Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jdimytai Damour

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Many of the keep opinions provided little or no reason, or fell afoul of WP:NOT#MEMORIAL. As a result, the delete reasons, based on actual policies are much more convincing. Mr.Z-man 06:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jdimytai Damour

Not notable, only known for the incident that caused his death rogerd (talk) 02:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and/or merge with Black Friday Shopping. His name should be listed out of respect for his life. Something this tragic should be preserved for all to see
Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL and WP:BIO1E. It was/is an utterly shocking news story that was covered extensively, partly due to the motive behind a man's death, and the mark of American consumerism growing to an intolerable level. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parhelictriangle (talk • contribs) 18:37, December 1, 2008
Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL and WP:BIO1E. An unfortunate death it may be, but that's all it is. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 03:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 03:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete: Not notable at all. Schuym1 (talk) 03:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep — This guy made the AP CNN and Fox.

How many of us can claim that?

He's also well on his way to becoming a martyr. --71.142.252.230 (talk) 05:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC) — 71.142.252.230 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions. -- RayAYang (talk) 05:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I feel for the man and his family after this senseless death, but he is not notable, per WP:ONEEVENT. If he becomes notable due to legislation being named after him (or something like that), then the article could be recreated. As it stands now, however, it's just a sad event that is not notable according to our encyclopedic guidelines. Somno (talk) 06:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Nonnotable. Twri (talk) 06:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I do not think it should be deleted. This is information I want to know, and Wikipedia can provide it. If this article does not stand, it should either be folded into the article on Wal-Mart, or transferred to Wikinews. Alternatively, there should be an article on the event, not the person. But complete deletion into nothingness is wrong.--Westwind273 (talk) 07:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:ONEEVENT and WP:NOT#NEWS, though some info could be included into an appropriate section of a Wal-Mart or Black Friday article.--Boffob (talk) 16:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This was a one of a kind tragedy that should never happen again. He should not be forgotten, the incident is noteworthy for future reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.135.204.134 (talk • contribs)
Comment: I don't see how this person is notable when all he did was die. Schuym1 (talk) 21:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per Somno. He is not notable per WP:ONEEVENT. Tatarian (talk) 21:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to "Death of Jdimytai Damour" to cover the event rather than Damour himself. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 23:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC) (changed my decision based on response)[reply]
- The event isn't notable also. If people did what you suggested, every person that dies could have an article. Schuym1 (talk) 23:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete However tragic, this is an insignificant event and keeping the article even under the name "Death of Jdimytai Damour" is just tabloid morbid curiosity. This is certainly not a "one of a kind event". Stampedes kill people regularly. Mad crowds on boxing day or black Fridays are a common occurrence and regularly lead to injuries and property damage. This man's death is a terrible absurdity but it to CNN and AP not because of its profound importance but because it was a slow news day where crews and reporters were specifically assigned to get good stories about shopping hysteria. Let this guy rest in peace. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 00:58, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For now, delete & possibly merge by advice of Schuy and Pascal given how scant media coverage there has been so far. If the NYPD ever make any great insight in their investigation I guess that Wikipedia can expand its coverage. I found an article on the history of Wal-Mart, but I doubt the relevance of this even to the history of the Wal-Mart store chain as a company. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 05:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe just move the information to an article like Black Friday 2008 stampede or Wal-Mart stampede, but deleting something that made it on CNN is wrong I think. Fotisaros (talk) 07:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Being on CNN is not a good yardstick for encyclopedic value. This cute story made it to CNN, as did thousands of other human interest stories. There are already mentions of the stampede incident in the articles on Black Friday and on human stampede. There's no need for anything more developed. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 14:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge, however tragic, but not notable person. --MaNeMeBasat (talk) 07:19, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - flatly fails WP:BLP1E. The most appropriate target for a merge would be Black Friday (shopping) - but that article already mentions his death, and in about as much detail as is necessary. I don't think there's anything to be gained from a merge. Terraxos (talk) 16:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fully agree. However, I don't think it even makes sense to redirect Jdimytai Damour to Black Friday (shopping). It's an unlikely search term and, besides, there's no reason to present this tragedy as "Jdimytai Damour was killed in a stampede" rather than "a Wal-Mart employee was killed". Omitting his name is more respectful. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 19:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The incident received considerable coverage in the national media. However, it's important that the article be about the incident and not the person. I would consider a name change. Capedia (talk) 01:51, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per above. Abstrakt (talk) 03:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per above. davidzuccaro (talk) 04:25, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:ONEEVENT and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Don't rename this article since this incident is not notable enough to have its own article. Cunard (talk) 04:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Name change possible, should probably be about the incident Jackk (talk) 20:51, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per above. 64.180.109.136 (talk) 23:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename. The article should not about the person (who isn't particularly notable), but about the event of his death. BTW, the first story of the main page of Google News is now about how his family is suing Wal-Mart for wrongful death, so I'm sure we'll hear again about this story. (reuters) bogdan (talk) 00:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Maybe redirecting to somewhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.57.229 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTNEWS. - Biruitorul ^Talk 06:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Not notable as an individual, but still deserves mention somewhere, perhaps at Wal-mart or Black Friday (shopping). A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 19:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- As pointed out by Raven1977 below, this is sufficiently covered at Black Friday (shopping) already. I'm unsure of how we ought to proceed if there are significant developments in the lawsuit being brought against Wal-Mart or in the criminal investigation by police. However, since the individual is not notable by himself, I change my vote to Delete. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 03:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Already covered sufficiently in article Black Friday (shopping), a redirect is not needed as I don't believe his name is a common search term. Raven1977 (talk) 21:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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