Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nakhichevan Eyalet

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 16:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nakhichevan Eyalet

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No evidence that this entity ever existed. From Nakhichevan Khanate, the Ottomans occupied it between 1635-1636 and 1722-1736, but there's no mention of a eyalet/pashalik/beylerbeyilik being established anywhere. eh bien mon prince (talk) 15:35, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. czar · · 20:23, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. czar · · 20:23, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I created the original redirect (not an article) based on Donald Edgar Pitcher's An Historical Geography of the Ottoman Empire (E.J. Brill 1972). On a list of "Eyâlets which had disappeared before 1609", Nahçivan is listed as "Beylerbeyi in 1603. Reference in 1591 to beylerbeyi of Erivan and Nahçivan, and possibly Nahçivan was never a separate eyâlet." I have added this info to the article (it was already in truncated form at Eyalet: Disappeared before 1609). — AjaxSmack 00:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't access the page from Google Books, but if it only possibly existed for just a decade, it's unlikely to deserve an article of its own. It could be merged with Short-lived Ottoman provinces instead.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 01:11, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a bad idea. Merge it. — AjaxSmack 01:39, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:I haven't seen Pitcher's book. But I know that Nahçivan was a part of the Ottoman Empire between the Treaty of Ferhat Pasha (1590) and the Treaty of Nasuh Pasha (1612) . It was either an eyalet of its own or a part of Revan (Erivan) eyalet. I think we should keep the article as it is. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 07:25, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If it was part of Erivan, why should we keep an article about a province that never existed?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 01:33, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say it was a part of Revan. I said it was maybe an eyalet of its own or maybe a part of Revan (or any other neighbouring eyalet for that matter). Since there is a source which supports the first alternative then we should keep the article. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:42, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Doesn't pass V and thus shouldn't be in mainspace at this time. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone 02:44, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar · · 03:25, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect -- probably to Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic, which has a substantial historical section, if I am coorect in thinking this refers to the same place. That article indicates tha the area was under Persian rule at the time in question. Nedim Ardoğa's statement about it being part of the Ottoman Empire 1590-1612 is consistent with what appears in the article, and presumably have a source in some contemporary list of Ottoman provinces. If so, the best solution will be to note that fact in that or some other Nakhchivan article and redirect there. This is part of its history and should be noticed in WP, but seems too ephemeral to require a separate article. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:24, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.