Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ray Oliveira

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The topic is notable, meeting GNG (not unanimously) and NBOX (unanimously). However, by strength of argument, BLPSOURCES is not met, HEYMANN has not occurred, and therefore according to cited BLP "#Proposed deletion of biographies of living people" applies as an expired PROD. As the topic is demonstrably notable, it can and should be re-created with suitable reliable sources. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:42, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Oliveira

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I am unable to find multiple reliable sources that significantly discuss the subject. Google search comes up with fewer than 100 results, some of them about other people with the same name. ... discospinster _talk 16:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. ... discospinster _talk 16:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Boxing-related deletion discussions. ... discospinster _talk 16:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Fails WP:GNG, and is currently unreferenced. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:38, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep aside from the WBU title fight he fought for two legimate version of the world title which means he will have been in the Top 10 of each body at that time which means he will have passed the criteria. --Donniediamond (talk) 11:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, for the reasons of editor want to keep this article. Davidgoodheart (talk) 01:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree he meets WP:NBOX, but my search didn't find convincing evidence that he meets WP:GNG and the article has no references at all. Meeting an SNG creates a presumption, but not a guarantee, of notability. WP:NSPORT says "The topic-specific notability guidelines described on this page do not replace the general notability guideline." A similar discussion recently came up at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rafael Dias (mixed martial artist) that resulted in the article about a fighter who met the SNG being deleted. I didn't vote yet in order to give those wanting to keep this article a chance to garner some sources. If I were to vote based on the current article's condition, I would vote to delete it. Papaursa (talk) 02:00, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 16:48, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment there appears to be mountains of material about him if you google him.--Donniediamond (talk) 20:47, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good source. Could you provide a couple of others in the "mountains of material about him" you say are out there. My search found the one you highlighted, but mainly lots of routine sports reporting. Papaursa (talk) 02:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Easily satisfies both WP:GNG and WP:NBOX. Coverage includes [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], and there's plenty more. For those editors stating that he 'fails GNG', where exactly did you look? --Michig (talk) 19:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Most of those (ESPN, TSS, WBN, Guardian, BBC, Manchester Eve News, Eurosport) are reports about fights or upcoming fights. While they include some background about the participants, it's not significant coverage of the individual. ... discospinster _talk 20:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - I disagree. --Michig (talk) 20:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:08, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional "Keep otherwise Delete: While there are sources "out there", that I think can satisfy the notability criteria, this 2008 unsourced article wades deep into failing WP:BLP and would qualify for a lot of content removal leaving a pseudo biography. It was tagged as having no references or sources so does not satisfy WP:BLPSOURCES (also referred to as "WP:CHALLENGE" and "WP:BURDEN") that states: WP:Verifiability, states that all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation}}, that is also reflected in the lead. The sources provided by {{noping|Michig]] indicate there is notability, to pass GNG and I imagine SPORTSPERSON. Being a BLP the issues above is generally satisfied by someone adding the provided references (as inline citations) that we call a HEYMANN. Some have argued that "notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article" but BLP's are very clearly not included. If everyone is too busy I will justifiably wish this be counted as Delete. Also, multiple sources (added inline) that might not provide proof alone, can satisfy the sourcing requirements. -- Otr500 (talk) 07:23, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.