Talk:Adi Koll

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Kol vs Koll

I've moved the article back on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME as the English language press in Israel almost always uses "Kol":

Haaretz 2720 for Kol, 1 for Koll
Jerusalem Post: 199 for Kol, none for Koll
Times of Israel: 35 for Kol, 4 for Kol
Ynetnews: 23 for Kol, 4 for Kol

Number 5 7 23:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is a big difference between a common nickname or pseudonym and a pure error stemming from ignorance. Wikipedia should not encourage mistakes. Article should be reverted to Koll. DGtal (talk) 23:43, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But there is neither here. The name is transliterated from Hebrew, and there is only one "l" in the Hebrew version. There are of course differences of opinion over how to transliterate names, but it seems the press have done so fairly consistently in one way (in the same way as Moshe Kol). Number 5 7 07:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You assume the name is a transliteration from the hebrew word קול (translated voice) but we don't really know this is true. The surname Koll is a legitimate family name (I have no clue about its origins or meaning) and this may well be her forefathers original family name. We know she wrote Koll on her JSD Thesis, You can also see it on her NYC marriage certificate she posted on facebook [1] and the Knesset site in English also uses Koll. Clearly Kol is a mistake, why duplicate it? DGtal (talk) 10:42, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it a mistake? Different people transliterate things in different ways - that's why we have Chaim Weizmann and Ezer Weizman from the same family. Does someone's personal preference for how their name is transliterated take precedence over how it is usually written in reliable sources? I'm not sure we have a guideline on this, so I suggest the best remedy for this is a requested move. Number 5 7 22:32, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Koll writes her name Koll, as I have clearly proven. If someone writes her name differently he cannot be considered "reliable sources" in this context. There is only one truth in this case. DGtal (talk) 06:38, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you have proven that, but I have also shown that the mainstream media spells the name "Kol", and they are clearly reliable sources (as is the Electoral Commission). As I said, just start a move request if you want the article moved. Number 5 7 12:55, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 January 2014

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. I also note that this reverts a BOLD move to the previous title. --BDD (talk) 23:09, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Adi Kol → Adi Koll – Dr. Adi Koll writes her name in English with a double l, this is clear from her JSD thesis entry, from her official Knesset English language sub-site and from her NYC marriage certificate posted on her Facebook page [2]. The other option is Kol, which is, as User:Number 57 has well proven, much more popular in the English-Language Israeli media. My claim is that the media assumed the family name comes from the Hebrew word קול (voice) and therefore transliterates as Kol, but it is very possible that the name came with her family from Europe, wher Koll is a legitimate surname, so my claim is that Kol is a mistake and wikipedia should not perpetuate mistakes (a comment "(often misspelled Kol)" should be enough). --Relisted. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 00:06, 31 January 2014 (UTC) DGtal (talk) 14:38, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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