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EuropeanBeerGuide

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I note there has been some edit warring over this external link. The source is acceptable under ELMaybe criteria 4 as it is a respected source referred to by other reliable sources and written by Ron Pattinson, a respected beer researcher - see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Beer#Europeanbeerguide. The matter has been discussed previously, and consensus was that the source is acceptable as an External link, though there was no consensus on using EuropeanBeerGuide as a reliable source. Any concerns or questions about this, please either get in touch with me, or leave a comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beer. SilkTork *YES! 10:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protect

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The article has received some vandalism - while much of this appears to be edit warring over the inclusion of the EBG link, there is other vandalism apparent, and a period of stability would be worthwhile. I have semi-protected the article for a month. SilkTork *YES! 10:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where does one find a skilled artisan in the form of a boot? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.45.56.195 (talk) 17:59, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Beer in German Länder

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When I used to enjoy the beer in Germany, I was told that a beer could not be sold elsewhere in the country in another Federal Land. A Bitburg beer could not, in that case, be served outside of Rhineland-Pfalz as an example. It was as if the Rheinheitsgebot stipulated the beer could not travel.

The rule did not seem to apply to exports as Bavarian Löwebrau had always been available in the UK and in recent years many more German beers are available here too.

I would appreciate someone with a more authorative view to say whether there is any truth in this.

81.154.189.222 (talk) 20:06, 27 December 2010 (UTC) KG UK. (Account details mislaid).[reply]

Oh boy, somebody got his leg pulled. Definitely not true. I've had Flensburger in Munich and Erdinger in Kiel. --2003:F4:1BCB:9C01:F818:710:47CF:2A83 (talk) 09:26, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, being German myself and being quite interested in beer in general, I have never heard of such a rule - and I doubt it exists. You find lots of beers from everywhere in the country which are sold elsewhere. The better knows bavarian brands for example are to be found like everywhere and certain lagers from the north are sold in supermarkets, bars etc. in Munich as well. I have bought Bitburger beer at least in Schleswig-Holstein as well as in Northrine-Westphalia.

I can only guess what this story of inner-german export interdiction was about. I can well imagine that there used to exist restrictions regarding trade in beer among the former sovereign states prior to 1871 or even till 1919. There are also loads of very small breweries especially in the south of Germany which exclusively sell their beer locally, in most cases even restricted to their proper bar. But this is due to the small size of these breweries and not to a law of any sort. Or the person who told you that might have talked about the fact that certain beers are unacceptable to people from certain other regions, as you will never ever find a bar in Düsseldorf selling Kölsch. But this is due to cultural reasons, a certain localism.--129.70.85.161 (talk) 14:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Needs doing

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Some discussion of the differences between bierkellers, Kneipes, etc. 1Z (talk) 15:42, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Zoigl edits

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This line: "advertised with a "Zoigl" - a six-pointed blue-white star" - says that Zoigl is a six-points star. Also Zoigl is not home brewing. It is communal brewing. Perhaps for more information, you should read this: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bier_in_Deutschland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.160.54.33 (talk) 18:34, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the de.wiki article about "Brauerstern" (Former Brewery): [2]. It says: "The six-pointed Zoigl star formed from two interlocking equilateral triangles symbolize the three elements involved in the brewing fire, water and air as well as in the Middle Ages known ingredients water, malt and hops." The article for Zoigl says "Zoigl is a bottom-fermented beer..." So it seems it can be used to denote a type of beer or a type of star. But that does not mean that "Zoigl means star". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have re-edited this to make it clear. The fact that the symbol is commonly referred to as a "Brauerstern" does not alter the fact that Zoigl means "sign" (probably related to Siegel (seal or stamp). Wahrmund (talk) 20:16, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That looks a lot like WP:OR Wahrmund, but it also looks totally plausible! In the de.wiki article Zoiglstern is liked to Brauerstern, which in turn translates as simply "Former brewery". The sign was being used as early as 1402. The French version is Étoile des brasseurs and the Polish is Gwiazda piwowarska. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:24, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it is now much better. I am however confused by the translation of Brauerstern as "former brewery." The article says it is a symbol of a guild. The article also says there is a picture from a book from 1379 showing a monk brewing beer and the star is also shown. As far as I know, this symbol comes from the middle ages, possibly as early as the eighth or ninth century.

Yes. Not sure why Google translation gives that. I would have thought the literal translation would be "Brewery star". Martinevans123 (talk) 09:15, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It means "brewer's star." Wahrmund (talk) 18:51, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks, you're quite right, it's not "Brauereistern". But any ideas about the Google version? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:23, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Repeal in 1988

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"For many years German beer was brewed in adherence to the Reinheitsgebot order or law which only permitted water, hops and malt as beer ingredients until its repeal in 1988."

This is, in fact, wrong. The Rheinheitsgebot was never "repealed". German Beer went through several laws and while European laws made it possible to import accordingly labeled beer with additional ingredients as well as producing such exclusively meant for export, the Rheinheitsgebot remains unchanged regarding ingredients as well as production of German Beer. I will delete the false information. Cheers. --77.10.109.123 (talk) 23:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The top picture displays Kölsch which has a market share of 1.7%.[1] If no objections pop up I will exchange it for a picture of Pils which has a market share of 55.1%. Kind regards, or rather cheers, Grueslayer Let's talk. 10:30, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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"At the Octoberfest beer is available in Maßkrug or half-litre 'Halb'.". Who wrote this? I live 15 mins down the road and over 13 years have been probably 50 times. I have never seen half-litre Maßkrugs being used. You might see a .5 litre of Weizen being served, but that comes in a Weizen glass, not a krug. DaioftheTriffids (talk) 09:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)DaioftheTriffidsDaioftheTriffids (talk) 09:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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