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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 14, 2024.

Donald Trump's ear

Donald Trump's ear → Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible search term. Un assiolo (talk) 22:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - beyond implausible EvergreenFir (talk) 22:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as creator. I do believe that it's a term that's relevant to the target and isn't defamatory in any way, otherwise I wouldn't have created it. But I get it if it's deleted; it's kind of silly and that sort of thing tends to push people toward taking it less seriously from a functional perspective. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep feel like years later people will find this interesting. In the same way that people talk about the body parts of famous people, like van Gogh's ear. 14.49.153.193 (talk) 23:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: while I get the idea, I don't think it's a plausible search term. Who would be searching for "Donald Trump's ear" when they mean to find the assassination attempt where he was injured in the ear? Loki (talk) 23:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now. It's way too soon to know whether this will be a lasting thing or not - e.g. will he (or others) keep referencing it? will it become a meme of some sort (I saw one before I read the news, so it's not implausible)? will it be noticeably disfigured such that people want to know why? Unless it is very obviously becomes a notable thing, we should revisit this in a few months but until then it's harmless so rather than speculate and maybe delete unnecessarily we should wait. Thryduulf (talk) 23:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now per Thryduulf.
— Urro^{[talk][edits]} ⋮ 23:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Plausible. Bremps... 01:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep who would be searching for "Donald Trump's Ear" in any other context? Caleb M1 (talk) 01:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Caleb M1: "Implausible search term" means that no one is likely to search for it in any context, not that the target is implausible. --Un assiolo (talk) 20:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Changing vote to Delete Caleb M1 (talk) 17:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Quite silly but fine. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. Pretty silly, but I've seen sillier. User:WoodElf 01:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It is odd, but it's a reasonable search term. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now, it's vague and a bit silly but this is likely what people are looking for, at least currently. TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 19:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bails

Bails → Bail (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not sure. Normally plural->singular is a good thing, but bail, the legal concept, lacks a plural, like "sheep" or "rice". I went there expecting Bail (cricket), and the edit history shows that it can also refer to Bail (jewelry). Absent other meanings, "bails"->"bail" would make sense as a redirect from typo or spelling error, but when the word has its own meanings distinct from the error, the error shouldn't be treated as the primary topic. Now: whether a retarget to cricket or jewellery is best, or whether we should disambiguate them (and maybe throw in the legal concept too), I don't know, but either one is better than the current target. Nyttend (talk) 19:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Bail (disambiguation). My search results were split almost exactly 50/50 between the cricket stump components and the jewellery with the uses alternating with each hit (something I don't recall ever seeing before) so there is very clearly no primary topic and the current target is not even a contender for it. Thryduulf (talk) 23:52, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, in case this interferes with a future WP:NATDIS.
— Urro^{[talk][edits]} ⋮ 23:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I very strongly do not support this. We don't delete a redirect on the grounds that something hypothetically might be moved to this title at some unspecified time in the future. If something becomes primary topic then it can simply be moved over this redirect at that time, until then though we will have inconvenienced readers for no benefit. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - We don't delete plural redirects per WP:RPURPOSE if there is an equivalent singular. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Bail (disambiguation) per Thryduulf; not convinced there's a primary topic for the plural. (In the States most search results are for jewelry, but of course the cricket term has plenty of significance too.) The NATDIS argument only makes sense if there's a primary topic, which there isn't (in my view). Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retain in some form. Reasonable {{r from plural}}. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 10:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except the current target doesn't really have a plural form. Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per WP:PLURALPT, the criminal meaning doesn't even mention the plural form while the cricket and jewellery meanings do. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate point to the dab page -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Double dual

Double dual → Dual space#Injection into the double-dual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Bidual → Strong dual space#Bidual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These should probably point at the same target. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 18:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are similar, but there's an important difference: the double dual is purely algebraic and completely general (basic linear algebra), while the bidual requires a topology and is much more specific, namely in functional analysis. They should reference and linked to each other as related and confusingly similar, but distinct.

—Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 18:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It seems that "bidual" and "double dual" are used synonymously, although I have never heard of "double dual". However, there are two notions of biduals corresponding to two notions of duals: the algebraic dual formed by the linear forms and the topological dual formed by the continuous linear forms. So, I suggest to transform Bidual into a dab page with two entries and to redirect Double dual there. The entries could be labeled "in linear algebra" (for the present target of bidual) and "of a topological vector space" (for the present target of double dual). D.Lazard (talk) 18:53, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that these terms can occur in many notions of duality, see e.g. also Dual_cone_and_polar_cone#Properties. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 18:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a further reason fora dab page. D.Lazard (talk) 20:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A disambiguation page seems in order, given the multiple meanings of "double dual". I've drafted one at [1], linking to Bidual, and added a link from (the target of) Bidual back to Double dual at [2]. WDYT?

I've heard the term "Double dual" used widely in linear algebra, group theory, etc., but this is the first I've heard of "Bidual", and it seems specific to the Topological Vector Spaces (though used specifically for normed spaces, Locally convex topological vector space, etc.). A quick check of Wikipedia and Google agrees.

If someone more familiar with biduals wants to expand that to a dab too, no objections, but given the distinct uses, "double dual" and "bidual" aren't generally used synonymously and shouldn't be merged, despite the similar meaning ("dual of dual, in some context"). Notably algebraic duals or Pontryagin duality don't generally use the term "bidual".

—Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 05:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of most massive exoplanets

List of most massive exoplanets → List of largest exoplanets (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect is redirecting to a completely different topic, it compare sizes, not mass. I would suggest either deleting or redirecting to List of exoplanet extremes#Most massive, that show why we can't say what exoplanet is the most massive known. 21 Andromedae (talk) 18:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree with the nomination, this was already discussed with no consensus. SevenSpheres (talk) 18:29, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My preference would now be to retarget to List of exoplanet extremes#Most massive, since I've added a mention of a candidate for the most massive exoplanet by the formation definition. SevenSpheres (talk) 19:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per SevenSpheres -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of nearest free floating planetary mass objects

List of nearest free floating planetary mass objects → Rogue planet#List (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unusable and unsearchable WP:XY redirect. Also, the redirect target doesn't contain a list of the nearest free floating planetary mass objects. 21 Andromedae (talk) 18:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A list by distance could be created at the target. Otherwise I agree this should be deleted. SevenSpheres (talk) 18:29, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Super Mario Wii 2: Galaxy Adventure Together

Super Mario Wii 2: Galaxy Adventure Together → Super Mario Galaxy 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Super Mario Galaxy 2 is not known by this name. The article has only had this title for 16 minutes before being moved back. Mia Mahey (talk) 16:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No mention of this title in article. Never released as this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - It is a proper title for the game in South Korea based on a few searches. Probably still a delete, though. --Super Goku V (talk) 03:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is the official Korean name for the game, it is also listed as so on the Mario Wiki. This could be added to the Wikipedia page as well. BigManBigChange (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
wp:rlang applies here. same reason a korean redirect for a kirby game got deleted 10 days ago. if a source is eventually found, it could potentially be added as a piece of info in the development section, but otherwise, nah. the same rationale applies to the nomination just below this one. delete cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The odd title is the result of last-minute changes brought due to the Korean Intelletual Property Office determinination that the original title conflicted with multiple pre-existing products. Strangely I can't find any source that covers this. Ca ^{talk to me!} 09:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Super Mario Wii: Galaxy Adventure

Super Mario Wii: Galaxy Adventure → Super Mario Galaxy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Super Mario Galaxy is not known by this name. The article has only had this title for 24 minutes before being moved back. Mia Mahey (talk) 16:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not aware of it ever going by this name. Seemingly nothing more than an artifact from an erroneous/misguided page move years back. Sergecross73 msg me 16:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No mention of this title in the article. Not a common name by any standards. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - It is a proper title for the game in South Korea based on a few searches. Probably still a delete, though. --Super Goku V (talk) 03:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is the official Korean name for the game, it is also listed as so on the Mario Wiki. This could be added to the Wikipedia page as well. BigManBigChange (talk) 07:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting factoid, but MOS:VG says that regional alternate names generally aren't included unless they're from the developers/publishers home country, and this is not a Korean-made game. Sergecross73 msg me 12:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per rlang, unless a source can theoretically be found and added to the article without looking forced. explanation found on the nomination right above this one cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kangxi Radicals

Kangxi Radicals → Kangxi Radicals (Unicode block) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Either Kangxi Radicals (Unicode block) sjhould be moved here, or it should point to Kangxi radical (where Kangxi radicals points). –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 07:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Kangxi radicals. There is no reason why either different capitalisations or singular/plural should lead to different places. Thryduulf (talk) 12:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily. See WP:DIFFCAPS. Also, Gods is the plural of God, but it redirects to Deity because the "God" article is limited to monotheism, which rejects the idea of gods in the plural. Nyttend (talk) 19:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In general that's true - different capitalisations and pluralisations do sometimes appropriately lead to different places, however I was referring to this specific redirect (although I now see I wasn't clear about that): Kangxi radical, Kangxi Radical, Kangxi radicals and Kangxi Radicals should all lead to the same target. Thryduulf (talk) 00:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Best Year Ever

Best Year Ever → Best Week Ever (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The page title could also refer to the SpongeBob 20th anniversary celebration known as "Best Year Ever". Retarget to SpongeBob SquarePants#Twentieth anniversary or disambiguate? 1033Forest (talk) 03:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambig. Unsurprisingly this is a very common title for references, but in addition to the current target and the SpongeBob Squarepants targets I've found I Love...#Best Year Ever… (More4), Amelia's Best Year Ever (Amelia's Notebooks#Elementary school), and a Doctor Who episode (Doctor Who: The Eighth Doctor Adventures#Series 4 (2022)), none of which seem primary. It wouldn't surprise me if there are more as this is not an easy thing to search for (which also means search results will be extremely unhelpful so we definitely should not delete this). Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

QTPOC

QTPOC → LGBT (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
QTIPOC → QTPOC (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at the target page, or at List of LGBT-related acronyms. Un assiolo (talk) 22:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this should point to Person of color. But since it's not mentioned there, Wiktionary could solve the problem. It should be noted that this abbreviation is mentioned here, here Web-julio (talk) 01:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

and here, here, and here. many others Web-julio (talk) 01:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

QTIPOC also exists. Web-julio (talk) 01:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which I added to the nomination. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 19:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - someone added it to List of LGBT-related acronyms now with sourcing, so either keep the current redirect to LGBT or change the redirect to the list article. Raladic (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crows in popular culture

Crows in popular culture → Cultural depictions of ravens (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect leads to Ravens. Which is a different bird. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Corvus#Cultural depictions, which covers this topic. - Eureka Lott 18:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Corvus#Cultural depictions per EurekaLott --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Corvus#Cultural depictions 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 05:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per above BugGhost 🪲👻 12:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and WP:RM. The current target also covers crows so I'd rather see a name change to reflect that. Probably something like Cultural depictions of corvids. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move target to Cultural depictions of corvids or Cultural depictions of ravens and crows (I prefer the latter, per WP:COMMONNAME, but don't object to Tavix's suggestion either), while also updating the lead section of that article to mention crows as well, because the body of the article definitely includes crows pretty prominently alongside ravens. Fieari (talk) 23:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: the Cultural depictions of ravens article currently mentions crows a few times, but I wouldn't say that it covers the subject. The article could be modified to expand its scope, but that's outside the purview of RFD. We shouldn't base our decision here on a hypothetical repurposing of another article. - Eureka Lott 17:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget or keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Corvus#Cultural depictions PersusjCP (talk) 20:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]