Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Silvia Lesoil

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The result was withdrawn--Ymblanter (talk) 11:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Silvia Lesoil

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Fails WP:GNG as presently sourced as there is no evidence of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. The only sources referenced in the article are "listings in database sources with low, wide-sweeping generic standards of inclusion" excluded from showing notability per WP:SPORTSCRIT. In my WP:BEFORE I searched both "Silvia Lesoil" and "Silvia Helene Lesoil" in ordinary Google search, GNews, Internet Archive, Gbooks, but failed to find any significant coverage, though there were books listing competitors at all of the summer games that included her but only as a name in a long list of names (see, e.g., here). I'm not ruling out there being offline or paywalled archive coverage of the subject but for the sources available to the ordinary editor doing a reasonable search nothing came up.

Whilst the Norwegian counterpart lists gold medals in the Norwegian national fencing championships, there is no significant coverage in independent, reliable sources of this that I have been able to find. Looking at the Norwegian Wikipedia page for the Norwegian fencing championships this appears to be cited to a general list of medalists/champions. Similarly the corresponding French article mentions the national championships but cites these to the Sportsboken for that year (i.e., a general list/directory of sports events). The Norwegian national fencing championship competition does not appear to be a very high-profile championship. As such this doesn't appear to be an automatic pass on notability.

In terms of ATD a redirect seems reasonable (the only other Silvia Lesoil I see mentioned is Silvia Mercedes Lesoil, a non-notable acupuncturist), there are two different articles related to events in which Lesoil took part so Norway at the 2000 Summer Olympics seems a better redirect. FOARP (talk) 16:33, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:15, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:15, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:15, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She's a five-time national champion [1], as well as multilpe second and third placements at said championships. I also found this, but it's paywalled/subscription. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:19, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
X number of minor titles =/= notable. Coverage of those minor titles would show notability if it is significant, but it doesn't show up in any of the reasonably-available (i.e., non-paywall) sources online. There's no reason to believe that Norwegian women's (or men's) épée champion is a big deal. FOARP (talk) 18:24, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I don't know anything about AfD on this project, and im not familiar with GNG/SIGCOV. However, I have access to Retriever/Atekst, which is the "official" news archive in Norway. I got 121 matches for this name. Some of them is small articles only with results etc., but a few is a bit bigger. I don't know what kind of sources you need for this, but one of the matches says that she was number 6 at the Europeans (1999) and number 9 at the Worlds (1997). Tell me what I should look for, and then I can add the sources to the article. --- Løken (talk) 17:46, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Løken: - thanks for this. If any of the "bigger" articles are along the lines of interviews, or previews for upcoming tournaments, those would be great. Thanks again. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:15, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Løken: Of interest are articles that have content beyond mere mentions. Biographical details (parents, schooling and tertiary education, upbringing, other interests, partners, work, etc) would be fantastic to have. Schwede 66 18:22, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Schwede66, we need non-interview, reliable (e.g., newspaper) sources describing Lesoil in detail (e.g., at least three long paragraphs about her). Happy to withdraw the nomination if there are at least two of these. FOARP (talk) 18:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some sources (all newspaper):

Her husband name is Andreas Brønner^[1]

Part of her job is to host TEDx in Norway.^[2]

A bigger interview with a preview for the Olympics, which also mentioned her studies (industrial design)^[3]
Number 8 in Worlds 1999 in Seoul^[4]

In 1992, her title as national champ was also a "kongepokal". Read more about kongepokal with google translate etc. in no:Kongepokal. ^[5]

I also found articles about her motivation for the sport, name of her coach, which sport she attended in her youth, all or some of the national titles and the 6th placement in the Europeans. Also the name of her profession is online here: [2] (business consulting). --- Løken (talk) 19:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per sourcing by others. gidonb (talk) 01:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think reasonable BEFORE was done, but then if the subject's most notable achievements are in national championships (which I would contest aren't unimportant, they're at a national level, as important as any other country competing for their best, but I digress) - the extra search done of Norwegian sources has shown up more than an American-oriented google did, SIGCOV is met. The database sources were probably scrounged from no.wiki, and non-English Wikipedias can sometimes seem to prefer generic or unusual sources (I've recently seen he.wiki having a strange preference for SPS). Kingsif (talk) 06:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawal Comment - Happy to withdraw based on the new sourcing. Løken - you don't have to do this but it would be great if you could add information from these sources into the article. Cheers everyone. FOARP (talk) 11:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Hagen, Per Erik (16 July 2012). "Fikk oppleve Rigmorhavari i Sandvikselva". Budstikka.
^ Bjørkeng, Per Kristian (2012). "Foretrekker levende foredrag". Aftenposten.
^ KIRKEBøEN, STEIN ERIK (2000). "Høye mål i liten idrett". Aftenposten.
^ FIVE, HENRIETTE (10 March 2000). "Siste stikk før Sydney-OL". Aftenposten.
^ RISVAND, NILS EIVIND (31 March 1992). "Silvia tok kongepokal". Aftenposten.

[1] Hagen, Per Erik (16 July 2012). "Fikk oppleve Rigmorhavari i Sandvikselva". Budstikka.

[2] Bjørkeng, Per Kristian (2012). "Foretrekker levende foredrag". Aftenposten.

[3] KIRKEBøEN, STEIN ERIK (2000). "Høye mål i liten idrett". Aftenposten.

[4] FIVE, HENRIETTE (10 March 2000). "Siste stikk før Sydney-OL". Aftenposten.

[5] RISVAND, NILS EIVIND (31 March 1992). "Silvia tok kongepokal". Aftenposten.

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