Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gökhan Töre

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 19:29, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gökhan Töre

Non-notable youth player who has never made an appearance in a fully-pro league, and therefore fails WP:ATHLETE. Originally PRODded for the same reason, but the PROD was removed by an IP user with no reason given. Giant Snowman 20:43, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Giant Snowman 20:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I suggest a wait till after Chelsea play their game this weekend just to see if he gets a bit of play or not. Can never be too sure. :) Govvy (talk) 21:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response to be honest, I doubt a 17 year old is going to play a day after signing for his new club, and saying he will is a case of crystalballing. Giant Snowman 21:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Considering he was just recently signed and the fact Chelsea have the priority to either play him or not is a consideration, it's clear people are rash and haven't given a chance to see if Chelsea play him this weekend or not. I will judge my decision on what team Chelsea put out. Govvy (talk) 16:35, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, Chelsea have said he is only going to be a member of their youth team for the time being. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC confirms that Gökhan Töre is not in the squad for today's match against Liverpool. Giant Snowman 12:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And the BBC also confirms that he didn't make an appearance. Giant Snowman 19:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Article fails WP:ATHLETE and also appears to fail WP:N. The article is sourced, but even the Sky Sports article is trivial coverage which doesn't appear to satisfy WP:N. Jogurney (talk) 22:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: seems to just about meet notability guidelines. Jofakēt (talk) 22:18, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response and how does he "just about meet notability guidelines"? Giant Snowman 23:06, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment It seems a legit article. He has signed for one of the biggest clubs in the EPL and has also played for captained Turkey under 21's. keep the article, it would be foolish to remove. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.104.74 (talk) 01:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He is a very promising player and has signed for the best club in Europe according to Uefa co-efficients. He more than meets the notability requirements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.186.205 (talk) 02:19, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response to be honest, I doubt a 17 year old is going to play a day after signing for his new club, and saying he will is a case of crystalballing. He needs to actually play to meet notability guidelines, and national youth caps do not confer notability. Giant Snowman 15:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Turkish newspaper Milliyet says he signed an agreement and will play for Chelsea. --Turkish Flame ^☎ 02:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response to be honest, I doubt a 17 year old is going to play a day after signing for his new club, and saying he will is a case of crystalballing. He needs to actually play to meet notability guidelines. Giant Snowman 15:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per established consensus (see plenty of similar AFDs around) and WP:ATHLETE - being signed to a fully professional club is not enough, he must play a competitive first team game in order to be deemed notable. Claims like "he is a bright prospect for the future" or "he is going to play in the near future" are obvious violations of WP:CRYSTAL. --Angelo (talk) 16:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Simply doesn’t meet notability requirements (yet). MTC (talk) 16:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Angelo. He may in fact get injured and never play for Chelsea, so we must wait until he plays a competitive full team match. Eddie6705 (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - He fails WP:ATHLETE, we can't just pick athletes and say that because they are at a good club, they are automatically notable. If he never plays for the first team at Chelsea, he might be proud that he got there, but there is no need to say he is notable across the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alistairjh (talk • contribs) 16:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, the article can easily be recreated if/when he plays football at professional level. Until he does he is not considered notable enough for an article. King of the North East 17:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A footballer who has never played football? Not yet notable. --Dweller (talk) 19:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - vaguely worded journalistic claims about how he is "going to play for Chelsea" notwithstanding, he has not played, so he fails WP:ATHLETE. Some editors are unhappy enough about the number of WP articles on footballers, so we certainly don't need to increase that number even further by adding kids who've never played a pro match. And, to be honest, it is extremely unlikely he will play at all this season unless the club has some sort of massive injury crisis. As pointed out above, Chelsea may be one of the top clubs in the world, but merely being on their books is not a claim to notability. Judging from this, Chelsea have played as young as 9 on their books, and we obviously aren't going to have articles on them -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:39, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Never played a pro game. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 21:39, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - player fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:FOOTY/N. Recreate if and when he makes his professional debut. --JonBroxton (talk) 01:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - failed WP:ATHLETE, no evidence of extensive coverage aside from a brief mention in one newspaper. Qwghlm (talk) 12:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I've had a go at adding some sources to the article to help it pass WP:N. The subject however does fail WP:ATHLETE and it is hard to defend the inclusion of a 17 year old who plays in the Chelsea youth team. Not particularly notable even with the WP:RS that have been included, so delete I'm afraid. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - currently he is non-notable, signing for a big club doesn't change that, and saying he will play for them in the future is pure crystal-ballery. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 14:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:Athlete. He may be a sportsman but it is rather obvious that he is not a notable sportsman. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep Coverage in multiple reliable sources is a more important standard than WP:ATHLETE, and he meets it. Mr. IP 《Defender of Open Editing》 17:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment that fact that he was signed by Chelsea, one of the world's biggest club, meant that he got a mention on a few news websites, and doesn't really confer notability. Giant Snowman 18:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Surely an article requires not just multiple reliable sources, but multiple reliable sources covering the subject actually having done something noteworthy? Brooklyn Beckham got coverage in multiple reliable sources for being born, but we wouldn't give him an article because he hasn't actually achieved anything notable in his life, and neither has this kid - playing youth-level football and getting signed by a club which may or may not put him in their team in a year or two is not notable -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete allegedly famous for being a footballer, yet he's never played a first team game in a fully professional league. Restore if/when he does play. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 19:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Improve article conent or Delete - As stated, it meets WP:N, but not WP:ATH. If the article were to go more in depth, more information on his notability, then keep, if not then delete. Sephiroth storm (talk) 00:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete nearly but not quite made it footballer - fails WP:ATHLETE in that has not played yet in anything notable, signing contract is not enough. recreate if and when--ClubOranje^Talk 10:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.