Talk:Battle of Mu'tah

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2024

Both sides claim victory. We have traditions from times of Muhammad which claimed muslim victory. + sayfullah title is from Hadith, from oral tradition from times of Prophet, not 3AH

2A00:F41:8032:39A3:416A:7B9E:D836:DB2A (talk) 13:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. SerChevalerie (talk) 21:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I want establish true information: from „Byzantine victory” to „Rashidun victory” 2A00:F41:8049:BE67:8D40:8CAA:91D9:43CA (talk) 18:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2024

Please update the section on the number of participants in the Battle of Mu'tah to include more detailed and reliable information.

Suggested Text: The Battle of Mu'tah, which took place in September 629 AD (Jumada al-Awwal 8 Hijri), involved a Muslim army of 3,000 men led initially by Zaid ibn Harithah. They faced a significantly larger Byzantine force, supported by various Arabian Christian tribes. Estimates of the Byzantine force size vary, with some sources citing 100,000 troops and others suggesting the number could be as high as 200,000.

The battle was triggered by the killing of the Prophet Muhammad's envoy, Harith ibn Umair, by a Byzantine official. This led to the dispatch of the Muslim army, which fought valiantly despite being heavily outnumbered. The command of the Muslim forces passed successively from Zaid ibn Harithah to Ja'far ibn Abi Talib, and then to Abdullah ibn Rawahah, each of whom was martyred. Khalid ibn al-Walid eventually took command and utilized strategic maneuvers that created the illusion of reinforcements, compelling the Byzantine forces to withdraw. This battle ended without a decisive victor.

Reliable Sources: Life in Saudi Arabia - 6 Facts about the Battle of Mu'tah Whom Muhammad Is - Battle of Mu'tah: Reasons, Objectives, Events & Results Learn Seerah - The Battle of Mu’tah Explanation: The above sources provide detailed accounts of the number of participants and the events leading to and during the Battle of Mu'tah. They offer consistent information on the size of the Muslim army and the Byzantine forces, as well as the strategic actions taken by Khalid ibn al-Walid that influenced the battle's outcome.

Please let me know if further information or clarification is needed. Thank you for considering this request. Zxrro1 (talk) 12:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 14:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2024

In the battle Khalid Bin Walid was able to fool Romans with his tactics.Romans lost 3000(accroding to sources) while Rashidun lost 12(accroding to sources)Rashidun lost less, fooled Roman,at the end Rashidun forces decided to leave Romans were tried and knew it will brought destruction upon them also so they also didn't attack and went back.Khalid Bin Waleed was in the battle.He is considered undefeated by Wikipedia, chatgpt and other source.So the battle being considered Rashidun lost does not make sense.The battle is considered to be a Rashidun victory by subsequent sources, primary sources,google,Hadith and chatgpt etc as Rashidun lost only 12 while Byzantine lost 3000 even after having a way larger army.The battle should be considered a Rashidun victory! --A request to people-- To not edit it to Byzantine victory and to accept that Rashidun Caliphate was the winner 2A00:F41:8049:BE67:8D40:8CAA:91D9:43CA (talk) 17:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I want establish true information - Rashidun victory 2A00:F41:8049:BE67:8D40:8CAA:91D9:43CA (talk) 18:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. CloakedFerret (talk) 02:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Saif-ur-Rahman Mubarakpuri, ar-Raheeq al-Makhtoom, "The Sealed Nectar", Islamic University of Medina, Dar-us-Salam publishers ISBN 1-59144-071-8

General A. I. Akram, The Sword of Allah: Khalid bin Al-Waleed, Chapter 6, p. 2

Gibb, H. A. R. (1993). "Muʾta". In Nuhl, F.. Encyclopaedia of Islam. 7 (Second ed.). BRILL. pp. 756–757. ISBN 9789004094192. http://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-2/muta-SIM_5637. Retrieved 1 August 2012.

Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad (Allah's peace and blessing be upon him), Translated by Isma'il Razi A. al-Faruqi, 1976, American Trust Publications ISBN 0-89259-002-5

Sayed Ali Asgher Razwy (1996), A Restatement of the History of Islam and Muslims, The Battle of Mootah, ISBN 0-9509879-1-3

"Muʾta", F. Buhl, in Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition, edited by: P. Bearman, Th. Bianquis, C.E. Bosworth, E. van Donzel and W. P. Heinrichs. Brill, 2010. Accessed 2 October 2010 via Brill Online

Sahih al-Bukhari 4262

p. 36, The Chronicle of Theophanes, tr. Harry Turtledove, University of Pennsylvania, 1982, ISBN 978-0-8122-1128-3.

Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Fath al-Bari 7/511

Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya, Zad al-Ma'ad 2/155 2A00:F41:804F:F3A8:BD62:3ED5:3ACB:E402 (talk) 03:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2024

I sent all sources few days Ago 2A00:F41:80D2:1F51:39E0:3198:AB7C:F416 (talk) 10:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 12:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)