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December 3

Category:Members of the Anointed Quorum

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Listify and delete. This category is for membership in the early Latter Day Saint movement's short-lived Anointed Quorum, which was essentially composed of those deemed most faithful and therefore were the first individuals to participate in the Latter Day Saint temple rituals. This may sound important, but it's actually quite a minor point of LDS history. As one user has pointed out on the talk page, it is very difficult to find membership in this group even mentioned in biographies of any of the included people. As a reflection of this, membership hasn't been prominent enough to be mentioned in most of the WP articles on the people. As such, membership in the group could not be considered defining for any of the people—they are all notable for other reasons that have to do with the Latter Day Saint movement. No official or public list of the group ever existed when it was active from 1842–1845, and it has been left up to historians to piece together the membership, so lists have been created in modern times by historians of the Latter Day Saint movement. I suggest that this topic would be ideally covered by simply adding a list of members to the short article Anointed Quorum. I would be happy to undertake that effort. Notified creator with {{subst:cfd-notify}} Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Johnbod (talk) 14:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I freely acknowledge my lack of expertise in the subject area; nonetheless, I find Good Ol’factory's rationale very persuasive. Delete per nom. Cgingold (talk) 04:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Nicknamed groups of soccer teams

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. —EncMstr (talk) 01:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming of Category:Nicknamed groups of soccer teams to To be determined

Nominator's rationale: Listed are groups of players at a club at a particular time who were given nicknames that had currency in national or international media reporting. Aside from the missing disambiguate 'football', I really don t know what the name should be. The current name however seems too ambiguous Mayumashu (talk) 18:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. Category:Nicknamed generations in soccer teams catches it better, but still sounds a bit odd. Johnbod (talk) 20:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm not convinced that this is a legitimate category at all. It seems to be grouping unrelated articles about football teams together simply on the basis of their having a nickname of one type or another. 62.41.28.66 (talk) 11:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd certainly disagree with that. I've looked at most, & the all seem to be genuine Golden Generations - unfortunately that name seems a little too obscure & ambiguous for a category. Category:Golden Generations in soccer teams might do it. Gre-No-Li, with only 3 members might be a bit different. All the ones I've looked at are only in their club/national team category and this one. Johnbod (talk) 01:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Even if we consider these "Golden Generations" teams, that term seems to me to be too POV and subjective to be amenable to categorization. This looks like list-cruft (no offence with the "cruft"; I just mean list "stuff"), but not a category. Otherwise we're just categorizing by a POV judgment call by somebody (it's not clear who, exactly) that these teams were extra special and so had a catchy nickname that collectively probably do not have any significance when the individual articles are cross-compared. So why even have the category? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That issue is dealt with by the notability of the individual articles, and is not an argument for here. This is the only category, apart from the individual team ones, grouping these articles, and should therefore be allowed per WP:OCAT. These articles are only about the nicknames. The UK ones are highly notable, I can assure you. Categorization is not about "significance when the individual articles are cross-compared" - many categories would not meet that test? At the very least they should be listified. Johnbod (talk) 13:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't think I was making a notability argument at all. I was arguing that it's more of a categorization by shared name (or shared POV judgment call) than anything else. I have no concerns about notability and the existence of the articles themselves. I just question the appropriateness of grouping them together, since they share nothing in common except a POV judgment that somehow they are extra-special in the context of the country's football history and therefore deserve a catchy nickname. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 20:33, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Good Ol’factory. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See above; this is essentially a notability argument, and not for here. Johnbod (talk) 13:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Defunct airlines of East Germany

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Tiptoety ^talk 21:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete East Germany only ever had one airline - Interflug. Having a category for a single airline is rather pointless, a single category "Defunct airlines of Germany" is sufficient and already exists. Passportguy (talk) 19:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Defunct airlines of Germany as their appears to be no navigation benefit to distinguishing by East or West. Alansohn (talk) 20:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a part of a series, Category:Airlines of defunct states. If the proposal is to delete this or to merge, then the nomination should be directed at Category:East Germany. If that category exists, then it is reasonable to have subcategories especially when they are parts of a series. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a part of a series, Category:Airlines of defunct states. (There was a considerable difference between E and W Germany.) Occuli (talk) 17:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
keep as part of a series Category:Airlines of defunct states and as a subcat of Category:East Germany, which is a subcat of Category:Former countries in Europe. Hmains (talk) 22:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
keep as part of a series etc. Johnbod (talk) 01:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Defunct airlines of West Germany

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The result of the discussion was: Keep with no prejudice to the appropriateness of West Germany's being considered a "defunct state". --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 00:05, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete See above Passportguy (talk) 19:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Defunct airlines of Germany as their appears to be no navigation benefit to distinguishing by East or West. Alansohn (talk) 20:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a part of a series, Category:Airlines of defunct states. If the proposal is to delete this or to merge, then the nomination should be directed at Category:West Germany. If that category exists, then it is reasonable to have subcategories especially when they are parts of a series. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I should add that this is not a single entry category as the nomination implies. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Close I don't see nom's rationale, Interflug is not a West German airline, so no rationale was given for this request. Further, there is more than one airline in the category already, showing that the rationale suggested is even less appropriate. 76.66.194.58 (talk) 05:53, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a part of a series, Category:Airlines of defunct states. (There was a considerable difference between E and W Germany.) Occuli (talk) 17:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Comment~~ Delete "West Germany" is not a "defunct state"; the GDR dissolved and joined the FRG. Canada did not become a new state after Newfoundland joined, nor India because of Sikkim, nor the U.S. after Vermont, etc. -choster (talk) 19:30, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I strongly oppose the deletion or merging of this category with that as the reason. If your point is correct, then the parent category needs to be nominated and discussed. Picking and choosing here is not reasonable. If the parent is deleted, then all of the sub categories can be deleted. If the parent category remains then the subcategories should remain. At best this suggestion is premature. I'll also add that deleting the parent category while the main article still exists is not likely to gain much traction. So maybe you need to start trying to get the main article deleted. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - The articles in Category:West Germany are analogous to those of Category:Occupied Japan; they should be limited to articles specifically about the period itself. But how is an airline based in Düsseldorf which went out of business on 1 October 1990 materially different from one tht went out of business a week later? I further agree that the thinly populated Category:West German people and its subcats is needless, and indeed many of the entries are already listed in Category:German people. The film and sports subcats will also need review.-choster (talk) 23:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Defunct airlines of Germany. Per Choster, "West Germany" is not a defunct state; it's a defunct name for a state that still exists, with the same official name. The reason I suggest a merger rather than deletion is that airlines that went defunct in West Germany are still defunct airlines and the country they went defunct in is still Germany, so they do belong in the broader category. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well it still has an article. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - We are not talking about Category:West Germany. There is no article for Defunct airlines of West Germany that would convince me it is a special class of airlines.-choster (talk) 23:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
keep as part of a series Category:Airlines of defunct states and as a subcat of Category:West Germany, which contrary to the assertions above, is a subcat of Category:Former countries in Europe. Hmains (talk) 22:44, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I maintain that "West Germany" is not a former country, only an obsolete name. I've started a discussion at Category talk:West Germany.-choster (talk) 23:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Choster, who is plainly correct on the "former" issue - it was always the Federal Republic of Germany, as it is now. There may be a case for keeping some articles, like the "borders of" sub-cat in the West German cats, but not these airlines. Johnbod (talk) 01:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Railway stations in Tamilnadu

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete by Prodego as empty category. NAC. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 23:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose delete of Category:Railway stations in Tamilnadu

Nominator's rationale: Category:Railway stations in Tamilnadu has zero entries. Also, Category:Railway stations in Tamil Nadu already exists and has few entries. VasuVR (talk, contribs)

Speedy delete. I'm going to call it as a typo; the two cats are obvious duplicates and the region's article is Tamil Nadu.-choster (talk) 18:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete as probable typo. Alansohn (talk) 18:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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international football (soccer) category pages missing disambiguate '(soccer)'

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The result of the discussion was: Rename --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 17:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming

Nominator's rationale: recently the use of the disambiguate '(soccer)' for category pages that refer to the sport internationally was reasserted (in a nomination discussion of replacing the disambiguate with 'association football'). These pages are missing the disambiguate Mayumashu (talk)

Comment If we are always disambiguating the term as "Football (soccer)", then by all means I support the proposal. If we are doing this, we should handle all of the soccer categories, rather than dealing with them on a piecemeal basis, though it appears that the nominator made an effort to include the ambiguous categories. If the goal is to disambiguate only where needed, "Football managers" is the term used for soccer, while the term "head coach" or "coach" is used in Category:American football head coaches and Category:American football coaches for American football. I have no objection to infixing "(soccer)". Alansohn (talk) 19:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Since you mentioned it (and because I'm a dangling modifier lover), I'll note the ambiguity of "American football coaches". Surely it's supposed to mean "people who coach American football, regardless of their nationality", but it could just as easily mean "Americans who coach some form of 'football' (even soccer…)". — CharlotteWebb 21:56, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I see this has already been recognized in regard to Category:Players of American football. I'll probably nominate the coach categories for a similar renaming tomorrow unless somebody else does meanwhile. — CharlotteWebb 22:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. IMHO the current category names imply that generic "football" in WP means association football, but football covers all sports called football (word), which lest we forget include not just American football, but the Canadian, Gaelic, and Australian rules varieties, and sometimes rugby as well.-choster (talk) 03:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. But not all football/soccer categories need renaming - those for countries like England, Germany, Brazil etc where the plain name is locally unambiguous should be just football. Johnbod (talk) 14:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Could some one please tell the Americans that only they play American football and to every one else "Football" (without qualification) measn soccer? Peterkingiron (talk) 23:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Monospace typefaces

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Monospaced typefaces. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 17:08, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Monospace typefaces to Category:Monospaced typefaces

Nominator's rationale: per the recent move of Monospace font to Monospaced font (based on the fact that the grammar of the latter is correct and that of the former is not). -- Evertype·✆ 17:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't it be Category:Monospaced fonts to match the main article? Otto4711 (talk) 05:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was treading lightly, just fixing the grammar on both of these articles by adding the -d. As it happens "font" and "typeface" are not entirely synonymous. From Typeface: "The term typeface is frequently conflated with font; the two terms had more clearly differentiated meanings before the advent of desktop publishing. The current distinction between font and typeface is that a font designates a specific member of a type family such as roman, boldface, or italic type, while typeface designates a consistent visual appearance or style which can be a "family" or related set of fonts. For example, a given typeface such as Arial may include roman, bold, and italic fonts. In the metal type era, a font also meant a specific point size, but with digital scalable outline fonts this distinction is no longer valid, as a single font may be scaled to any size." -- Evertype·✆ 08:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an outstanding issue about closing this request? -- Evertype·✆ 22:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Eddie Van Halen

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 22:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete He only ever co-produced two Van Halen albums, no solo credits. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 17:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Van Halen

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Redundant, they didn't produce anything except their own albums. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 17:04, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by The Sinceros

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 22:26, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete The only albums they produced are their own creations. Redundant. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 16:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Adam Selzer

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 22:26, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Per precedent, albums shouldn't be categorized by producer unless the producer has an article. Furthermore, there's only one album in the category. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 16:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Pete Ritzema

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 22:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Per precedent, albums shouldn't be categorized by producer unless the producer has an article. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 16:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Isley Brothers songs

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Tiptoety ^talk 22:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Isley Brothers songs to Category:The Isley Brothers songs

Nominator's rationale: To match parent. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename To match article The Isley Brothers. Occuli (talk) 16:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 20:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Isley Brothers albums

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Tiptoety ^talk 21:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Isley Brothers albums to Category:The Isley Brothers albums

Nominator's rationale: To match parent. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename To match article The Isley Brothers. Occuli (talk) 16:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 20:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Tommy Lee

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The result of the discussion was: result. Tiptoety ^talk 22:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Co-produced two of his own albums and co-produced someone else's. Precedent is that a producer must have multiple solo credits for a category. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Raimond Lap

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 22:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Circular category. He didn't produce anything except his own albums. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:The Balham Alligators albums

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The result of the discussion was: Never mind, didn't know that. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 18:23, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Category consists only of redirects. Album pages have been merged to parent article, so I see no purpose for this category. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - proper use of redirects: see WP:CAT-R. (A purpose is to enable those browsing in Category:Albums by artist to find albums by any artist whose albums are chronicled in WP.) Occuli (talk) 16:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by The Isley Brothers

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 21:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Redundant category. Their only production credits are for albums that they also recorded. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – I would query the word 'redundant' as Category:Albums produced by The Isley Brothers (6 articles) is in a different category tree from Category:Isley Brothers albums (33 articles, needs renaming with a 'The') and is by no means all of them. (Some were produced by just 2 of the brothers - I expect to see these at cfd shortly.) Occuli (talk) 15:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still, they didn't produce anything but their own albums, so this category is pointless. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't pointless (or redundant or circular) as it can be found when browsing the category tree Category:Albums by producer and the other one is not there. Occuli (talk) 16:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Dr. Strange Records albums

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Dr. Strange Records albums --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 23:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest merging Category:Dr. Strange Records albums to Category:Dr. Strange albums

Nominator's rationale: Merge, duplicate categories for albums released by the Dr. Strange Records label. No opinion as to which should be the final merge target, or even if another rename is preferred, as long as we just have one category at the end of the day. Postdlf (talk) 15:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Dr. Strange Records albums per article Dr. Strange Records. Occuli (talk) 15:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge "Dr. Strange" to "Dr. Strange Records" as parent is "Dr. Strange Records". Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:ISP in Indonesia

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Internet service providers of Indonesia --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 23:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:ISP in Indonesia to Category:Internet service providers in Indonesia

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Spell out the initials and use the plural form, to conform with numerous existing categories such as Category:Internet service providers of Australia. Stepheng3 (talk) 07:31, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Correction: It should of course become Category:Internet service providers of Indonesia. - Stepheng3 (talk) 07:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:"Cooking By The Book" A Lil' Bigger Mix images

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 21:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete This category appears to serve no purpose other than to promote a music video. Stepheng3 (talk) 07:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by David Gest

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 21:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete David Gest generally doesn't produce. As far as I can tell this is the only album he produced. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 06:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Ace Frehley

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 21:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Redundant. Only albums produced were also recorded by the artist. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 06:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Sean Delaney

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 22:29, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Per precedent, producers should not have categories like this unless they have multiple solo production credits. Delaney has two, and neither is a solo production credit. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 05:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Paul DeVilliers

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 22:29, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Per precedent, albums shouldn't be categorized by producer unless the producer has an article. Same drill as other categories of this type that I've nominated. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 05:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Mike Curb

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 22:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Per precedent, a producer must have multiple solo production credits to warrant a category. None of these albums was produced solely by Mike Curb. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 05:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Hans Georg Brunner-Schwer

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Tiptoety ^talk 22:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Per precedent, albums shouldn't be categorized by producer unless the producer has an article. Once again, I see no proof that Hans has the potential for an article. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 05:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There exists an article for Hans on der German Wikipedia, and I intend to create one as soon as I am sober. He was a notable German Jazz record producer and playboy. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 00:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, if you create one then I'll withdraw. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 01:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Jeff Bova

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 22:32, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Per precedent, a producer must have multiple solo production credits to have a category. Bova appears to have only two, and they're both co-production credits. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 05:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by The Balham Alligators

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The result of the discussion was: delete - not contested after five days. Tiptoety ^talk 22:32, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Category consists only of one redirect. Furthermore, the Balham Alligators have never produced anything save for their own albums. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 05:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums produced by Bernie Andrews

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Tiptoety ^talk 22:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Per precedent, albums shouldn't be categorized by producer unless the producer has an article. I see no evidence that Bernie Andrews warrants an article. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 05:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - googling on ("Bernie Andrews" bbc) will demonstrate that he has been a prominent and well-known bbc music producer since the 1950s. Occuli (talk) 14:03, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then why the hell doesn't he have a page? I can't find any reliable sources for him whatsoever. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 19:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Scottish Sports Hall of Fame

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Scottish Sports Hall of Fame inductees --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 23:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Scottish Sports Hall of Fame to Category:Scottish Sports Hall of Fame inductees

Nominator's rationale: as per the norm for cat pages that list inductees of a sport(s) hall of fame Mayumashu (talk) 02:16, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support, per several other subcats of Category:Sports halls of fame. Although I note that only a minority of those subcats appear to conform to the "... inductees" format - maybe a mass-nom is merited? I note that the alternate "... members" appears to be used by at least one sub-cat, but this is inappropriate for the SSHF, as the body itself uses the word "inductees": http://www.sshf.co.uk/ (Note to closing admin: I believe that the proposer has a wee typo there, and meant to spell it "inductees".)--Mais oui! (talk) 10:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support The category is primarily including articles about inductees (the preferred spelling), not the HoF itself. Alansohn (talk) 17:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

spelling corrected, apologies Mayumashu (talk) 18:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The category should also be reparented to Category:Halls of fame inductees.-choster (talk) 19:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ivor Novello Award winners

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn by nominator. The more I have read up on this award over the past day or so the more inclined I am to think that it's more "prestigious" and notable than I had been suggesting. I'm fine with keeping this as an award category. (I'm a little surprised that the WP article does not better reflect the nature of this award.) Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Listify and delete. My interpretation is that this is classic overcategorization by award recipient. The award is not "career defining" (a vague judgment call, I know) and is nowhere near the status of the Nobels, Academy Awards, or even the Grammys (though there are those who have disagreed with this). The article Ivor Novello Award has remained quite small over the months. I propose converting this category into a list of winners. This category was nominated for essentially the same reasons in 2006, but it was closed as "keep". Perhaps the development of what is understood to be award overcategorization since this time will change the result here. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - normally I'm strongly in favor of listifying and deleting awards categories but looking through the results of a Google search it does appear that this award is prestigious and is frequently mentioned in sources about its recipients. Appears to rise to the prestige level that would justify a category. Otto4711 (talk) 02:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Otto - the poor state of the article is not reflective of the importance of the award within the music industry. Furthermore, the phrases "the Ivor Novello award winning" / "the Ivor Novello award winner" are frequently used in discussing recipients in newspapers and on websites. Bencherlite (from my non-admin account Bencherheavy (talk)) 12:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A notable and strong defining characteristic that is unique in the music industry in recognizing songwriting, rather than performing. While I strongly disagree with the completely subjective and arbitrarily-high bar set on including only those awards that are equivalent to a Nobel Prize, the Ivor is an award that deserves to be categorized. Alansohn (talk) 18:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Divisions

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Divisions (military units), mainly because the groups discussion was closed by adopting the parenthetical. But as nominator has stated, an additional discussion can take place if someone is unhappy with this name as opposed to some of the other options. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Divisions to Category:Military divisions

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Current name is ambiguous. Based on the parent category the category is intended for military units. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Divisions (military organizational unit) , since military division is also ambiguous, to a layman, could refer to a branch, or a military district, etc. 76.66.194.58 (talk) 06:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is remarkably similar to the debate vis-a-vis Category:Groups. Cgingold (talk) 09:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support renaming, though the issue should probably be dealt with in a consistent basis with Groups, both of which have potential ambiguities, though any rename will be clearer than the current title. Alansohn (talk) 17:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I found the main article at Division (military), and would prefer a rename to Category:Divisions (military units) or at least Category:Divisions (military). The parentheticals, while ugly, make it clear that the term is being used in a particular context. -choster (talk) 03:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support rename preferenably as choster. WE recently discussed Air Force Groups, which raised similar issues. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I am not opposed to either of these. Given the lack on consensus on a target, but the total consensus for a rename, I would not have a problem with the closer simply selecting any of the above choices. If someone is not happy, an additional discussion could take place, but I sense that for now there would not be an objection to any other name. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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