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==== Worm revived after 46,000 years ====
| article = Nematode <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = A [[nematode]] worm that was frozen 46,000 years ago has been revived <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = [https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/28/world/worm-resurrected-frozen-siberian-permafrost-intl-scli-scn CNN]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Count Iblis <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign = [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 15:03, 29 July 2023 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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====RD: Martin Walser ====
====RD: Martin Walser ====

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July 29

July 29, 2023 (2023-07-29) (Saturday)

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July 28

July 28, 2023 (2023-07-28) (Friday)

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Worm revived after 46,000 years

| article = Nematode | image = | blurb = A nematode worm that was frozen 46,000 years ago has been revived | recent deaths = no | ongoing = no | ITNR = no | altblurb = | altblurb2 = | sources = CNN | updated = yes | nominator = Count Iblis | creator = | updaters = | nom cmt = | sign = Count Iblis (talk) 15:03, 29 July 2023 (UTC) }}[reply]

RD: Martin Walser

Article: Martin Walser (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deutsche Welle
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Very prominent German writer. Article appears acceptable (if short) and is updated.  Sandstein 19:03, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Article needs major ref work. A lot of citation needed tags and two unsourced sections. Not to mention the lead could be expanded to reflect more about why he's notable/major works/possible controveries/etc. Also noticed some sentences are still using present tense, not past, so it hasn't been updated thoroughly post-death announcement. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:12, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I agree with TDKR Chicago 101, who already updated a lot (and many others including myself updated a bit) that this article is in a shameful state as I write this, and not ready to appear on the Main page. I'm willing to look further, but a nomination without a minimum of presentable content (it's long only because of detailed coverage of one a bit sensational event) is not what I would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 29 July 2023 (UTC) Sandstein, I have no idea what you mean by "is updated". Next time you think an article is updated, please name the updater's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:14, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps this edit helps? I'm adding you as an updater here, Gerda. --PFHLai (talk) 14:22, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 27

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Nero's theater

Article: Theatre of Nero (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Archeologists discover the Theatre of Nero in Rome. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Roman Emperor Nero's private theatre is discovered under the courtyard of a palazzo in Rome.
News source(s): Guardian, AP, ABC, the other ABC, CNN
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major historical and archaeological find. Discovery announced on 27 July. Brandmeistertalk 11:42, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Climate change

Article: Climate change (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres declares that Earth has entered an "age of global boiling" as scientists confirm that this year's heat wave have been some of the hottest in recorded history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ July 2023 is on track to become the world's hottest recorded month.
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jul/27/scientists-july-world-hottest-month-record-climate-temperatures
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Article needs updating

 Editor 5426387 (talk) 21:13, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose — Far too long of a blurb—an informal one, at that—that loses focus halfway through. Climate change is difficult to blurb because it doesn't have a beginning or an end, e.g. climate change naturally occurs, so this about human-induced climate change, which doesn't have an exact beginning or end date either. António Guterres is not a scientist, either. I would support an ongoing entry about the heat waves. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:20, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would support a revised variant of this sentiment, sans the "global boiling" neologism. The fact that this past month has been the hottest ever recorded seems plenty significant enough for its own blurb. (That's assuming it hasn't already been mentioned on ITN recently, of course. I've been taking a break from the internet for the past month or so, and I haven't kept up-to-date on recent blurbs. If it's been posted, I would oppose adding a duplicate.) Kurtis (talk) 21:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe it hasn’t been blurbed due to article quality issues. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:30, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in theory I'd support this since it's a significant trend update in our struggle to combat climate change. I'm just confused if climate change would be the target article or if there's another more appropriate target article? Also I agree that the blurb could use some shortening/change. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reminder/Moderately Support Alt This is not a "declaration", this is a figure of speech "snipped" from a press conference; the world is not boiling. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:59, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The UN statement is hyperbole - a stern caution and the like but still not a scientific fact. On the other hand the heat wave article has been proposed recently for Ongoing (which makes sense) but no one has worked on improving it to any degree to include it. I think that option is still on the table because the heat waves are continuing. --Masem (t) 22:13, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose El Nino is in effect this year so warmer global temps than usual. This is just fear mongering. Koltinn (talk) 22:38, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why this statement to highlight climate change and not the litany of other significant reports of broken records? This seems like an odd choice. This is the sort of thing where we need to remind ourselves that ITN is not a news ticker, and we don't act as a sounding board for politicians trying to speak to history. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 23:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm puzzled, User:WaltCip, what politicians have to do with this discussion. Nfitz (talk) 00:52, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @NfitzThe blurb currently reads in part: United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres declares that Earth has entered an "age of global boiling" Why is this particular remark so important that it justifies a mention in a blurb about climate change? Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:52, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose far too nebulous. Climate change has been and will continue to be ongoing for decades to come. Also actions not words, ultimately it's of little importance what the UN says, lots of politicians talk about climate change all the time but do very little to by way of countering it. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:39, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose global warming's fake, imo Daikido (talk) 14:25, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 26

July 26, 2023 (2023-07-26) (Wednesday)

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  • Moldova–Russia relations
    • Moldova orders the expulsion of 22 Russian diplomats by August 15. Several days earlier, a journalist investigation alleged that Russia installed satellite dishes and antennae on its embassy rooftop that could be used for spying. (AP) (RFE/RL)

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(Posted) RD: Patricia A. Goldman

Article: Patricia A. Goldman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post via Legacy
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former member of the National Transportation Safety Board. She was a relative of mine, and my conflict of interest disclosed on talk; accordingly this article was started and reviewed through AfC. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 14:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article is well-cited and is of sufficient length. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 16:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Randy Meisner

Article: Randy Meisner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, Rolling Stone, Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Just announced, but while the article may need help, he was a member of the Eagles, member of Poco, and with the Eagles, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Was mainly known for the Eagles hit "Take It to The Limit". TheCorriynial (talk) 00:04, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Simpson Kalisher

Article: Simpson Kalisher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American photographer, death announced recently. Bremps... 18:49, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Almost Ready pretty well-cited for the most part, but there are one or two uncited statements ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 20:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sourcing improvements needed, has 1 cn tag, publications section fully uncited, and exhibitions section has two uncited exhibitions, some other parts of the article may also need citations as well. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MonarchOfTerror: I added a citation where the cn tag was and to the two uncited exhibitions. Working on adding additional sourcing elsewhere. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:16, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Nigerien coup d'état

Article: 2023 Nigerien coup d'état (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A coup d'état is attempted in Niger as presidential guard soldiers hold President Mohamed Bazoum inside the presidential palace. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The soldiers of the presidential guard depose President Mohamed Bazoum in a coup d'état in Niger.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Niger, the presidential guard successfully mounts a coup d'état, deposing Mohamed Bazoum.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, The Examiner, The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Breaking news, nominating to draw attention. Unknown if successful, also Niger is difficult to find credible sources for. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality for now. This could shape up to be major. Bremps... 18:51, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Abcmaxx: That seems like a good idea to me. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
perfectly reasonable _-_Alsor (talk) 21:50, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would they not already qualify under Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government? DecafPotato (talk) 06:27, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
you could have a self-coup Abcmaxx (talk) 11:27, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed; Posted RD): Sinéad O'Connor

No consensus for posting a blurb. SpencerT•C 06:58, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Sinéad O'Connor (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Irish singer Sinéad O'Connor dies at the age of 56. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Shuhada' Sadaqat, better known as Irish singer Sinéad O'Connor, dies in her London home
News source(s): Irish Times
Credits:
 2A00:23EE:1940:363C:C55E:B14F:110C:45C5 (talk) 17:47, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

* Oppose blurb Recent Deaths was created for situations like this - a well-known entertainer who wasn't the top of her field. We should not be blurbing every single singer/actor/TV person/sportsball player just because they are well-known. Chrisclear (talk) 18:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD once quality is improved, oppose blurb We should only very rarely post a blurb for someone's death. RD is made to post most notable deaths. Gust Justice (talk) 18:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Only one album & one single of hers were major hits internationally. Most of the media coverage she has received since then relates to the controversy she generated & her chaotic personal life. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 19:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
She's had 10 albums chart internationally. Her singles haven't charted well internationally after 2000 or so - but neither do singles from massive artists from the 1980s these days. But even in 2000 she had (different) singles chart in at least 5 countries (of the 10 tracked), on two continents - and her album that year went gold in Australia. Though this isn't just about her music. I do think the "one hit" thing has been massively overplayed here. Nfitz (talk) 05:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Folks, please: If you don't personally support a death blurb, don't be the first to raise the subject. You are just distracting from the work at hand. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:16, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you saying don't be the first one to oppose a blurb? Or don't mark a nom for a blurb unless you are also supporting it? —Bagumba (talk) 01:11, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Personally, I would support a blurb. At the time I added a blurb, the article was not in a fit state to post. As I said in the edit summary, she is "possibly blurbworthy", so I opened up the subject of a blurb for discussion. Consensus would seem to be against a blurb though. Mjroots (talk) 06:35, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm saying that as a best practice, IMO one shouldn't raise the possibility of a blurb if s/he is not personally advocating for it. Blurb discussions are contentious and distracting; and for some reason everyone feels the need to pile on, creating the clusterf*** you see now: tons of "Support RD" with no review of the quality. Anyone who is truly blurbworthy will gain support. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You expressed the same sentiment w.r.t Pat Robertson a couple months ago, and I didn't fully articulate my disagreement at the time—but to be very clear, I completely disagree. Wikipedia is a community project, and we make decisions through consensus. Suhmitting a proposal, even if you aren't in favor of it from the outset, is neither disruptive nor a distraction. Discussion is how we get things done. Kurtis (talk) 21:13, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, currently I see no obvious huge flaws with the article. (the awards section needs more sources, but that's IMHO not enough to omit her article from RD) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 02:00, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not ready It currently has 13 [citation needed] tags. I reserve judgement whether she was notable enough to justify a blurb. Schwede66 03:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Blurb - massively significant singer, who was at the top of her game when she was blacklisted in the early 1990s, because of her opposition to pedophilia in the Roman Catholic Church. If she was just another 1990s singer, perhaps not. But the blacklisting of her changes the game - especially given her vile treatment in the USA, where many prominent figures enabled pedophilia by the Church and protected Pope J-P-II; ironically the Church has since admitted that children were being sexually abused and the Pope was aware. I don't know how a second-stringer like Tony Bennet gets blurbed (mostly it seems, for outliving everyone else), and a much more significant figure like O'Connor doesn't. Nfitz (talk) 05:09, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Blurb - O'Connor has more international recognition than is credited in the above comments (she is quite well known in Europe, and also has reach in Latin America). Some above comments above oppose RD/Blurb based on younger audiences not being familiar, but I would argue that if Tony Bennett counts as relevant, than O'Connor would have an even higher priority for Blurb.Tazanzabub (talk) 08:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    We do not consider the amount of or lack of recognition as a factor for RD blurbs. Masem (t) 13:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    But you didn't make this comment to those opposing RD saying she wasn't influential enough. Arianddu (talk) 23:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Influence and popularity are different things. There's a difference between being influential (Haruki Murakami) and being popular (Logan Paul). AryKun (talk) 13:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Leo Varadkar publicly announced his condolences, how often does that happen? World figure for sure, meets blurb threshold. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Fairly often, actually. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    These eight also weren't nominated. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    People being murdered and death of parliamentary colleagues known personally or professionally are very different scenarios though, you cannot compare those to this. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    "Voice of a generation", then, unblurbed. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    And yes, I'm aware that Dolores O'Riordan wasn't even nominated for a blurb. It was a different time. The rage against bureaucracy/quality and shoutout to a pope as it regarded the personal life of an Irish singer who went to London to die alone are "all too familiar". InedibleHulk (talk) 13:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose blurb We've had a couple of questionable blurbs lately, but this is honestly the most ridiculous nomination I've ever seen; we might as well nominate Yung Gravy whenever he dies if this manages to be blurbed. She is a controversial singer who made a couple of popular albums in the 90's, she is nowhere close to the level of influence you would expect for a blurb. AryKun (talk) 10:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yung Gravy? I believe their pronoun is "he", User:AryKun. Two popular albums in the 90's would be extremely significant - given they were only 3-years old in 2000! Perhaps you are thinking of someone else! Most ridiculous? We literally have Tony Bennett up there right now! Nfitz (talk) 17:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It's clear that "She" refers to O'Connor, not Yung Gravy (you can see that AryKun understands that Yung Gravy's pronouns are "he" from the words "...whenever he dies".) 2600:1700:38D0:2870:1CFA:420:83E8:2E18 (talk) 11:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    As IP has said already, "she" refers to O'Connor, not Gravy. Your ability to completely miss the point and construct what might be the dumbest strawman I've ever seen is almost impressive. AryKun (talk) 13:13, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I misread he for she; and I was genuinely confused (despite reading it three times), and asked for clarification. And yes, reading now, I wrote it twice ... as you can see from the history, I was caught in an edit conflict; I'll delete the duplication and strike the comment. But that doesn't, User:AryKun justify your AGF failure, and personal attack. Especially after the query was already answered. Your claim that this was the "most ridiculous nomination" is also bizarre, given it's got more attention at Wikipedia than any other death this year (AFAIK); and more attention of any death since Elizabeth II. Also, isn't Yung Gravy (whoever he is) a big strawman argument, given that they've only one single that's charted outside one country (and not well either); and has no sign of social activism at all? Please apologize for you incivility, and stop violating the most fundamental Wikipedia policies we have. Nfitz (talk) 20:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Implying that I thought a three year old Gravy had songs charting on Billboard is nothing if not a strawman, so I don't see how that's a PA. Saying we should nominate Yung Gravy is sarcasm, since he's basically a shitposter, not an actual argument. AryKun (talk) 06:49, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD Article seems good enough to me. Most uncited claims are not important, and could probably be sourced trivially if someone cared. The real controversial one is her calling Pope Francis "anti-christian" which seems to come from a televised interview on Channel 4. I'm not 100% on how to cite this the best way. Various small online sources have covered it, for example Irish Central which I'm not familiar with and doesn't have a wiki article, but has been used as a citation in other articles. The actual interview is also posted on Channel 4's YouTube channel, but I don't have enough experience to know whether we can just cite that. When this is fixed I'm of the opinion that the article is good to go despite the few remaining uncited claims about the musical style of some albums and such. I oppose a blurb because while I'm sure many people respect and care about her, frankly she was not in the top of her field, whether we're considering her music (the top would be someone like Michael Jackson) or activism (someone like Gandhi). We blurb way too many deaths and this is why RD exists in the first place. No disrespect to her obviously, as should go without saying. Occidolophus (talk) 10:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, oppose RD She doesn’t seem transformative enough, neither in music nor in activism and the article itself doesn’t convince me as it doesn’t demonstrate how she has the sui generis significance needed for a blurb. RD-wise article needs work, mainly sourcing as it has an orange tag and many cn tags. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:28, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
who are you lil bro 😭😭 2601:58A:8E82:1FF0:4D13:A0E:2B7E:1260 (talk) 17:20, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose on quality; a few sourcing issues need to be cleaned up. Once that is done, would support RD only. Since there would be nothing to say in a blurb than she died, with no other important information to report, RD is the only appropriate thing to do here. --Jayron32 12:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD The heavy editing going on right now seems likely to have the article ready by the time a decision is made here.Theodore Kloba (☎) 13:47, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Ridiculous that the RD has not been posted, at this stage, tbh! An artist with multiple gold albums, multiple awards, the only female artist ever to refuse a Grammy, the notoriety of the SNL photo-tearing, her outspoken views on the church and religion, etc., etc., not to mention condolences from the Irish president and Taoiseach as well as numerous music stars. Currently her death is covered in the top three stories being run by RTÉ, the Irish state broadcaster, on rte.ie/news, and there are a further seven stories in a special section further on down its news page! BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:23, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The reason why she hasn't been posted is not because she's not notable (notability is not a requirement to pass RD/blurb) but it's because her article needs some improving. The 1990s subsection of her musical career section has some citation needed tags and then there's an orange tag/refimprove tag in the awards section. I'm sure once these issues have been addressed, this nom will be posted as an RD. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:ITNQUALITY. You could be the most famous person in the world, but you are not getting posted to ITN unless your article meets the bare minimum standard of quality for posting. That's really all there is to it. This is not a news ticker. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:02, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Header Marked "Discuss RD only" This discussion is not going to gain consensus for a blurb. The continuation of the blurb discussion is distracting from a discussion on whether the article is of sufficient quality that it can be posted as an RD. In an effort to refocus the discussion on this, I'm attempting to take the blurb discussion off the table. Please only focus on that. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:35, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    More: While I don't agree with the current WP:ITNQUALITY requirements, they are what they are. The awards section has a lot of entries with no source. The ITN guideline clearly states "Lists of awards and honors, bibliographies and filmographies and the like should have clear sources. Sources themselves should be checked for reliability. Generally, "orange" and "red" level clean-up tags are signs that article quality is not acceptable for the main page as well.". Speaking for myself, I'm not going to get into an argument with ITN hawks that I posted something that pretty clearly didn't meet the ITN guidelines. Time would probably be better spent adding these sources than arguing here that we shouldn't be that strict. If another admin comes along and says it's good enough as is, I'm not going to argue. But they should be ready for others to. Floquenbeam (talk) 20:23, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you review that thought, given all the subsequent support blurb votes, some of the false statements above, and that her death has more eyes on it than many would have thought. Nfitz (talk) 00:59, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Reading all the slightly unclear comments in the most favorable light possible for a blurb, there’s still only a 33% support for a blurb. I’m not going to discount the first 15 comments just because they came early in the discussion. Floquenbeam (talk) 01:52, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Since when, User:Floquenbeam was it a vote? If the later comments are at odds with the earlier comments, then it could well indicate that there's been a greater understanding of her significance, especially outside of North America. Nfitz (talk) 05:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Or it could be that exactly 4 new people decided to vote in the discussion, of whom 3 (three) voted to blurb, which apparently should count as consensus now and overturn 26 votes overwhelmingly against blurbing that were posted earlier. AryKun (talk) 13:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It makes sense to value later commenters more when discussing readiness; the article is constantly improving. It doesn't make as much sense to value later commenters more regarding appropriateness of a blurb, because the circumstances are unlikely to change much. It devalues the people originally commenting too much. Now if some of the original commenters come back and say they've been swayed by the argument, then sure that's evidence of a change. But in the absence of that, I don't see why we discount early commenters opinions on a blurb. Floquenbeam (talk) 15:30, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks like more than 4 to me; nor do I see 26 against blurbing. And I am seeing at least one struck vote. And some of those opposed make clearly false or irrelevent (only one hit?!? Never heard of her - despite getting the most Wikipedia hits of any death since Elizabeth II?!?) Once again, it's not a vote; Nfitz (talk) 20:52, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • ready - imo, i see the orange tag down below but still think this is plenty better than things that routinely get posted to RD. nableezy - 17:32, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's an obvious RD. Article is good enough now, other than the header, despite some tags, (it's got 213 references already!). We've posted RDs on much, much less. Still I think that it's blurbable; notability isn't based on the number of top hits. I'd be interested to see the number of times her page has been accessed in the 24-hours since her death, compared to Tony Bennett. I certainly am seeing a lot more media coverage in Canada about her death, and she was as never as popular here as in Europe. I'd expect massive coverage in Ireland, given how many top-5 hits she had there over, during 4 different decades. If hits really count, Bennett only had top 20 hits in the USA in the 1950s and 1960s. There are huge false claims here about O'Connor. Nfitz (talk) 17:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree blurbable but thats been apparently shot down. nableezy - 22:26, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Not necessarily shot down. I'm no longer seeing consensus on non blurbing. Nfitz (talk) 00:59, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb or RD. This is an egregious omission. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 19:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb or RD. Article about Sinéad has 62 interwiki and not mentioning her in the list is just a shame. --Movses (talk) 21:48, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A blurb requires being transformative. In what way(s) did she fulfil that? Jim 2 Michael (talk) 22:04, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Says who? nableezy - 22:26, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is technically no requirement for a blurb. All that is needed is a consensus. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 23:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • There isn't a standard or uniform system for determining this as, per ITNRDBLURB, it's explicitly sui generis. The size of the readership is therefore quite valid and, as it's a plain, objective and substantial fact, it seems superior to personal opinions. In this case, it's clear that millions of readers are viewing this and Wikipedia exists for its readership, rather than as an abstract ivory tower. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If we based notability & blurbworthiness on pageviews when they die, we'd have to say that Bob Saget & Anne Heche have extremely high notability. We'd conclude that they were each of far higher notability than Pelé; that Saget & Heche should've been blurbed & Pelé not. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 23:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
On what do you base that? Jim 2 Michael (talk) 23:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Look further down: owner of a US ice hockey team - no commentary about whether worthy, transformative, recently active or important enough to nominate. Male Canadian politician, notable mainly for being old, ditto. Football player from the 1940s in a code only notable in the US, ditto (and RD posted). British football player, ditto. Another British footballer, 1 comment about notability, replied with not required for RD, all subsequent commentary strictly about quality of article. British male news reader, ditto as per first example. But commentary for O'Connor is repeatedly questioning whether she is worthy of inclusion for an RD. Arianddu (talk) 00:11, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No one is questioning her inclusion on RD on merits. Simply that her articles doesn't meet the expected quality in sourcing we expect for any featured links on the Main Page. That's a genderless determination. Masem (t) 00:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No one is questioning her inclusion on RD on merits? Have you read the commentary? Arianddu (talk) 00:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you’re confusing the discussion between an RD and blurb. People are opposing a blurb on significance, not an RD; that’s being held up by citation issues. The Kip (talk) 01:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fuckwit. Floquenbeam (talk) 23:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
such eloquence. Arianddu (talk) 00:13, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps not at the level of Lord Tennyson, but it does have brevity going for it. In any case, after seeing a massive discussion about whether we should BLURB her, it does take some incredible selective viewing of the votes to conclude that we're being misogynistic. AryKun (talk) 13:17, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We didn't blurb either of those two, because not a single person even suggested we blurb them. Heche's death was extremely dramatic, as then she lingered on her death-bed for a week on life-support afterwards - already declared brain-dead for 3 of them. The death followed perhaps the most bizarre series of one-vehicle accidents I've ever heard of. Had she simply died of natural causes, it would have been a blip. If she'd been immediately killed when she drove into the second building, I doubt it would been anywhere near as high. It's not comparable. Saget's death numbers really surprise me. I'm at a loss to understand that - did I forget something tabloidy about his death? Is there a way to break down these numbers by nation or something? Nfitz (talk) 01:28, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also, User:Jim 2 Michael, you are looking at stats that only go up to the day O'Connor died. Now that today's (Wednesday's) stats are in, you can see that O'Connor has had virtually the same number of views for a second day, while Saget's only peaked for a single day. I'm still perplexed why Saget would be so high. Was he worshipped as a god in a European country or something? Maybe something linked here? Nfitz (talk) 05:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Masem: I've added some sources, now that remains are some pesky awards from the award section (Rober Awards Music Poll, Meteor Music Awards, Billboard Music Video Award, Goldene Europa, MTV Music Video Award and Danish Music Award). After searching for a source for the remaining unsourced awards, I'm unable to find any. Not sure what the move is now? Hopefully other users can help find these sources. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Those aren't non-notable awards, so you can't just wipe them out of the table. They should be documented, but the age suggests print sources may be necessary. You can easily get newspapers.com via the Wikimedia Library Card, but that might only get MTV and Billboard, given that the others are more European in nature. Masem (t) 00:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Technically, if it’s unsourced info in a blp and questioned, it should be removed until sourced. Right? Floquenbeam (talk) 01:59, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Technically yes, and for those smaller awards I would agree removal may be appropriate, but a Billboard and MTV one are not minor and this should be easily sourced but might require more work than just a google search. Masem (t) 03:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
break (continued O'Connor blurb discussion)
  • Posted RD Whilst nowhere near free of citation needed tags, I suggest it's good enough for a recent death post. If you wish, continue to debate whether a blurb should be considered instead. Personally, I would support that on notability grounds when you consider both her performance as a musician together with her outspokenness. Schwede66 02:25, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Honestly, I was disappointed that Barbara Walters and Vivienne Westwood not getting blurbs since they were on top of their fields, especially Barbara who is a pioneer, even if she isn't that well known outside America. Sinead's case is unique: Looking at Google Trends, she has been more well-known in recent years, especially in 2010s forward, because of her outspoken activism as LGBTQ+ ally, and as a LGBTQ+ myself, I see this as a great loss for our community. The bigger issue is, Sinead has low name recognition outside Western countries (especially if you are outside of LGBTQ circles), and this is the very first time I have heard of her name as an Indonesian. It's sad to see that her career fell off this way after SNL incident in 1992 - if that didn't happen she would have had more name recognition here after 1990s. She could have been in top of her field as well if she was given more chances, and I would have heard some of her songs as well as a kid. Misogynism kills careers I guess. I'm sorry. MarioJump83 (talk) 02:54, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    What, User:MarioJump83 do you mean by "Indonesian"? Typo? I don't think misogyny was the prime issue; she was massively attacked and blackballed, especially in the west, after she had the temerity to suggest that priests were molesting kids; and the Vatican already knew about it; But we are heading into Talk Page territory here. I could see an argument for blurbing Barbara Walters given her so many firsts on TV in the 1960s, and anchoring a major news broadcast like ABC Evening News in the mid-1970s; I'm hard-pressed to think of any women in other countries who achieved that nearly a half-century ago (though I'm sure I've forgotten some). I'm barely aware of Westwood though, I'd be quite neutral on blurbing her. Nfitz (talk) 04:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    What, User:MarioJump83 do you mean by "Indonesian"? Well, I come from Indonesia and most Indonesians do not know who she is. No, it's not a typo. Once again that's my opinion, but we should think about WP:NOTFORUM here. MarioJump83 (talk) 05:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah! I understand now. I thought you meant she was an Indonesian! Yeah, I doubt she was well known outside of Europe for almost all of her career. Even in North America, she virtually vanished from the airwaves after being virtually blacklisted. (edit - I guess I didn't know about her significance in Arab states - see Nableezy below) Nfitz (talk) 05:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    She is exceedingly well known in the Arab states. See for example this extended obituary in al-Jazeera. nableezy - 05:04, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Didn't know this since Google Trends doesn't show anything in there. That's good to hear. MarioJump83 (talk) 05:12, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I have thoughts about opposing this, but our bar have lowered drastically in recent months, especially once it comes to international notability. It goes without saying that I support blurbing this. Once again I wish Barbara and Vivienne got their blurbs. MarioJump83 (talk) 10:37, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - top-5 all-time internationally-significant Irish singer/musicians. Front page of the NYT, London Times, and Le Monde, among other countries' papers of record. And currently half the blurbs on ITN are about last week's sports results. ITN would do well to post more blurbs and be updated more frequently. Deaths like hers (receiving front page international coverage) are significant enough to blurb, even if some Wikipedia editors have never heard of her or don't think she was very important. Levivich (talk) 03:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    We purposely do not consider what is "front page news" because that differs depending on where you are at or when you look at the source. Masem (t) 03:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Please stop saying we when what you mean is I. nableezy - 04:33, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem: You can see the world's paper front pages at websites like frontpages.com/world-newspapers/. (Just scroll through and look how many world papers have Sinead on their front page.) I'm not talking about website front pages (which, you're right, are personalized), I mean paper. The paper front pages of newspapers is a good indication of what those papers' editorial boards think is the most important news each day. In the aggregate, looking at the paper front pages of world newspapers of record is a good indication of what the world thinks is important each day. Levivich (talk) 05:02, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    For what it's worth, Levivich, I haven't seen the ITN blurbs turn over so quickly over the last few days for a very long time. Schwede66 03:51, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Though why do we have only 4 blurbs right now? Isn't it 5 normally - and I've seen 6 at times. Nfitz (talk) 04:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:ITNBALANCE: the combined length of ITN/OTD should generally be the same size as TFA/DYK on the Main Page; as ITN is the most malleable, that usually means removing or re-adding blurbs. I believe there was one time last year where we had 7(!) blurbs up at once, while a few months ago we only had 3; balance giveth and balance taketh. Curbon7 (talk) 05:28, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, I didn't know that. Hmm ... the one OTD seems very long "In New York City, the NAACP and church and community leaders organized a silent march (newsreel footage featured) of at least 8,000 people to protest violence directed towards African Americans.". Could someone with rights at least fix the grammar mistake (NAACP and church and community leaders). I'd think that "A silent march was organized in New York City" would have been better though ... Nfitz (talk) 05:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Sinead O'Connor's death made it to the front page of major papers in England, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark Australia, Brazil, Argentina, United Arab Emirates, China, Canada, and the USA. Levivich (talk) 05:33, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can someone make a new proposed blurb somewhere, as we are obviously still debating that aspect (I still massively support a blurb). Nfitz (talk) 05:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Previously I would have said no to this, but it's clear the bar has moved significantly in recent months and we now blurb many more people that we used to. By that standard, and given her relatively going age, O'connor seems to qualify. Keep it as the simple one though, no need to include her other name or where she died.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:50, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Fairly high quality and overally well-referenced article of candidate who is a highly notable Irish singer/musician, per above. Happily888 (talk) 09:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original blurb as per my previous comments. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:32, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb as I've changed my mind in comparison to my original comment. I've also tried to improve the "Awards" section by adding several sources I've retrieved, although some bits of information were atrociously hard to find: for example, none of the three Danish media portals I went to seem to provide any type of information on her double victory in their domestic DMAs, which is quite confusing to me... Oltrepier (talk) 10:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt or Nothing Per the front page news and her well-documented beef with her common/slave/cursed name. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:16, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Per all their above Ceoil (talk) 11:59, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - I now align with Amakuru. The consensus is changing on the subject of blurbable deaths, though of course it is going to require us to take another long look at what we consider "transformative", or perhaps more likely, just rewriting the WP:ITNRDBLURB criteria entirely. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:37, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Recent Deaths was created for situations like this - a well-known entertainer who wasn't the top of her field. We should not be blurbing every single singer/actor/TV person/sportsball player just because they are well-known. Chrisclear (talk) 12:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Levivich's front page demonstration above is all the evidence I think is necessary to demonstrate that this person dying was front page news and as such imo it should be in our "in the news" section on our front page. nableezy - 13:12, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb Not at a level of significance that would justify a blurb. On a side not, I do not know who arbitrarily broke up the discussion, but that was inappropriate. It is not how we do it at ITN and the discussion is now quite confusing with overlapping votes all over the place. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • I share part of the blame for that; it seemed clear at the time I tried to refocus away from a blurb that a blurb wasn't happening, and it was derailing discussion on whether it was RD-worthy. But then someone restarted a blurb discussion as a separate discussion, and (worse) people have now commented in both sections. It would have been better, if someone was sure I'd made an error in judgement, to have undone my marking it RD discussion only. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:27, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      No worries. You were clearly acting in good faith. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:42, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. First, Ad Orientam is correct that this way of splitting of the discussion about a blurb is highly inappropriate and smacks of an attempt to game the system. There were plenty of users who commented on the blurb option before this artificial split-off and their opinions carry no less weight. On the substance: ITN for death blurbs should not be about how sensationalized the recent coverage of a person has been but based on their lasting impact and significance. In the case of O'Connor, for quite a few years (even decades) most of her coverage had to do with various personal controversies rather than artistic impact. Nsk92 (talk) 14:32, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    As a protest singer rather than a pop star, I think her various personal controversies are the weightier part. The one about fighting the real enemies in the Church definitely had more lasting impact than, say, inventing a new synth pad or starting a new dance fad. Mental health, transgenerational trauma and suicide awareness are also since pretty popular, in part thanks to her. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:42, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe in Ireland, but most of the world has no idea who she was and their views on mental health were unaffected by her. AryKun (talk) 15:32, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I speak for Northern Ontario. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The worldwide newspaper front pages prove you wrong. Demonstrably, the whole world thinks her death is front page news, which means they know who she was. Levivich (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    As WP is not a newspaper, and ITN not a news ticker, we don't care where stories are posted, or how many front pages a story gets. We care about the encyclopedic quality of the article and the demonstration (described in the article backed by those sources as a means of objective evidence) of why that person was important. There's a lot of outpouring of sympathy for O'Connor's death and the overall problems with her life, but that's all that I'm seeing in these front page obits. Masem (t) 16:13, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    But that's not all we're seeing. We have clearly identified significance/importance/whatever, in the article and without. "We" meaning "the other side", of course. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no demonstrated sourced discussion of her significance in the article. None. The arguments on this line are akin to original research to claim she was significant or important. So the only argument that has objective demonstration is "her death was on the front page of many international newspapers", which is not a reasonable argument to use for what are supposed to be exception RD blurb posting. Masem (t) 01:48, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Masem, the question was whether most of the world has no idea who she was. We need to try not to confuse the issue as I think you and AryKun are arguing two separate points; they are arguing that nobody knows who Sinead O'Connor is, while you're arguing that it's irrelevant whether there is any news coverage or recognition of her. It's difficult to have any sort of productive conversation about whether consensus should exist for a blurb when the goalposts keep shifting. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:23, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia is not a newspaper, but newspapers are Wikipedia's WP:RS. We summarize RSes, and we look to RSes to determine what we write; we look to RSes to decide if we should have an article about something (WP:N), and to decide what to include in articles (WP:DUE). We also look to RSes to determine if an individual was significant enough to merit an ITN blurb when they die. Levivich (talk) 16:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb RD seems enough to me. Interesting character/life but to me she doesn't seem significant enough for the Blurb. Nigej (talk) 16:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support Blurb. Typically speaking I wuld not be a "support", especially when it comes to someone who is not a true titan in the musical game, but the untimely death and strong coverage really sends this one here. Maybe that's just my Irish bias talking, but I do feel O'Connor clears whatever line I have set for death blurbs. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:42, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb I wish we would post less death blurbs. RD is sufficient. YD407OTZ (talk) 17:26, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb We didn't blurb Eddie Van Halen. She was not bigger than Van Halen. Tradediatalk 19:02, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    "We screwed up before" doesn't mean we continue to screw up forever. Also, consensus can change, as it indeed has certainly done at ITN just in the past few months. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd have blurbed Eddie Van Halen, User:Tradedia. But also, not bigger than Eddie Van Halen? There's at least double the pageviews of her death compared to Eddie Van Halen; and higher than anyone else we've blurbed so far this year. Eddie was a huge star, but has not got the social activism that O'Connor has; which is what puts her over the top. If it was just for her music, I'd agree. Nfitz (talk) 21:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. International figure and a household name. That we made an error when we didn't blurb Eddie Van Halen is not reason to make an error here. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 20:07, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. In a vacuum I may have opposed this; I don't necessarily see her as transformative in the field of music. But based on my understanding of the impact recently blurbed individuals have had, I think she makes the cut as both a musician and someone who made the news for her actions on TV. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:32, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support blurb While I agree that this is a solid RD case only, in the days after her death, I have been amazed to see the global coverage and the somewhat impact she left in the music world, perhaps not through her songs but through her actions/opinions. She did make global headlines during her career and in death. While I agree that she's nowhere near Bennet/Turner level of musical impact (these two definitely deserved blurbs), I also believe her dying young/somewhat unexplained circumstances (though not mysterious or malicious) I feel that too would warrant a blurb especially for someone as controversial and with an extensive career as O'Connor. I would feel though someone should create a legacy section (if possible at all) to further discuss the impact she made (if any). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possibly support blurb, I'm unsure what the typical standard for a blurb is (and going by this discussion, there isn't really one), but based on the news coverage and article view statistics I'd say a blurb would be in order. In the end, Wikipedia is made for humans and if humans care about someone, that's the most important thing IMHO. My main concern is actually that by the time a consensus may be reached, her death may no longer be "news", so my support kind of hinges on how long it'll take to develop consensus. I'd only support the original blurb though, not the alternative. Referring to her as "Shuhada' Sadaqat" is confusing, I wouldn't refer to Tina Turner as "Anna Mae Bullock" in a blurb either. Follow WP:COMMONNAME. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Anna Mae Bullock chose "Tina Turner" for a stage name and Shuhada' Sadaqat chose to renounce "Sinéad O'Connor" for everything but a stage name. Almost like a deadname or slave name. Death isn't very professional, in any case, and most mainstream news doesn't seem to care about her preference in this one. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:25, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb per Chrisclear. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 21:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral about a blurb now I don’t think she was notable enough as a musician to merit a blurb under normal circumstances, but her death is being covered widely. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Subject appears to be known less for being top of her field/transformative figure, and more about causing controversy in the 90s that, once ended, tanked her career and thus general relevancy. RD yes, blurb no. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Why choose to ignore her continued international prominence for social issues through this century. And why say that her career tanked in the 1990s, when her most recent number one album was in 2014? With three other top-10 albums since the 1990s. It's not like she's been out of the spotlight since she spoked out about pedophilia in the Roman Catholic church over 30 years ago - at least in most of the world. I'm really puzzled, User:Fakescientist8000 why there the truth is being stretched so much in this discussion. Why do you discount her prominence since she accurately outed the Pope, virtually blacklisting her in North America? Nfitz (talk) 00:26, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Matter of perspective. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:12, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. To the best of my knowledge (and I'll admit I don't participate at ITN and may be wrong; WP:ITNBLURB does not cover the "typical picks" in detail here), blurbs are selected based on the "size" of the news story, not the "importance" of the subject(s) of the story. These are of course both subjective things. On both 26 July and 27 July (stats for 28 July are not online as I write this), Sinéad O'Connor received around 3.25M pageviews ([2]). By contrast, all five articles boldlinked at ITN right now are in the tens-of-thousands of pageviews ([3]). Other recent deaths are in the thousands by daily pageviews ([4]). I could construct an argument about why O'Connor is notable beyond one chart toping single and one SNL episode, but with page view counts that astronomically outside the ordinary, I feel like I don't need to. The story seems big enough to justify a blurb. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 03:17, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - I don't see what about her makes her transformative enough to blurb. She was not at the top of her field. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 05:23, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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July 25

July 25, 2023 (2023-07-25) (Tuesday)

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RD: Bo Goldman

Article: Bo Goldman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, NY Times
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Award winning screenwriter and playwright, probably best known for One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (film). Larmen42 (talk) 22:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Silvana Lattmann

Article: Silvana Lattmann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): L'Osservatore
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Swiss biologist, known as a poet and author (in Italian), died on 19 July at age 104, but reported only yesterday, obit above is from today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rocky Wirtz

Article: Rocky Wirtz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Sun-Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Principal owner of the Chicago Blackhawks. A few things will need citations, but otherwise the article should be in good shape. rawmustard (talk) 01:07, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Needs sourcing work, 1 cn tag, a few uncited paragraphs in the “Ownership of the Blackhawks” section, and 2 uncited statements in the “awards and honors”. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:30, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Monte Kwinter

Article: Monte Kwinter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TorStar
Credits:

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 Rushtheeditor (talk) 19:36, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Orange tagged and many paragraphs don’t have citations. Sourcing needs improvement. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:31, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Johnny Lujack

Article: Johnny Lujack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:36, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support pretty-well cited and an appropriate length for ITN ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 21:35, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Chris Bart-Williams

Article: Chris Bart-Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Sierra-Leonese-born English footballer. Article good length and content, but needs a few more citations. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:57, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Referencing work needed before posting, article is orange tagged and has many cn tags. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:33, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Afghanistan floods

Article: 2023 Afghanistan floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods in Afghanistan kill at least 31 people, injure 74 and 41 people are missing. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Flooding in Afghanistan leaves at least 31 people dead and at least 41 missing.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, CNN, VOA, DW, RFE/RL
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Needs expansion Ainty Painty (talk) 05:33, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose on quality, lean oppose on notability Article is way too stubby right now, needs significant expansion. Leaning oppose on notability as it doesn’t seem too unusual as the country is highly prone to natural disasters, even more so with climate change happening recently. High casualty incidents aren’t super rare due to various factors such as poor socio-economic conditions as well as years of conflict and little stability making the government poor at disaster management etc. Very tragic but doesn’t seem significant enough. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:40, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait As Nfitz points out, the trend in this wacky new decade seems to see Afghan flood seasons end in August. For death counting, at least. I'd wager there are geological ramifications for hills and valleys come winter, too, some possibly interesting and just in need of development. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:33, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd say close then, with no prejudice on resubmitting if conditions worsen significantly. Nfitz (talk) 00:56, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 24

July 24, 2023 (2023-07-24) (Monday)

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Science and technology

RD: Cecilia Pantoja

Article: Cecilia Pantoja (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BioBioChile
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: One of the greatest chilean female singers of all-time and one of the founders of the "nueva ola" movement in Chile and Latin America Wikipexi2552 (talk) 02:34, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Article seems to have been expanded enough but sourcing needs work. A few uncited paragraphs and discography is fully uncited. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:42, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) (Ongoing/Blurb) 2023 Israeli judicial reform protests

Article: 2023 Israeli judicial reform protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Israel, the Knesset approves of a judicial reform that would prevent judges from striking down government decisions (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After months of protests, the Israeli Knesset approves of a judicial reform that would prevent judges from striking down government decisions.
Alternative blurb II: ​ After months of protests, the Israeli Knesset approves a judicial reform bill that would prevent judges from declaring government decisions unreasonable.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Israeli Knesset approves a judicial reform bill after months of protests against it.
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I think it's time to put this back on the main page. Ad Orientem (talk) 21:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support The protests will get more headlines and more intense now that the Knesset have approved the controversial judicial reform. Article's also in good shape and it's been updated appropriately. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:30, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Might be better to have a new blurb along the lines of "Israeli government passes New law reducing the power of the country's courts, sparking a new wave of protests" (or along those lines) Masem (t) 21:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that a blurb seems more appropriate, now that the law has been adopted. In lieu of that, I would support ongoing, but right now, it's the top headline and should be treated as such. -- Kicking222 (talk) 23:46, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As I stated, I would support it going into ongoing, but I would not be opposed to a blurb. I wasn't sure how to add a nom showing a blurb and an ongoing nom together. Please feel free to fix it if I screwed up :) --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:54, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't object to a blurb, but if we do go that route, it should mention the ongoing protests. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb, then ongoing if it's still going on after the blurb rolls off. Meets notability standard, considering coverage of law and protests. The Kip (talk) 01:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb - per The Kip. Jusdafax (talk) 03:26, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The nomination does not list any sources. Having looked into this myself, it seems clear that the proposed blurbs are inaccurate. The law does not "prevent judges from striking down government decisions" as judicial review will still exist. The limitation is on the use of reasonableness as a justification. When you look at our article on reasonableness, it's easy to see why it's problematic because it is quite fuzzy and so tends to be a matter of opinion. The general topic here is judicial activism which is also being rolled back in other places such as the US. Explaining this clearly seems beyond the power of ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:26, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson: What do you think of alt blurb 2? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:37, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Unsatisfactory. The bill does more than curb use of reasonableness; it also affects the appointment of judges and legal advisors. The target article has much to say about this and I haven't read it all but it seems easy to see an orange tag and substantial paragraphs with no citation. Note that our own supreme court has mandated that this part of the world is contentious and so must be treated with special care. A hasty, slapdash posting is therefore unwise. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The way of reading laws that replaces broader readings is no less political (e.g. Originalism).
It is on it's face political, as it claims that not only does the original intent and meaning matter, but the judge is the most appropriate person to determine what that meaning and intent was.
And de facto, it serves to pull power towards the legislative and executive and make it harder for laws to be reasonable.
Any small change would now have to be voted upon, which would be good, if elections and legislative were effective in affecting change, which they haven't been recently.
Which is a big win for conservatives.
It's not a neutral change that is unremarkable or not newsworthy. I wish more people were aware of it. 85.147.66.47 (talk) 23:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Propose altblurb to remove the need for us to come to an agreement on what the bill actually does: "The Israeli Knesset approves a judicial reform bill after months of protests against it." QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:29, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Added altblurb3 to the nomination, since (as I understand it) that's the procedure for proposing an altblurb. Please reprimand me or revert that if this is not, this is my first time diong this. THanksQueensanditsCrazy (talk) 19:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Trevor Francis

Article: Trevor Francis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Britain's first £1m footballer. Died of a heart attack aged 69. Article needs a lot of citations. Black Kite (talk) 13:59, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Always the sourcing, ain’t it? Anyways, way too many cn tags, sourcing needs improvement. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: George Alagiah

Article: George Alagiah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 23

July 23, 2023 (2023-07-23) (Sunday)

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Business and economy

  • A deal to sell a controlling interest in the Israeli financial firm Phoenix Group to a consortium led by an Abu Dhabi state holding company falls through. (Reuters)

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2023 Greece wildfires

Article: 2023 Greece wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thousands of tourists flee their hotels in Rhodes, Greece, from wildfires in what officials say is the largest emergency evacuation in the country's history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Wildfires in Greece result in what officials say is the largest emergency evacuation in the country's history.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Largest evacuation in country's history, spreading to other islands. Could be ongoing nomination as well. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:42, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This *should* be under the 2023 heat waves article that has been proposed as a topic or ongoing but which has not seen much improvement or getting close to posting. I would Oppose this as an isolated event from that heat wave article since there were no deaths, and there have been dozens of heat-related wildfires in the world to do this year.
Also the blurb is completely missing the wildfire part which is a key driver. Masem (t) 12:18, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Emergency alerts were sent to residents on the island to warn them of the wildfires and to evacuate." Technology stopped the deaths but can't stop the fire. Well 1 death, 20 injured, 600 million euro damage and rising. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:33, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is but one wildfire in the world as part of the heat waves, and the only reason this one is getting coverage is that Greece doesn't get frequent wildfires, and the images of thousands of tourists trying to flee. TEXTURING this wildfires while letting others go unnoticed is absolutely an example of extreme bias in the news that we should avoid. Masem (t) 13:23, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major news with large impact on the tourist industry in one of the most popular tourist destinations in the world. I don't think this can be directly linked to the 2023 heat waves because it's a common misconception that heat waves cause wildfires (they may pose a major difficulty in the process of extinguishing the fires, but the most common reasons are arson and lightning).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    RS are clearly linking the wildfires to the heat wave that creates conditions for small sparks to spread quickly and unpredictably [6] Its the same situation in Canada and the US. Masem (t) 14:29, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I have suggested an alt blurb which isnt focused entirely on tourists in Rhodes (as there have also been evacuations elsewhere), even though "tourists flee hotels" is the angle most English news outlets are taking. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support It's a bit light on info and heavily oversectioned (the international assistance could take up less screen space with a single table, for example), but I think there's enough here for the main page. Prefer altblurb for concision and more encyclopedic tone. --Jayron32 15:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt-blurb. -- Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now, though it is on an important and widely reported issue. The article needs to be fleshed out more. Right now it reads like a telegram noting locations of fires and how many firefighter other countries sent. I find that a bit thin. Yakikaki (talk) 20:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Multiple uncited claims, mostly in the international assistance section. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, but the article needs quality updates. The Kip (talk) 01:28, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on significance per masem. Weak oppose on quality as well, a few uncited statements/paragraphs. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:47, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Cambodian general election

Article: 2023 Cambodian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ruling Cambodian People's Party, led by Prime Minister Hun Sen, claims a landslide victory in the Cambodian general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The ruling Cambodian People's Party, led by Prime Minister Hun Sen, claims a landslide victory in the widely viewed as unfair Cambodian general election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ After his Cambodian People's Party claims a landslide victory in the widely-viewed-as-unfair Cambodian general election, Prime Minister Hun Sen announces his resignation in favor of Hun Manet.
News source(s): (AP)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Obviously rigged election by a dictatorship but an election nonetheless. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:23, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose a table in the results section needs a source. Support alt 2 when fixed. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:53, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2023 FIVB Volleyball Men's Nations League

Consensus won't be forthcoming. Schwede66 20:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2023 FIVB Volleyball Men's Nations League (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hosts Poland win their first VNL title after defeating the United States 3–1 in the final at the Ergo Arena in Gdańsk. (Post)
News source(s): Volleyball World
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Worldwide tournament watched by 1.2 billion people apparently according to the article, big news in certain parts of the world. Needs more prose in support of tables but nicely updated otherwise. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:43, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose notability per Sounderbruce. Oppose on quality as the article just has a bunch of tables. It needs more prose. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:55, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2023 British Open

Article: 2023 Open Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Brian Harman wins the Open Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In golf, Brian Harman wins the British Open.
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Major golf tournament. ITN/R. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is of sufficient quality for a sports article and event is ITN/R. @Admins willing to post ITN: concerns seem to be addressed and consensus seems achieved, so anyone willing to consider posting? Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:00, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2023 Tour de France

Proposed image
Article: 2023 Tour de France (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, Jonas Vingegaard (pictured) wins the Tour de France. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Major cycling event. ITN/R. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:09, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Back of the race is completely absent from "Race overview" (assuming I'm reading all the tables right). Needs to be added, but the rest of the article seems ready to go once that's done. Masem (t) 00:26, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Will work on it today. Turini2 (talk) 07:18, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Have written the lead section - the article now looks good to me! Turini2 (talk) 16:57, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Spain general election

Proposed image
Article: 2023 Spanish general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Spain, the conservative People's Party, led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo (pictured) comes first in the general election (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Spain, the People's Party, led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo (pictured) comes first in the general election
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Spain, the People's Party, led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo (pictured) wins a plurality of votes in the general election
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Spain, the People's Party, led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo (pictured) receives a plurality of votes in the general election
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In Spain, the general election results are indecisive, with the People's Party, led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo, (pictured) receiving a plurality of votes.
Alternative blurb V: ​ In Spain, the People's Party, led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo, (pictured) wins the most votes in the general election.
Alternative blurb VI: ​ In Spain, the general election results in a hung parliament, with the People's Party led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo (pictured) receiving a plurality of votes
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Significant, especially if the government ends up being PP/VOX. Not formally ITN/R but strong precedent for general elections. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Vince Hill

Article: Vince Hill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Abcmaxx (talk) 20:22, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional Support pretty well-cited otherwise, but the discography needs more citations ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 21:09, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agree; in its current state, it's not good enough. Schwede66 03:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Something something sourcing. Discography still remains mostly uncited. Plays section is fully uncited. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:02, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Destruction of the Transfiguration Cathedral in Odesa

Good faith nom. However, consensus to post will not develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:05, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bombing of Odesa (2022–present) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Transfiguration Cathedral in Odesa is partially destroyed during the bombing of the city by the Russian forces. (Post)
News source(s): CNN - Reuters
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July 22

July 22, 2023 (2023-07-22) (Saturday)

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RD: Sherry Ayittey

Article: Sherry Ayittey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://myjoyonline.com/former-fisheries-minister-sherry-ayittey-dead/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable & renowned Ghanaian politician, minister for several ministries in Ghana. Well written article Ampimd (talk) 18:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) UN World Food programme member killed

Closing per WP:SNOW and the fact that there's no article about this event. (non-admin closure) 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 19:46, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Killing of Moayad Hamidi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Moayad Hamidi, a senior UN World Food Programme (WFP) staff member from Jordan, was shot and killed by unknown gunmen in southwest Yemen in Turbah, Taiz. (Post)
News source(s): [1][2][3][4][5]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Sadly there are no articles about this this person and the tragic event that happened to him and if someone can create them that'll be very appriciated Abo Yemen✉ 14:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is not how ITN works. You need to first have an article. Then you propose a blurb at ITN, where editors will judge the blurb based on quality of article and significance of event. Tradediatalk 15:33, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and snow close No article, a theoretical article doesn’t seem to
meet WP:EVENTCRIT (tragic but looks fairly routine given the civil war in Yemen), and even if there was an article the event just simply doesn’t seem significant enough for ITN. I don’t think this nom is going anywhere so I’m suggesting a snow close. For the nominator if this is your first nom don’t be discouraged, keep trying. I also recommend you read How ITN works (and how it doesn’t), it’s a good essay that’ll inform you about common practice in ITN. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 16:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ill be sure to read it! Abo Yemen✉ 17:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Snow close. Create article first Kirill C1 (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. ^ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/21/un-food-agency-worker-killed-in-yemen
  2. ^ https://english.aawsat.com/arab-world/4446351-un-coordinator-assassinated-southern-taiz-presidential-council-vows-pursue
  3. ^ https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2023/07/21/UN-food-agency-worker-killed-in-Yemen-Minister-
  4. ^ https://www.siasat.com/un-food-agency-employee-killed-in-yemens-taiz-2647949/
  5. ^ https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/07/1139007
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