Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nova Scotia/Archive 2
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This guy from Cape Breton may be of some interest
Randy Conrad. What categories should he be in? There should be more coverage on him soon so could any of you guys just keep on the look out?--HamedogTalk|@ 14:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Volunteer
Hey, I'm a history major at the Royal Military College in Kingston, ON, but I'm originally from Parrsboro. I can assist with regards to Cumberland County and the Minas Basin/Bay of Fundy. (Psyklek 06:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC))
Halifax Debate
Hello fellow WPNSers. We have a very interesting debate going on the Talk:Halifax,_Nova_Scotia page, I am not going to prejudice it by talking about it, just please go and chime in with your 2 cents. WayeMason 14:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Updates, Updates
I have added a number of templates that I have been working on, in one case, the HRM one has been bubbling for 18 months. Thanks to Plasma East and Sonyuser for input. {{Infobox Village of Nova Scotia}} & {{Infobox_HRM_Planning_Area}} need help being implemented and information filled out.
{{Politics_of_Nova_Scotia}} is now installed, comments please, also articles it links to need to be tightened up and edited.
I have updated the top page of the project, archived the discussion until this year, and changed the focus to the Nova Scotia page. HRM gets an A rating, the provincial page is only a B! And it really does deserve a C or a B, its pretty long on history and short on everything else! WayeMason 11:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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County Map
I created a county map for Cumberland County and I'd like some feedback about it. Please look at it and let me know what you think!
Hello. I'm writing to inform the members of this project that I have moved the article List of Nova Scotia-related topics to Wikipedia:WikiProject Nova Scotia/List of Nova Scotia-related topics per discussion here. -- Black Falcon (Talk) 21:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Just did that article, based on the page of sites that need to be started. Anyhow, it's written by me, but based on what I could find online. If somebody know more about it, please add to it. Also, now that it has a page started, should we move it from where it is on the main page?--RobNS 18:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- I added that the Alehouse is the setting for the Keith's beer commercials.--Kirkoconnell 19:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- Not sure that needs to be there Kirk. Maybe it could be re-worded somehow. It sounds like an opinion now.--RobNS 23:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- I took a stab at it this morning... I think it reads in a more encyclopedic fashion. Good start though! I think that what would be great is if someone went and found out the name of the building and we renamed the article to that. The building would have its historic name on the historic plaque on the front. If either of you want a real challenge, take a look at Downtown Halifax it reads like it was written by the DBDC people... total advertising.WayeMason 10:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
How do I join the editting group?
Is there some kind of vote or do I just say I am an editor now?
I thought I would gt more involved with editting Articles and I travelled around the province and usually keep the Glace Bay/ Cape Breton articles honest when I can.
Please get back to me :)
--Kirkoconnell 16:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Dear Kirk, by all means, please edit away, we'd love to see your contributions. Actually, I have to get my act together and do more too. My last page creation here? the Halifax Ale House. I have to get moving as their are a lot of NS towns with little or no description. Me zon, consider yerself an editor. Cheers from Clayton Park West!--RobNS 02:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
My updates so far
He Guys, I had a bit of free time so I thought I would go through the article and make sure that the NS Project was included in all the discussion pages for the Subdivisions of Nova Scotia and that the Subdivisions of Nova Scotia had the Subdivisions of Nova Scotia tag.
If there is an article, I can confirm it does not have the Subdivisions of Nova Scotia tag and the NS Project tag in teh discussion page.
Also I am in the process of fixing up the pseudo info boxs that some of the towns have and replace them with real info boxes and I have been using my keen sense of sight and replacing all of the images with locations on them with pushpins over the Nova Scotia map. Takes a few seconds but I think it looks sharper if they all have the same. I intend to include the nova scotia location map for each sub div in each info box.
So i don't know if I am doing the kind of job you are looking for so you may want to check my edits. --Kirkoconnell 22:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I would like to help
I would be able to help out with the South Shore and valley
Ok so what do I do? Just add my name to the page myself? O.o Vancyon 00:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
More Halifax
I realise this has been gone over endlessly in the past, but I've just added some comments at talk:Halifax, Nova Scotia. -- Hongooi 08:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I would like to contribute
Digging through and old cedar chest belonging to my late grand father's mother. I found a file folder containing very old pages which were once stapled together, the staples have since rusted away. The pages are what I believe are a teachers copy of the History of Sydney Mines for use to teach students. The front pages reads as follows:
HISTORY OF SYDNEY MINES compiled by Mrs. Rederick G. Bain Convener of Program Committee for GREY HOME AND SCHOOL ASSOCIATION
I would like to contribute the information contained within these pages to the wiki for Sydney Mines in the best manner possible. Please send me a message or and email letting me know to go about this. -- (Withinside 16:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC))
- Thats sounds like information the Beaton insitution in CBU would be interested in. If I were you, I would scan them in the best way I could, without destorying them, and the highest resolution possible to you so you have the information and then look into donating the actual papers to people who would appreicate them/have the ability to look after them. That being said, any information in them can be entered into Wikipedia if you like, thats the whole point. You may want to cite the article as a source. I doubt any information would be cause anyone to object. It doesn't say Sydney Mines was discovered by an alien race etc. etc.. Anyway post away. Do what you can.--Kirkoconnell 17:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Cumberland County v2.0
After a failed attempt at a county map, I have decided to remove the ugly list from the main page for Cumberland County, Nova Scotia and create a separate List of Communities, Cumberland County, Nova Scotia. Let me know your opinion on this change! Andrew647 15:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Highway list detail debate
I have started a debate on Talk:List of Nova Scotia provincial highways. Please go add your two cents! When a consensus is reached, I will edit. Andrew647 14:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I've been doing quite a bit of editing on the Parrsboro article, moving things, adding references, etc. Feedback, anyone? Andrew647 06:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Gay Pride Flag Flapping --- (I made this entry on the Talk Truro, Nova Scotia page as well... didn't look like it gets much attention)... Is this the page where I should raise the issue of the "current affairs" entry on the Truro, Nova Scotia page? Previously placed under "Town History" (???), an entry is made regarding the recent vote by town council to not fly the rainbow flag over town hall. When looking at other municipal pages on wikipedia, I see no precedent for such content. Nor does any other municipality/city/town have a running "current affairs" section. It would be quite reasonable to have this article placed on a page dealing with gay rights issues, etc, but not on a municipality's page. I don't know the protocol for dealing with this issue, only that I have been properly scolded for having deleted the politicizing content. It should be removed. I fear that if it is not moved, the current affairs may become a running blog of every current issue in Truro. Obi123 14:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- You are quite right, this is hardly encyclopedic knowledge. I usually think in terms of "Will this likely be important knowledge in 100 years?" I doubt may will even remember it then. Now if there was some major riot in which people were injuried... then fine. That hasn't happened... yet :P lol -Kirkoconnell 15:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Adjacent Communities Template
I've been searching for one, and I found it. I'm going to use it in all the Cumberland County communities once I find the time to add it, I'm bogged down with writing essays right now. Think we can add it as a Wikiproject Nova Scotia standard?
Here is an example:
Andrew647 01:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- I've started adding this template to some communities in Cumberland. I will continue to add it to each one in the county. Can anyone make similar edits in other areas of the province? Andrew647 22:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Roads Template
I've created a template for all of the roads and highways of Nova Scotia, and added it to the main page for WP:NS, and would like feedback. Andrew647 02:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- After some discussion with the fine folks at WikiProject Canada Roads, this template has been withdrawn from use in favour of infoboxes that contain similar information. Andrew647 15:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Another template for deletion by the same user arguing that templates inside templates are not good. See: the discussion
Quite frankly templates into templates are good because it makes the navigation faster without being lost in the middle of a long lengthy list of roads (for example Alberta and Quebec).JForget 19:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Wikiproject Nova Scotia Newsletter
Over the next few days, I will be setting up a newsletter for our beloved project. I believe that it will allow us to focus our editing and make positive contributions instead of unorganized augmentation.
I would like to have support or help for this endeavour. If anyone is willing to help, leave a message on my talk page (follow the 6). Andrew647 17:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)
- 25 September 2007 - expires 30 September
- Digby chicks --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
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Portal:Nova Scotia!!
I am in the process of creating Portal:Nova Scotia and I would like help! I need assistance expanding the various items that are included on the page. If anyone wants to commit a few minutes to assist, that would be awesome. If not, drop a line of recommendations on the Portal talk:Nova Scotia to let everyone know what you would like to see on it. In any case, I hope this brings attention to our corner of the world and aids us in improving the quality of articles that fall under the scope of this project! Andrew647 16:23, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Advertisement for WPNS
We now have an advertisement with Wikipedia ads here! Andrew647 01:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Wile Carding Mill
Hey all, I'm requesting that the project atg be put on the talk page of Wile Carding Mill. Thanks.Bardofcornish 01:11, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Citation errors in article Geography of Nova Scotia
Several citation links are missing text. I don't know how to fix. 208.4.145.66 19:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC) rpyle731
Article with copyvio and other problems
Louisdale, Nova Scotia has had copyright violation problems dating back to early 2006. I realized this after two editors started conflicting over the history of the community. I've deleted all revisions since early 2006 because they contained copyright violations. I've protected the page for a week because of the conflict. Can some experienced members of the project coordinate a rewrite, supervise the article, and/or mentor the editors. (For non-admins, they are Grandiqueferry (talk · contribs) and 142.167.242.246 (talk · contribs) recently with Johncena325 (talk · contribs), Uglybaraco222 (talk · contribs) and Billpeters888 (talk · contribs) earlier) I'll unprotect (and would have no objection to any other admin unprotecting) provided a couple experienced editors are willing to supervise the article. GRBerry 17:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- As it was requested, I've expanded upon the problems at User talk:GRBerry#Louisdale, Nova Scotia. I've also previously posted to WP:AN/I letting other admins know that they should unprotect if the article starts getting supervision from experienced editors. GRBerry 19:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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Available auto location map
{{Location map Nova Scotia}} will add a map of Nova Scotia with a dot placed automatically using geo coordinates.
It can also be used with {{Infobox Settlement|pushpin_map=Nova Scotia}}
, such as in Chester, Nova Scotia.
{{Location map |Nova Scotia |lat=44.40489 |long=-65.99861 |caption=Location of [[Weymouth, Nova Scotia|Weymouth]] in [[Nova Scotia]] |width=220 }}
The preceding code will produce the map at right. --Qyd (talk) 00:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Nova Scotia in the Dutch Empire
Hello everyone! There is a discussion at Talk:Dutch Empire#Request For Comment: Map, because user Red4tribe has made a map of the Dutch Empire (Image:Dutch Empire 4.png) that includes significative parts of Nova Scotia. Would you like to comment? Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- I commented in the Acadia section. basically the Dutch empire never held any land in Nova Scotia. Nova Scotia/Acadia was a British/French battlefield. Any land held would have only been for a short time and certainly not noteworthy on a Dutch Empire Map. -Kirkoconnell (talk) 20:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
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St. Marys River Article
The St. Marys River article currently contains the claim that it is 250 km long; I do not believe that this is correct, though I do not know the correct length. Perhaps this is a typo for 50 km, which appears to be roughly right looking at a map? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vicmf (talk • contribs) 03:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Nova Scotia municipal elections, 2008
Just to let everyone in HRM know that I have created the Halifax Regional Municipality municipal election, 2008, it's a work in progressa, so please, feel free to contibute. I just felt we needed something out there. As for the rest of the province, you can copy what I did and create your own sites (like Yarmouth municipal election, 2008, or something like that). Have fun! --RobNS 03:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Please help to fulfill the dynamics of this list, List of waterfalls of Canada, and fill in any red link missing waterfall articles and their respective images. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 01:08, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
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Municipalities
I notice that some articles about municipalities take the form Shelburne, Nova Scotia (municipal district) with a redirect FROM the formal name of the municipality, ie Municipality of the District of Shelburne, Nova Scotia. Is there any reason not to reverse this? --Derek Andrews (talk) 17:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
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Lists of universities of Canada
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File:Maritimes.png
Image:Maritimes.png has been nominated for deletion. 76.66.196.218 (talk) 05:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
mormon temple in halifax
There is a Mormon temple in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Should the article belong to this WikiProject? LDS-SPA1000 (talk) 03:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- I am going to go with yes if it is in Nova Scotia? ... odd question...-Kirkoconnell (talk) 05:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
2009 ICF Canoe Sprint World Championships
FYI. The 2009 ICF Canoe Sprint World Championships are schedule to take place on Lake Banook in Dartmouth on August 12-16, 2009. If there are any user on this project interested, could they please take pictures of the event for uploading? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanking in advance. Chris (talk) 21:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- This article is now up for Good Article nomination. Chris (talk) 15:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- This article just passed Good Article nomination. Chris (talk) 22:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Possible article
Someone at WikiProject Nova Scotia may be interested in creating the following article: Edna May Williston Best [1]. Cheers! --Stormbay (talk) 02:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
- Feel free to make one if you want. I do not believe the point of this project is to "make" articles on suggestion of others but to review that apply to Nova Scotia and try to make them up to a higher standard. Thank you for your time though.-Kirkoconnell (talk) 17:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't realize that all the articles about Nova Scotia and its people had been written. :-) I came across this notable person and thought that someone might be interested....my mistake....happy editing. --Stormbay (talk) 20:46, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Photo request
Would someone like to photograph the Air Canada Jazz headquarters at Halifax airport? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 23:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
News articles no longer available
I was just checking the references for Green Party of Nova Scotia and most are broken. Both CBC and Chronic Herald seem to be removing old articles. The Herald seems to make some available for a fee. I haven't had any success finding them at archives.org either. This obviously has implications for many article references, especially if (as in this article) only an url is given with no date.
Any thoughts anyone? --Derek Andrews (talk) 18:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- I have noticed this too. I think the important thing is to make sure that even if it is an online article, that you use a good full citation, newspaper name, date, full headline etc so it still acts as a good reference when the online article is pulled, allowing someone to dig up the print article if it is important to them.Letterofmarque (talk) 14:07, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
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Great Resource for Community Articles
The Nova Scotia Archives and Records Management has put the book "Place Names of Nova Scotia" online: http://www.gov.ns.ca/nsarm/virtual/places/ It has name origins and very brief histories of every town and village including a lot of remote and obscure settlements (some of favourite places!) Some of the info is a bit dated, but the historical material is a great verifiable source for any community article.Letterofmarque (talk) 14:16, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Destination-ns.com/
It appears that http://www.destination-ns.com/ is a dead domain, and its former contents were used on articles of many small communities in the province. Members of the project should undertake a review of the articles that are affected. PKT(alk) 19:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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Chronicle Herald references
The online version of the Chronicle Herald is only available to non-subscribers for a few days after publication. It is therefore very important to provide a full citation including the article title and date of publication. I would also recommend that WebCite be used to archive the url. -- Derek Andrews (talk) 19:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Yes we should WebCite the thing.Moxy (talk) 20:36, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Barnstar
There is a thing that I made to improve the Nova Scotia article. When the article reaches a featured article, everyone that helped will get a special one time barnstar. ~~Awsome EBE123~~(talk | Contribs) 22:38, 23 February 2011 (UTC) Starting now.
WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Nova Scotia will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Nova Scotia's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 23:41, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Hello There. I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I feel completely unable to address any of this. In my editing practices, I tend to edit articles to correctly reflect "what actually happened" as opposed to "what some guy told me at Tims happened". If someone here has some sort of Women's reflective interest then maybe they can direct themselves to help but I always just edit the facts, not particularly shaded facts. And the last thing you want me to do is organize an off-wiki Women's event because it will likely have beer, wings, and hardly dressed women at it, which from experience is highly frowned upon in the female community. Thanks for paying attention to our little Project though. -Kirkoconnell (talk) 18:14, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think it would be appropriate for you to dictate the attire of the attendees to your event, but beer and wings are fine. I'm a bit confused by your suggestion that facts related to women's roles in Nova Scotia's history, society and culture are somehow "shaded". They are probably neglected (at least on Wikipedia), but I don't understand the implication that adding information on Nova Scotian women to Wikipedia is somehow inherently biased (any more than adding information about Nova Scotia is biased). Kaldari (talk) 20:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Request for cleanup assistance at List of city nicknames in Canada#Nova Scotia
This section of this list article needs cleanup. In particular, references based on reliable sources (not user-generated media such as blogs, forums, tweets, etc.) for the numerous of nicknames are required, as well as weeding out editor-derived/questionable nicknames from the genuine nicknames of widespread usage. I've cleaned up the Alberta section, and am looking to the members of the applicable provincial/territorial WikiProjects to help out with the other sections including this one. Thanks, Hwy43 (talk) 06:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Proposal to redirect Canadian related project talk pages
Please see Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#Proposal to redirect Canadian related project talk pages.Moxy (talk) 17:41, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
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