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September 10

September 10, 2024 (2024-09-10) (Tuesday)

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  • The death toll from the capsizing of a migrant boat off the coast of Senegal over the weekend increases to 26 after the discovery of 17 more bodies. (Reuters)

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September 9

September 9, 2024 (2024-09-09) (Monday)

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RD: Raja Petra Kamarudin

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Article: Raja Petra Kamarudin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Star
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Tofusaurus (talk) 03:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(RD posted) Blurb/RD: James Earl Jones

Proposed image
Article: James Earl Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American actor James Earl Jones (pictured) dies at the age of 93 (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Masem (t) 20:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm surprised that you put Harrison Ford as "debatable/possible", but are certain about Samuel L. Jackson. Ford not only was Han Solo but was the lead roles in the Indiana Jones and Blade Runner series, not to mention starring in The Fugitive and Air Force One. Nonetheless, support blurb when ready. Natg 19 (talk) 22:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is zero reason to make any assumption that people that have starred in Star Wars should automatically be consdiered for blurbs. That's not a criteria at all. Having starred in Star Wars may have launched major careers (like Ford or Hamill), or may have cemented their place as an actor, but it is absolutely wrong to claim being in Star Wars is important enough. We're not TV Tropes or a pop culture musuem, we are an encyclopedia. — Masem (t) 02:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not true. The death of major figures may merit a blurb per WP:ITNRDBLURB. Whether Jones is a "major figure" or not is debatable, but there is no blanket prohibition against death blurbs for "old people dying". Natg 19 (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blurbing support. Worldwide household name. Who doesn't know Darth Vader??? Kasperquickly (talk) 00:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, Oppose blurb because he's notable in cinema, but not worldwide. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 00:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per the article, Jones has been recognised as an early pioneer in African Americans in stage and television, with his career spanning back to the prejudiced years of 1965. This take does speak to notability outside of his various roles and I don't think could be said for many actors. Promethean (talk) 12:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb per above. A popular actor with EGOT. LiamKorda 09:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • all EGOT winners are popular in some sense. What is it that makes James Earl Jones transformative and more deserving of a blurb than most popular actors? Humbledaisy (talk) 09:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes. Hyperbolick (talk) 10:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'm asking what the rationale is. What is it that lifts James Earl Jones above the likes of Kirk Douglas, another American actor who had a long career with various awards and died at a very advanced age, or Michael Gambon, another veteran who was not a consistent leading man but is world-famous for playing a central character in a genre film franchise? I haven't seen anyone make a case - people are treating this as if it's a dead cert. Humbledaisy (talk) 11:12, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb. Not transformative. (Also not well known in UK apart from Star Wars). Martinevans123 (talk) 09:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb His article got over a million readers yesterday and that's a fairly reliable rule of thumb for whether someone has sufficient fame to get a blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One wonders what difference posting to Main page will cause to number of views? What's the usual effect? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For one RD post, Eric Sievers, he died on April 10, was posted to RD on April 14, and received ~7,000 more views that day after trending down the previous days.[3] Not sure about the effect of a blurb, or a pictured blurb. —Bagumba (talk) 10:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Many thanks. I was thinking more of someone like this. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We do not care about page views here, again. Nor are page views any indication about whether we should post a blurb (that would make it a popularity game and that's a disservice to the main page) — Masem (t) 11:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So if someone dies Sunday and their page gets 100,000 views on Monday and Tuesday... then their RD gets posted to Main page on Wednesday, and the page gets 50,000 views for the rest of the week.... That's all just irrelevant? ITN/RD is still worth all the effort? (I guess this question should really be discussed at ITN Talk). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If that were the case, then we'd close blurbs and RDs within 2 days because what's the point then? We'd like to make sure things are timely, but we also need to make sure all aspects are met before posting, and thus we have the 7 day period for candidates to be considered. We're not here to make sure the most popular news stories are being pushed to the ITN box, but to showcase quality articles that are in the news, if that happens to be someone popular that brings a lot of views from the main page, great, but its by no means any rational we have to post something. Consider that probably the bulk of those million views for JEJ were well before RD was posted, so it is not like readers cannot find their way to that article without ITN's help. Masem (t) 12:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We might close them if monitoring of page views was an agreed part of the process? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD posted Blurb discussion can continue.—Bagumba (talk) 11:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Decent actor? Yes. Transformative? No. I really don't like to criticise other editor's reasoning, but let's be clear here - Kirk Douglas didn't get a blurb because "old man dies". Is Jones on a higher level? I really don't want to mention the Carrie Fisher effect here, but - oops, sorry. But really, how many non-Star Wars fans outside the US would even know who he was? Black Kite (talk) 12:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 8

September 8, 2024 (2024-09-08) (Sunday)

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RD: Ed Kranepool

Article: Ed Kranepool (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports, AP News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former first baseman for the New York Mets. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C33:5504:7A1B:88BA (talk) 02:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ana Gervasi

Article: Ana Gervasi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Infobae
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in a good enough shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

US Open Tennis

Article: Jannik Sinner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Jannik Sinner (men's singles) and Aryna Sabalenka (women's singles) win the 2024 US Open. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, CNN (for Sabalenka)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Both articles are GAs, and US Open wins (men's and women's posted together) are covered by ITNR. Not sure how to do it with two pictures -- I assume in practice we would alternate them? UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In practice, both images will be combined into one, and the combined one will be used. – robertsky (talk) 07:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing: Israel–Hezbollah conflict

Article: Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Even if there is clear link with the Gaza war, this is still a different conflict, widely covered. --Roncanada (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The linked article asserts this is part of the Israel-Hamas conflict that started in Oct 2023. I'm not seeing how it is different. The linked article above is linked in one of the top navboxes of the main Israel-Hamas page as well. Masem (t) 15:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft oppose Problem I have with including this in the ongoing section is that currently the conflict is little more than drone and artillery strikes by both sides. If the Israeli army launched a ground offensive into Lebanon, or vice versa, than I would support inclusion. Scu ba (talk) 15:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless conflict escalates - Right now it's confined to skirmishes and not a full-scale conflict. If we must post this I say we include a spillover link in the ongoing item PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above - thus far it's just been exchanges of rocket fire and airstrikes, which is pretty much what it's been for a long time - just that they've gotten more frequent that normal. The Kip (contribs) 16:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose more similar to the Kashmiri conflict then a full scale war. Wait until a proper invasion by ground troops and then we’ll add it to ongoing. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 05:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per Abcmaxx. This is an ongoing event with regular updates. I would also accept bringing back the "Spillover of the Israel-Hamas war" ongoing item. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While, I leaning oppose as of right now, I would say that there are already three ongoing entries. Four would be far too much. I suggest we should one of them before adding this one. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The number of ongoing items currently listed shouldn't be a factor, merely that there's just a lot going on in the world right now. Each nomination should be decided on its own merits. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support merging with Israel–Hamas War ongoing. I don't see that we need two different ongoings for two different aspects of essentially the same conflict. What to call it though? "Israeli-wars"?, "Israel-Palestine conflicts"? "Palestine situation"? - it's hard to think of a title that is both encompassing and neutral. Nfitz (talk) 13:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not even an Israeli-Arab war it is much more nuanced than that. However, not convinced it is the same conflict. Yes, Hamas and Hezbollah are linked, and obviously one conflict escalation led to the other, but Lebanon isn’t Palestine and it brings a whole different set of issues and potential outcomes. I would argue even that what happens in the West Bank is not the same conflict as what happens in Gaza; different political forces, different area, different issues to contend with. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Scu Ba and PrecariousWorlds. FlipandFlopped ツ 21:59, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now per Scu ba & PrecariousWorlds. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Henny Moan

Article: Henny Moan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Norwegian actress. Seems sufficiently cited, except for filmography section (which needs citations). Oceanh (talk) 09:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per MOS:FILMCAST, a citation isn't required (though there's nothing stopping us providing one) as long as the role is credited. UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FILMCAST applies to pages about films, not to BLP, which have higher standards for sourcing. Masem (t) 15:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They do, but FILMCAST applies to film-related articles, not exclusively articles about films (an article on a film actor qualifies as "film-related", in my view, under any reasonable reading). The BLP sourcing standards in question are that any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be sourced. Putting those together, a citation would of course be welcome in any case, and required if there was a reasonable chance that someone would dispute whether she held a particular role. UndercoverClassicist T·C 16:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see where it says a citation is not required. Can you quote the excerpt? —Bagumba (talk) 06:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Typhoon Yagi

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Article: Typhoon Yagi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Yagi (pictured), leaves at least 40 people dead in China, Vietnam, and the Philippines (Post)
News source(s): ChinaNews VNExpress GMA News
Credits:

The storm made historic landfall, the death toll continued to rise, and the article is in good shape. HurricaneEdgar 00:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Its a current weather event, so it should be recent. Sources are reliable and the context is notable. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 16:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as Yagi is absolutely notable enough to be in ITN. Shouldn't this be closed now? OhHaiMark (talk) 17:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 7

September 7, 2024 (2024-09-07) (Saturday)

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2024 Algerian presidential election

Proposed image
Article: 2024 Algerian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Abdelmadjid Tebboune (pictured) is declared the winner of the 2024 Algerian presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Abdelmadjid Tebboune (pictured) is declared the winner of the 2024 Algerian presidential election which the opposition boycotted.
News source(s): ReutersAPAl Jazeera
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: A national election that deserves to be ITN per WP:ITN/R Scu ba (talk) 22:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was a very long discussion as to not try and accidentally convey that the Russian election was anything more than a sham from what I remember. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: I think "which the opposition boycotted" is sufficient for the reader to join the necessary dots, and is nicely factual and verifiable, whereas "the election was fraudulent" is much trickier. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree, fraud is a crime and labelling something fraudulent requires a legal process usually (as would e.g. murder or theft); given this is a de facto dictatorship we may never get any closure ever even if the regime falls as to how fraudulent or not this election is. At the same time I have long argued not to mislead by suggesting equivalency between fair and sham elections. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Diondre Overton

Article: Diondre Overton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former Clemson wide receiver. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the article seems fine to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:30, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Dan Morgenstern

Article: Dan Morgenstern (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 02:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 6

September 6, 2024 (2024-09-06) (Friday)

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(Posted) RD: Rebecca Horn

Article: Rebecca Horn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Monopol Magazine, Der Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

German visual artist. Grimes2 (talk) 10:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ron Yeats

Article: Ron Yeats (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Scottish footballer. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Cathy Merrick

Article: Cathy Merrick (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indigenous leader in Canada and Grand Chief of the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Paul Goldsmith

Article: Paul Goldsmith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-goldsmith-indianapolis-500-nascar-icon-dies-at-98/
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

RegalZ8790 (talk) 01:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: Brazilian investigation into Elon Musk

Non-admin closure per WP:SNOW. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Brazilian investigation into Elon Musk (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): Vide previous candidate
Credits:
ArionStar (talk) 23:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Sérgio Mendes

Article: Sérgio Mendes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, LA Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Brazilian musician. 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk) 16:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose orange tag, unsourced awards section and only 8 references for a bit long article. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) San Marino national football team

Consensus to post will not develop, again. Stephen 10:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: San Marino national football team (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ San Marino national football team, the lowest-ranked FIFA-affiliated national team, wins the first competitive victory in their 36-year history (Post)
News source(s): ESPN.com
Credits:
Holapaco77 (talk) 11:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While interesting, it's more suited for DYK than ITN, as per Pats2017 and Nfitz. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

September 5

September 5, 2024 (2024-09-05) (Thursday)

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RD: Herbie Flowers

Article: Herbie Flowers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, NME
Credits:

Article updated
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English bass guitarist and member of T. Rex. 240F:7A:6253:1:7989:33F2:8DF6:8310 (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: played bass on Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side" and on David Essex's "Rock On". By the end of the 1970s, Flowers had played bass on an estimated 500 hit recordings. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Solo discography section needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sources now added, some commercial. Perennial musician RD question: do all items need a separate source, even those which already have their own article? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my vote to Support now. And to answer your question, yes every single item/song needs a reference, not necessarily a unique one, a single source can be cited for multiple entries too. Even the entries with their own articles needs a reference because sometimes that article do not mention the connection with the subject and therefore, they need to be verified. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 18:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So will the AllMusic source suffice for all the Collaborations? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Radha Charan Gupta

Article: Radha Charan Gupta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News18
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One of the most prolific and celebrated Indian historians of mathematics. –jacobolus (t) 05:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Laurent Tirard

Article: Laurent Tirard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

Article updated
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French film director and screenwriter. 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk) 15:37, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good. Cognitivism (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose most of the info on the article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rich Homie Quan

Article: Rich Homie Quan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Source
Credits:

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Heatrave (talk) 19:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Michel Barnier appointed Prime Minister of France

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Article: Michel Barnier (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Michel Barnier (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of France by President Emmanuel Macron. (Post)
News source(s): "Live blog: Macron names Michel Barnier new prime minister". France24. 2024-09-05. Retrieved 2024-09-05.; "Michel Barnier named by Macron as new French PM". BBC News. 2024-09-05.
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UndercoverClassicist T·C 13:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, not ITN/R but still very relevant as the conclusion of two months of political uncertainty. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks good, politically relevant and a major event especially following the stalling of rejection of a leftist government. Scu ba (talk) 14:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything significant written about him between the 2022 election and now. Sourcing all of the awards unfortunately would be difficult (though I see some were removed, which is perfectly fine by me). Gödel2200 (talk) 18:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's unfortunate -- my hope is that good sources for them exist, but I can't find anything (even in the awarding nations' languages) other than Wikipedias or Wiki-mirrors. The German Wikipedia has a very suspicious citation to "Federal Government" (in plain text) for the German award. All removed for now -- we now have no CN tags and I think the article's referencing should be up to the standard we need. UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article is much better cited now, with only one uncited award left. It would be good to have more detail about this years French legislative election on his page (it only is mentioned in the lede right now). Gödel2200 (talk) 19:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops -- I missed that one -- another dubious case; removed. UndercoverClassicist T·C 20:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it's been over 2 months since the French parliamentary elections, and this is a notable change in head of government. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The prime minister is indeed the head of the executive branch in France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ITNR uses List of current heads of state and government to determine who administers the executive of each country and for France it is the President of France. This reply can also be my Oppose !vote I guess.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 04:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a reliable source, especially a page that does not cite any sources, such as the one you mention. As is well known, executive power is shared between the President and the Prime Minister according to the French Constitution. The Prime Minister heads the government, which "determines and conducts government policy". This is particularly evident in periods of cohabitation, such as the current period. Cf. [4]. The error on the page you mention has been fixed based on Article 21 of the French constitution. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 07:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The status of the current period as a cohabitation is still being discussed by reliable sources, as it is pretty much a unique situation between an entirely presidential regime and a "full" cohabitation. While the Prime Minister himself calls it "coexistence" rather than "cohabitation", political analysts describe it as "a new form of cohabitation", with the portmanteau "coalitation" being especially popular as the power shifts from the President to the National Assembly. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaving aside forumy discussions about whether a PM from a party holding fewer than 40 seats in the National Assembly represents a true transfer of power reflective of the results of the legislative election, the fact remains that the PM is (at the very least the nominative) co-leader of the executive branch and therefore his appointment is newsworthy. Article 21: Le Premier ministre dirige l'action du Gouvernement. Il est responsable de la défense nationale. Il assure l'exécution des lois. Sous réserve des dispositions de l'article 13, il exerce le pouvoir réglementaire et nomme aux emplois civils et militaires. The correction of the error mentioned above makes the appointment of a French PM automatic by virtue of Wikipedia:ITNELECTIONS.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 01:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The appointment of a head of government after months of chaos is notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It appears you have made 200 edits to mainspace. Feel free to get some experience by fixing whatever you see as problematic. As for whether the Prime Minister of a country whose government is run by the prime minister is a notable position, we'll have to agree to disagree. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not literate in French so it'd be hard for me to improve that article by finding sources without relying on Google Translate (which seems unreliable). But your point is taken, I should spend more time in mainspace. :) Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We only require the targeted article to be of sufficient quality - if we required all articles linked from the blurb to be of good quality, nothing would ever be posted. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Those opposing are doing so largely based on faulty arguments: firstly, executive power is "bicephalous" (two-headed) in France. While the power of the prime minister is largely nominal when the President and PM are from the same party, this is not the case during divided government. Secondly, whether the nomination process is democratic or not does not determine whether something is newsworthy. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 08:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And what exactly makes this appointment newsworthy/extraordinary compared to any other appointment? 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:ITNELECTIONS, good IP with 20 contribs.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 12:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still struggle to see any extraordinary reasons for this to be posted and as kcmastrpc pointed out, prime minister of France is still orange tagged.
Furthermore, please refrain from continuing attempting to poison the well, as the amount of contributions anyone have has little to do with the validity of their arguments and doesn't help your case. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 14:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The mention of your lack of experience is an attempt to explain your lack of understanding of the appropriate guideline that has been provided. Nothing extraordinary is required to post the appointment of a new head of government after 8 weeks of delay. That is not to say that this appointment is not extraordinary, given the extraordinary circumstances, but that is not relevant to a decision here. Moreover, after adding five standard references and a book review, I've removed the orange tag on prime minister of France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 16:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My IP is not static. Let's end our discussion on this page here since we're going dangerously off-topic.31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Why not just add a bit to the current blurb?
ALT 1: Michel Barnier (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of France by President Emmanuel Macron leading La France Insoumise to organize protests.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 02:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Might be wise to cut the "organised by", since my understanding is that other left-wing groups have had a role in organising some of the events -- could I suggest ALT2: "...by President Emmanuel Macron, leading to nationwide anti-government protests." UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine with me... -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 18:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Important country, important event. People will be turning to the Wikipedia article for information. Like the role of president and prime minister, which differs from every other country I can think of. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 15:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Independent of the actual power of the PM, it's worth noting the situation here. French politics have increasingly heated lately, new elections were called, and Macron's recently appointed PM resigned within a year. Meanwhile, he goes with a different sort of pick here, but not without some backlash by the public. Again, this is discounting the actual power of the French PM, which seems to be understated in this discussion. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose His predecessor's item was pulled from the ITN section, so I don't see why this should be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
His predecessor's item was posted. It was later pulled due to a lack of consensus over the blurb language (inclusion or not of his status as the first openly gay PM). The case was different too, of course, because it was not a situation of cohabitation (in which the President's primacy over the executive is lost to the PM). You supported posting Attal, but do not support posting Barnier. I'm confused as to why when the PM is exercising executive power you oppose, but when the PM was only administering the President's will you supported. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 15:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SashiRolls, when I posted the support vote at the item, it was my only 15th edit to ITN/C page and was still learning the entire process. Since that time I've made more than 600 edits and I would have opposed that nomination now. Now, why I supported that nomination was because of his sexuality (shouldn't have). My Opposition now has more to do to with the power of the PM. Also, considering the political atmosphere right now, we may see such nominee in the near future again. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per SashiRolls. FlipandFlopped ツ 22:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rebecca Cheptegei

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Article: Rebecca Cheptegei (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Standard, BBC, The Guardian, L'Équipe, Il Post
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Nominator's comments: An Ugandan runner who most recently represented her country at the 2024 Summer Olympics, and has now fell victim of a horrible crime. The article definitely needs some more work, but the sources I've included should help us. Oltrepier (talk) 08:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 4

September 4, 2024 (2024-09-04) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

RD: Hans-Ulrich Schmincke

Article: Hans-Ulrich Schmincke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German academic and volcanologist. Chaiten1 (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good to me. Hungry403 (talk) 03:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready Nowhere in the prose does it say that he's died. Schwede66 00:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed, thank you! Chaiten1 (talk) 10:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Noel Parmentel

Article: Noel Parmentel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Nominator's comments: NY Times obit published 4 September. Thriley (talk) 04:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Apalachee High School shooting

Consensus to post will not develop. Noah, BSBATalk 00:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Apalachee High School shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 4 are killed and 9 injured in a high school shooting in Georgia (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 4 left dead in the first american school shooting of the year
News source(s): "4 dead in georgia school shooting". 2024-09-04. Retrieved 2024-09-05.; "A 14-year-old student fatally shot 4 people in a rampage at a Georgia high school, officials say". AP News. 2024-09-05.
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RD: Luis Ayala

Article: Luis Ayala (tennis) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Good article but needs more references in amateur career section. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose outstanding number of cn tags and a performance timeline would look nice. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bora Đorđević

Article: Bora Đorđević (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Good length article but needs a lot more references. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose majority of this article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 3

September 3, 2024 (2024-09-03) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Wayne Graham

Article: Wayne Graham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
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Former coach for the Rice Owls. 240F:7A:6253:1:DDC5:B4B4:9ABF:9780 (talk) 22:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Vladimir Bure

Article: Vladimir Bure (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://sports.yahoo.com/devils-mourn-passing-vladimir-bure-180000786.html
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Four Olympic medals, two Stanley Cups. 21:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Charley Johnson

Article: Charley Johnson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

Article updated
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Former quarterback for the Denver Broncos. 240F:7A:6253:1:2D26:E48C:3EF9:D097 (talk) 19:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose orange tag in the Professional career section needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jacqueline Winsor

Article: Jacqueline Winsor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ARTnews
Credits:

Article updated
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Canadian-born American sculptor and contributor to the feminist movement. Article in good shape. Jmanlucas (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I don’t see any glaring issues with the article. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 06:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support good quality article. Chaiten1 (talk) 06:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait three cn tags are still there. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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