Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vulture's

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The result was delete. absent significant third party coverage Spartaz ^Humbug! 17:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vulture's

Article does not explain how this software is notable (WP:N), nor provide any references, 3rd party or otherwise (WP:V) Marasmusine (talk) 15:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletions. Marasmusine (talk) 15:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Interesting genre and derivation of existing (and perhaps non-notable) games. But no shred of notability or significance established other than the fact of its existence.ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If there is an article or list online about free/OSS RPG games, vulture's gets mentioned [1][2][3][4][5]. Vulture's was also mentioned in as well as bundled with linux format issue 80[6]. Entro-P (talk) 09:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The notability threshold requires that coverage be significant. The links provided above are either one sentence, or even only mentioned in passing. Really only about.com and madison.com are reliable sources, and could be used to support an equally short mention in the Nethack article. Marasmusine (talk) 09:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - meets the usual inclusion threshold. I do not see any reason to argue for a special exception in this case. Wily D 12:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Curious, can you explain exactly which sources you are using to show how it meets the general notability guideline? Marasmusine (talk) 12:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Here's some more coverage, for anybody who wants to attempt to save this article, but I simply can find no reason that it should be saved. Per WP:TOYS, it is unlikely that this is notable. DARTH PANDA ^duel 20:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it is a very meagre stub, but I believe it has some potential. Hopefully the games WikiProject will show it a little TLC in the near future. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Darth_Panda and nom. I don't see the "significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" that would take this over the notability bar; the article is unreferenced, and doesn't even assert notability for its subject. This is one open-source software project amongst thousands, with nothing to prove that it significantly stands out from the crowd. EyeSerene^talk 15:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've not a clue about this subject, but don't leave it a redlink: if it's deleted, it would be quite reasonable to recreate as a redirect to Vulture. Nyttend (talk) 00:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you meant Vultures (plural), which already redirects to Vulture, this however is Vulture's (possessive) as a shortening and combination-article for two games, Vulture's Eye and Vulture's Claw entro-p (talk) 16:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge/Redirect: Vulture's Eye is a graphical user interface for Nethack, which is notable enough to have its own Wikipedia entry; failing keep it should redirect to Nethack with a suitable merged section.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 02:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note also that Falcon's Eye, an earlier Nethack GUI, has its own article as well (albeit a stub); if that is notable then so is Vulture's Eye.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 02:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Did a real quick check. Falcon's Eye has an article written about it published by O'Reilly [7]. It doesn't mention either Vulture anywhere, so I don't see how this is notable if that is. Marasmusine (talk) 10:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - That article was written many years before Vulture's existed so there's no way Vulture's could have been mentioned. Falcon's Eye development ceased, Vulture's Eye is a continuation of that source code. Everything that Peltonen "envisioned" as cited in that article by yourself, has already been implemented in Vulture's Eye. entro-p (talk) 12:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I know this is probably the wrong place for such questions, but I find I need to ask. Vulture's refers to two projects. Vulture's Eye (NetHack) Vulture's Claw (Slash'EM). It's the same interface, but for two game engines. If it was to merge would it have to merge twice, into NetHack as well as into Slash'EM? entro-p (talk) 07:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - That in itself is probably a good reason to keep the Vulture's article separate and crosslink it to both Nethack and Slash'Em.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 18:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't suppose anyone has found any coverage of the type suggested by the WP:GNG, yet? Marasmusine (talk) 23:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A google search for Nethack and "Vulture's Eye" produces some 1300 hits, most of which appear to refer to the installation or inclusion of the package under Windows, MAC OS, and several different flavours of Linux (Red Hat, Gentoo, Ubuntu), or to the difference between Falcon's Eye (now defunct) and Vulture's Eye. I don't know if that qualifies for general notability.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 05:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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