you to our service. This meditation group is composed of members and friends of Self-Realization Fellowship, a worldwide nonprofit religious organization with international headquarters in Los Angeles, California. Self-Realization Fellowship was founded in 1920 by Paramahansa Yogananda for the purpose of disseminating Kriya Yoga, a definite scientific technique for attaining direct personal experience of God. Through its worldwide service and teachings, Self-Realization Fellowship seeks to awaken greater understanding of the harmony underlying all true religions, and a fuller expression in this world of the love that unites all people when they realize their oneness in God.”

The full SRF Aims and Ideals also gives a good idea of their philosophy about their organization (https://yogananda.org/aims-and-ideals ).

I have significant experience with SRF, having been an approved SRF meditation and service reader for the last 40 years, and am representing this issue based on this experience and knowledge, including relying on the numerous SRF and Yogananda publications, as well as having attended many classes given by their ministers and monastics. In all of these experiences with SRF over the years, I can recall no one in an official position who has ever referred to SRF as Hinduism.

If you think it valuable to put an entry in the Religion field, my preferences are in this order: (1) Self-Realization Fellowship, (2) Yoga, or (3) simply erase this field in the bio box. Azure Dave (talk) 05:33, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining your thoughts. Did you receive my email?Red Rose 13 (talk) 06:59, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Rose, the only email I've seen is a standard wikimedia email that says you changed this page. Was there something more? Azure Dave (talk) 21:04, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I emailed you - perhaps it is in your spam folder?Red Rose 13 (talk) 21:07, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok I just emailed you again.Red Rose 13 (talk) 21:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Azure Dave. It is ok with me if we delete the Religion category. It is not necessary. Feel free to do that.Red Rose 13 (talk) 08:00, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Religion category is in all other articles so it is right. Look where start the article. And RedRose13 when you have problems with my edits dont ping me. Thank you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encinitas_Gardens_of_Self_Realization_Fellowship_Hermitage --Riquix (talk) 10:22, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Please accept the SRF meaning and bring again this own theories from the science point it is also clear that Yogananda Path is Hinduism. Her previous discussion from Red Rose 13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Paramahansa_Yogananda/Archive_1#Info_box_correction --Riquix (talk) 16:49, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Azure David just created this page and wants to do his own communication regarding Hinduism so for now we are taking it out of the info box. Let's assume good faith [1] and also allow him time to do this. There is no rush.Red Rose 13 (talk) 15:27, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Red Rose 13 and Riquix, thanks so much for your help on improving these pages! Good stuff, and I look forward to working with you. Yes, I’ll be staying in contact with the SRF headquarters.Azure Dave (talk) 22:47, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Photo deleted

@Azure Dave:The photo you added was deleted. Here is the link explaining why. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=Brother_Chidananda,_5th_President_of_SRF-YSS,_15Nov2017_God_Talks_With_Arjuna_-_Hindi_translation_release.jpg]Red Rose 13 (talk) 02:21, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Name, siblings and Admiral

Again Internet search Brother Chidananda full Name is: Christopher Hartwell Bagley and have siblings: Marie Louise Luddy of Marin County, Calif., David W. Bagley II of San Diego, Dr. Peter H. Bagley of Weston, Mass., Christopher H. Bagley of Los Angeles and Laura Ridderhof of Smyrna, Del.

Actually, there is not my job right now after these last actions. Maybe there is even more clear source. Even more clearly that he it is would better. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1992/04/08/adm-david-bagley-dies/cee4ad7b-213b-4c91-b71c-c8e12979b526/ --Riquix (talk) 17:46, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for using my article as a reference. But I wrote that in the before does not stand if he is it, he has only same name. As I said a unique reference would be appropriate in this statement.--Riquix (talk) 15:10, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

I have found it.

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/C0162095 --Riquix (talk) 15:39, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Signature

There was a discussion about signatures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Paramahansa_Yogananda/Archive_1#signatur Do you have a problem with it? In your link, criteria are called, which are given.--Riquix (talk) 18:34, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Vivikananda and Yogananda are both deceased. Brother Chidananda is living and falls under the LP guidelines that I referred to in the editing comment = removed signature using the guidelines for Living Persons [[2]] Please review the signatures of living persons guideline.Red Rose 13 (talk) 21:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

There is not that it is generally not allowed: "Criteria to consider would be whether: (1) the subject has published their own signature; (2) secondary sources have reproduced the signature, with the subject's consent; (3) the image of the signature is from a reliable source, and (4) the signature is directly relevant to the article in which it is displayed." I hope yourself take it exactly with the Wikipedia rules, your edits. In my link are also, for example, two I think living persons. There is certainly not so popular persons where life and signature are in it. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama. --Riquix (talk) 10:19, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Automatic reference list

@Riquix: I am proposing we create an automatic reference list. As soon as we add a reference it is automatically added to the reference list. We won't need to double our work. Let me know what you think.Red Rose 13 (talk) 17:30, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I do not know exactly what you mean with automatic reference list. As far as I know, there are Tools where the reference automatically creates. But in the end, you almost do the same as if you insert it by hand. Is my knowledge only with a new link question. And they are, I think little.--Riquix (talk) 13:39, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I can fix it so that when we add a formatted reference it automatically fills in the reference list without us having to do it twice.Red Rose 13 (talk) 17:53, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, try out.--Riquix (talk) 18:26, 12 April 2022 (UTC)