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South America

Colleˊ Kharis

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a musician and filmmaker, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for either musicians or filmmakers. The attempted notability claim here is minor film and music awards that aren't prominent enough to clinch an instant notability pass in the absence of solidly reliable sourcing, but the article is referenced almost entirely to primary sources rather than reliable ones -- YouTube, Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself in the first person, music metaverifying its own existence on Spotify or Apple Music, marketing content self-published by his own record label, his own social media accounts, etc. -- and the very few marginally (but not solidly) reliable sources are not enough to get him over WP:GNG all by themselves if the sourcing is 95 per cent garbage otherwise.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have much, much better references than this. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Bands and musicians, South America, and United States of America. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Argentina

La Helvecia sawmill

El aserradero 'La Helvecia', sito en la calle Colon 580, San Fernando, Argentina

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Fails WP:notability and verifiability – a search on google did not give any results about this sawmill (except some photographs uploaded to Commons by the creator of this article). I could not find any mention to this sawmill on San Fernando websites either. The article contains only one proper source. Fma12 (talk) 18:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It could be redirected to San Fernando, Buenos Aires, Fma12 (talk) 19:23, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "proper source" is shown on Wikimedia Commons, and it is sufficiently detailed, to keep the article. Pedro Tamagni is mentioned in the lower half of the right column on page 2376 of the Boletín . La Helvecia, owned by Pedro Tamagni, was among the three most important sawmills. NearEMPTiness (talk) 21:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course the source you show is a reliable one. The question is: is it enough to make this article "notable"? Fma12 (talk) 23:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, together with the more recent reception in Boletin, this seems to be the most noteworthy sawmill in the area. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 11:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Liam Payne. Note that I have merged this almost warts and all; anyone who feels this should have been selectively is free to trim the article themselves. (non-admin closure) Laun chba ller 14:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Liam Payne

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Feels like WP:NOTNEWS to me. While Liam Payne was famous, he wasn't famous to the degree that Elvis Presley, Kurt Cobain or Michael Jackson were that it would feel like having a separate page solely dedicated to his death would be warranted. What seems to me to be a good comparison would be the death of Matthew Perry , which nobody has decided warrants a standalone article. Wikipedia is supposed to be a summary of knowledge, and a lot of the detail in this article feels superflous. At 3,700 words currently, Liam Payne's article is also considerably below the 8,000 word limit where looking to split the article would be warranted, so I would support the selective merging of the content of this article back into that one. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, Music, Crime, and Argentina. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge selectively as the Payne article is not too long to do this. I know WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but the storied drug-related deaths of Keith Moon and Brian Jones don't have their own articles, heck, not even Elvis. I had a discussion on ITN about the unusualness of accidental deaths of musicians compared to murders, and I'm pretty sure that murder is about the only way that the death of a musician can truly take on a phenomenon of its own away from the artist. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:55, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge selectively to Liam Payne, in agreement with the nominator and previous voter. His recent death was indeed tragic for his fans, but this article is unfortunately leaning toward some obsessive and unhealthy trivia. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge selectively, the impact of Payne's death is defintely palpable but nothing like that of some other major artists who have their own dedicated Death pages (eg David Bowie and Michael Jackson). There is not enough information to warrant an entire article when it equates to what would usually fit in the Death section of any standard celebrity's article. AlienChex (talk) 20:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge selectively per nom. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:31, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to the death section of Liam Payne per what the word count states above. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Liam Payne#Death per above; his death gained a lot of attention, but not enough to solidify a split; the articles combined would only be about 5,000 words and thus fails WP:SIZESPLIT. LoTrWiki (talk) 01:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per above. Anything of real import here can go in the bio article. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Liam Payne#Death per aboveKeepcominback (talk) 13:02, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The investigation seems to be a developing story (here is an update, for example). This could be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Between the ongoing investigation and responses, it may be possible to expand several sections. Starklinson (talk) 11:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Liam Payne. Agree with others, I don't think this warrants is own article. Not yet at least. TheBritinator (talk) 14:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Liam Payne per above. His death is not worthy of a standalone article as, despite his notability, it has not had the impact of someone like Michael Jackson or even David Bowie. JeffSpaceman (talk) 16:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Agree 173.177.135.148 (talk) 23:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Agree. Doesn't warrant a separate article, at all. Pragnell1957 (talk) 11:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge While it does make international headlines and a lot of discussion regarding his death, this is not notable enough I believe. Until if more details of the investigation turn up, it'll remain within Liam Payne's article. ROBLOXGamingDavid (talk) 14:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not gonna lie, this is a detailed and very well-written article, probably GA standard. Too bad I'm leaning towards merge and redirect per above. Don't really see a reason to grant a standalone article for now. Maybe if turns out that it was a murder or so like the death of Michael Jackson, until then, it's remains can be preserved. dxneo (talk) 18:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Liam Payne#Death per above comments. TheWikiholic (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 07:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Liam Payne#Death - I invite the next editor who is able, to WP:SNOW close this one. Yeah, he was in a super-popular boy band, but there's nothing of substance around allegedly being intoxicated and then falling from a balcony. The death itself, while sad, isn't, probably won't end up being as widely felt as the deaths of the King of Pop or David Bowie. Google didn't crash after Liam Payne died. It's hard to find this event notable beyond the collective public grief as expected from the death of any popular figure. Can't really even condone draftifying. Barnt Toust 12:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

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Brazil

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Chile

Colombia

Ecuador

Paraguay

Peru

2009 Espinar bus crash

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Lacks sustained coverage in secondary sources and had no lasting effects. This is a news article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Just imagine if an accident that killed 41 people that happened in the UK or USA was nominated for deletion! Clearly WP:SYSTEMIC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete – There appears to be some continued coverage that may demonstrate the event's notability,^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] however, the fact that some do not provide significant coverage of the event plus the lack of demonstrable lasting effects all make me lean towards a weak delete. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 17:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Mal estado de vía sería causa de accidente" [Poor road conditions could cause an accident]. Diario Correo (in Spanish). 29 December 2009. Retrieved 18 October 2024.
^ "Internan en penal de Chumbivilcas a chofer que causó 42 muertes al volcar bus" [Driver who caused 42 deaths when bus overturned is held in Chumbivilcas prison]. Agencia Peruana de Noticias (in Spanish). 13 May 2010. Retrieved 18 October 2024.
^ "La tragedia que enlutó la Navidad" [The tragedy that darkened Christmas]. Diario Correo (in Spanish). 25 December 2010. Retrieved 18 October 2024.
^ "Ni empresa de transporte, ni aseguradora reparan a vï¿½ctimas de accidente | La fuga de Guapo Lindo" [Neither the transport company nor the insurance company compensates accident victims | The escape of Guapo Lindo]. El Búho (in Spanish). Retrieved 18 October 2024.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For policy based input please
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]