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A fact from Bergdorf Goodman Building appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 September 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that "New York's wealthiest janitor" lived atop the Bergdorf Goodman Building?

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The result was: promoted by Kimikel talk 01:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Bergdorf Goodman Building

... that "New York's wealthiest janitor" lived atop the Bergdorf Goodman Building? Source: "Edwin Goodman, 76 Merchant, is Dead; Bergdorf Goodman Co-Founder Was Eminent in Fashions Became Partner at 24". The New York Times. August 20, 1953
- ALT1: ... that Bergdorf Goodman's president became a janitor so he could live atop the Bergdorf Goodman Building? Source: "Edwin Goodman, 76 Merchant, is Dead; Bergdorf Goodman Co-Founder Was Eminent in Fashions Became Partner at 24". The New York Times. August 20, 1953
- ALT2: ... that the Bergdorf Goodman Building's architecture was intended to evoke the design of the Cornelius Vanderbilt II House, which it replaced? Source: "Real Estate in City and Suburbs: $5,000,000 Vanderbilt Corner Lease Bergdorf & Goodman Co. Rents Building Planned for Fifth Ave. and 58th St. Part of Chateau Site". New York Herald Tribune. March 12, 1927. p. 24.
- ALT3: ... that Bergdorf Goodman originally did not want its store to become a New York City landmark because of concerns over tenants and mortgages? Source: Dash, Earl A. (March 25, 1971). "Broadway-Hale Buys Bergdorf's: Goodman Talked To Marcus,Liked Deal N-M Got: The Same Family". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 122, no. 58. pp. 1, 11.
- ALT4: ... that the Bergdorf Goodman Building in New York City was designed to resemble "an elegant Parisian avenue"? Source: Bergdorf Goodman (PDF) (Report). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. December 13, 2016.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Drukqs

Created by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 666 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 14:26, 8 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Excellent work! Looks good. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 00:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: TheNuggeteer (talk · contribs) 12:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very large article, guess I'm going to review this. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC) By looking at this, this is a drive-by nom, did you get consensus from Epicgenius?[reply]

@TheNuggeteer, thanks for taking up the review. It's a self-drive-by nomination, for the avoidance of doubt. I nominated this article a few days after creating it (i even double checked to see if this wasn't accidentally nominated by someone else). Epicgenius (talk) 12:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, came here from WP:GARC, thought Rollinginhisgrave was the nom, really sorry! 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Due to Rollinginhisgrave rejecting his review, I'm giving him this review if he agrees, just want to notify you. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 00:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheNuggeteer, that sounds good. Thanks for the heads up. – Epicgenius (talk) 02:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria 1

Is the word 'women' supposed to be capitalized? (lead)
- I'm not entirely sure. It's not technically a proper name; "women's store" is more of a descriptor. Epicgenius (talk) 13:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spotcheck

Y
Y
Y - Accepted in good faith, offline
Y - Accepted in good faith, offline
Y
Y - You can include more information about the source.
I have added publisher and volume info. Epicgenius (talk) 13:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Y - Accepted in good faith, offline

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GA Review

Passed. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 22:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 00:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 03:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this. It's been a bit over a month since I've reviewed one of yours, and although my plan to get some variety in reviewers has fallen through in this case, I'm happy to review this over the next few days. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay, I'll get to the rest of this over the next few hours. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 07:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All done! Looking good, a few things to review. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 02:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose and content

Wikilinks: milliner
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gloss: Steuben Glass, Daniel Boulud
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Mutual Life Insurance Company took over the buildings at a foreclosure auction in 1934. This is a bit confusing. I understand that the site contained several "structures" at this point. But in the next sentence Bergdorf Goodman "expanded its store into the entire building."
- I have clarified this. At the time, the building was still composed of several distinct storefronts. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The design ~~of the building~~ was intended to evoke the architecture
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The land lot is mostly rectangular approximately rectangular?
- One could say that, yes. The northern half of the lot extends ever so slightly further west than the southern half. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alice Vanderbilt requested permission to sell the Vanderbilt Mansion could you say why she needed permission?
- I've clarified as to why she needed permission (basically, she didn't own the house outright, she only had a life estate). Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Mrs.~~ Vanderbilt's request
- I've removed this by rewording the sentence. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bergdorf Goodman also offered to buy the rest of the Vanderbilt site outright But keep renting the corner structure?
- Actually, the store offered to buy the entire property, including the corner structure Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the next several decades, the Fifth Avenue building would remain Bergdorf Goodman's only location. WP:WOULDCHUCK
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~View of~~ the northern end
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thomas E. Greacen II redesigned that storefront had the storefront redesigned. Don't need to mention Thomas E. Greacen II's name, unless he's notable.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tailored Woman announced that it would close its store at 742 Fifth Avenue. when?
- Added. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The plans included adding a new entrance This kind of "it was announced" / "the plans included" content is inferior to just saying a new entrance was added, as long as it is reasonable to believe that there weren't issues (on the correct side of SYNTH). This seems to fall in that bucket as you mention a few sentences later that, indeed, a new entrance did open up.
- I've reworded this. As far as I know, no significant changes were made to the plans after they were announced. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Goodman leased the building to Broadway-Hale and continued to live in his penthouse apartment atop the building introduce that Goodman was living in this apartment. As far as I can tell, it was only mentioned that his father had lived there.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bergdorf Goodman announced in 1981... this paragraph has the same "it was announced" issues, and skirts into WP:WOULDCHUCK
- In this case, the renovation was only announced in 1981; work didn't begin until the next year. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
warehouse in Queens, WP:CINS
- I have reworded this. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions

linen shop Mosse Inc false title
- Oops, I've fixed this. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
6.075 million template:inflation
- I've converted this to use Template:US$, which incorporates inflation conversions automatically. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I might have missed it, but can you mention when Edwin Goodman dies?
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
which sold teenage girls' clothing a bit clumsy, can you write clothing for teenage girls ?
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
mansard roof don't need to link this again in the next line.
- Removed the link. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
each ranging from 6 to 8 stories MOS:NUMERAL
- Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redlink Angela Cummings, she certainly appears notable
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

[25] Y
[50] Y Though this article is claiming Brown bought the house in 1923.
- This is contradicted by contemporary sources, which indicate that the Vanderbilt house wasn't even placed on sale until 1925. As such, I didn't think an explanatory footnote was necessary. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[75] Y
[101] Y
[125] Y
[150] Y
[176] Y
[200] Y
[225] clock I think this is a stronger claim than the source is making
- Oops. I have reworded this to clarify that only the sixth-floor renovation started at this time. Epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[250] Y
[275] Y

Other

Images all appropriately tagged Y (it is a shame there aren't images of the interior / window displays)
No issues with COPYVIO / OR Y (earwig 36.3%, locations)
Broad / summary style Y
Neutral Y
Stable Y

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 02:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I missed this. I'll fix these shortly. – Epicgenius (talk) 19:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rollinginhisgrave, sorry for the late responses. I have now addressed all the issues you've brought up. – Epicgenius (talk) 19:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking great, passing Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 22:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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