Talk:Braj Bhasha

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The result of the move request was page moved.  Skomorokh, barbarian  10:43, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

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Brij Bhasha → Braj Bhasha — Sirs, the standard spelling for this in Britanica and all my scholarly tomes from Oxford, Cambrige, ect. spell tis as Braj and then add other spellings owing to the sound some hear when the a is said. Even Monier Williams uses Braj as do Indian Scholars. This dictionary is bein copied by many other sites, yet in the second paragraph and throughout the article - BRIG is never used again. Please change this. My attempt failed Atmamatma (talk) 08:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

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In the Categories section on the bottom, Braj should be listed as a 'Dialect of Hindi' rather than a 'Dialect of Urdu'. It is officially and popularly considered part of the Hindi canon, not the Urdu canon. --Foreverknowledge (talk) 23:15, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

It is, but Urdu was added as well, by an IP. Removed. — kwami (talk) 01:13, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

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Dialect of Urdu

Braj Bhasha is also viewed as a Urdu dialect,

Source: also viewed as a dialect of Urdu,

Dawn is a news site, but certainly not a reliable source for linguistic topics. –Austronesier (talk) 19:05, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

It's a news site, but it's added the information, with the linguists topics, so it's reliable. 39.51.110.120 (talk) 19:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

No, I agree with Austronesier. The dawn.com article says "The information is based on some books and www.ethnologue.com" ; ethnologue does not say that it can be classified as an Urdu dialect. About Braj Bhasha, it says "Muhammad Hussain Azad had opined in Aab-i-hayat that Urdu had developed from Brij Bhasha spoken in the areas around Agra and Mathura"; Muhammad Hussain Azad was an author, not a linguistic scholar, and he lived more than 100 years ago. The dawn.com article cannot be used as a source for this information. --bonadea contributions talk 19:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Read dawn's post title carefully, "https://www.dawn.com › ... › Karachi

Web results literary notes: Some dialects of Urdu: a very brief introduction - Dawn" 39.51.110.120 (talk) 19:17, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

The dawn.com article is not a reliable source for this information, regardless of what its title is. --bonadea contributions talk 19:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

The ethnologue.com is also saying that, but first we should pay for reading it 39.51.110.120 (talk) 19:33, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

No, the information in Ethnologue is free and crystal clear:[1]. Braj does not belong to Hindi-Urdu-Hindustani. –Austronesier (talk) 19:38, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Actually, the language profile for Braj Bhasha at https://www.ethnologue.com/language/bra/23 (which I have access to, through my university library) says "Braj Bhasha is usually considered a dialect of Hindi [hin], and was the predominant literary language before the switch to Hindi in the 19th century." It is a little peculiar that it would say "usually considered a dialect of Hindi" given that the language tree does not place BB below Hindi, but I think that is simply a matter of phrasing, that "considered" refers to unproved speculation. The relevant point is that Ethnologue does not say that it is ever considered a dialect of Urdu. --bonadea contributions talk 19:46, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bonadea: Usage of the term "Hindi" is quite flexible, cf. Hindi (disambiguation). Present-day Braj speakers usually self-identify as Hindi-speakers in the wider sense, and use Modern Standard Hindi as their literary language, since their own old literary tradition has largely discontinued in favor of Hindustani-based Hindi. –Austronesier (talk) 20:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, I am not lying, I really watched this type of something - 39.51.110.120 (talk) 19:56, 31 May 2020 (UTC)