Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pilot (Faking It)

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The result was no consensus‎. ✗plicit 03:41, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pilot (Faking It)

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Not every TV episode needs an article. There are some reviews present, but not convinced they support notability. This TV series doesn't have an individual article for every episode, so that arguement for inclusion is invalid. In addition, the plot is already covered in the article on the show.

Previous REDIRECT was reverted, so bringing it here for discussion. Let's decide once and for all if this episode is notable or not. DonaldD23 talk to me 18:17, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:33, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Believe additional sources[1][2] I added in last year were enough for WP:GNG. Found brief book coverage[3], where while talking about the series, they do briefly discuss pilot. Also found a Hollywood Reporter[4] article about the pilot being shown early, but there already is a review from them in article. WikiVirusC^(talk) 14:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge a trimmed down version to Faking It (American TV series). Lacks SIGCOV for the episode, coverage is all mentions in the context of the series. // Timothy :: talk 15:22, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:36, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Faking It (American TV series). Sources don't meet WP:SIGCOV, and the sources mentioned by WikiVirus above don't cut it in my opinion. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 00:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Venable, Nick (2014-04-22). "Faking It Review: Stereotypes Meet Screwball Faux Lesbian Dramedy". CinemaBlend. Archived from the original on 2023-05-07. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  The review notes: "But it was still with an impartial mind only sprinkled with antipathy that I bussed into the first episode of the new teen dramedy Faking It, in which the central hook involves two best friends posing as a lesbian couple to attain more popularity in their trope-filled high school. By the end, though, I almost wanted to curl up inside a locker with a bag of milk and watch Sifl and Olly on my phone. ... I could easily throw more hatred at Liam’s “I’ll fuck anything as long as it understands my rules” attitude towards women, or the fact that the two leads are already outed as non-lesbians twice. But the episode did have a few rays of sunshine to balance the vomit jokes and the Shia LaBeouf reference. Karma’s initial goal of pretending to be blind to fit in was an inspired way to start the plot off, and I like the way the foul language is bleeped rather than substituted for corny slang."
2. McHatton, Nick (2014-04-23). "Awkward Review: An Outlook of Doubtful". TV Fanatic. Archived from the original on 2023-05-07. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  Editors at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 260#TV Fanatic found TV Fanatic to be marginally reliable. The review notes: "Thankfully, as Faking It Season 1 Episode 1 points out, there is life past the phony relationship. It's just a matter of getting to that point first - but with both sides "un-outing" themselves in the premiere, the timeline can't be very long. ... The supporting characters of Shane and Liam are pretty one note at the moment. Liam, particularly, is just about finding the right buddy for the night and his general ideas of women in general are rather sad considering how progressive the show is trying to be."
3. Swift, Andy (2014-04-22). "Did You Fall For MTV's Faking It?". TVLine. Archived from the original on 2023-05-07. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  The review notes: "There’s a magical high school in Austin, Texas, where being different is a cause for celebration, rather than an excuse for ridicule — so much so that two social nobodies can skyrocket to instant popularity simply by pretending to be lesbians. That’s the basic premise behind MTV’s new comedy Faking It, which premiered Tuesday, as best friends Amy (Rita Volk) and Karma (American Idol‘s Katie Stevens) engage in a faux-lesbian relationship after some misinformed encouragement from new pal Shane (United States of Tara‘s Michael Willett)."
4. L., Melissa (2014-04-24). "How Is MTV Indoctrinating Your Kids Today? The Debut of 'Faking It'". New York Observer. Archived from the original on 2023-05-07. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  The article reviews the first episode of the TV series. It notes: "When that fails, Lauren just loudly grumbles that she wants to ship them off to the Isle of Lesbos. It’s an idle threat that the school’s Queen Bee — Shane, who “came out in the 4th grade” — overhears. He notes that “bullying the gays is so late ‘90s,” and as it so happens, he has been “craving lesbian energy in his life”. Amy and Karma’s fake relationship gives them instant celebrity status, which naturally includes an invitation to a party at his house. When they try to tell Shane that they aren’t gay, he just accuses them of being closeted. ... While Karma loved how Amy “sold” their relationship, Amy may actually be struggling with her sexuality, which is the realest thing about this show so far. Can’t wait to see what happens next week when MTV continues trying to make teen open-mindedness happen."
5. Hale, Mike (2014-04-21). "Their Surprise Route to Popularity". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2023-05-07. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  The review notes: "If any of these shows are genuinely subversive, however, it’s probably MTV’s “Faking It,” on Tuesday. The network’s latest attempt to get another scripted teenage comedy off the ground (so far “Awkward” has been its only notable success), the series is set in a fantasy version of Austin, Tex., where a high school’s overprivileged mean girl can fume that she’s being discriminated against. ... And for ballast, there’s the executive producer and writer Carter Covington, who worked on the ABC Family comedy “10 Things I Hate About You.” His script for the “Faking It” pilot has a snap and cleverness reminiscent of that earlier show."
6. Ng, Philiana (2014-04-15). "MTV's 'Faking It' Pilot Debuting Early (Exclusive Video)". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on 2023-05-07. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  The article notes: "MTV is giving early access to the full pilot of Faking It, a half-hour comedy revolving around two best friends, Karma (Katie Stevens) and Amy (Rita Volk), who pretend to be lesbians to gain social standing."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow "Pilot" (Faking It) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Cunard (talk) 10:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to consider new sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:58, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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