Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Captain Chaos (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect to The Cannonball Run. It does not appear there's an issue with the similarly named band. If there is down the line, RfD and or a DAB can sort it out. At the moment, consensus is clear as a chaotic cannonball's path Star Mississippi 01:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Captain Chaos

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. The article contains no assertion of notability, outside a passing, one sentence long praise by by critic in one book. My BEFORE found a few more passing mentions which suggest that the character is seen by some as a highlight of the film (The Cannonball Run) but given the lack of WP:SIGCOV, that praise can be discussed in the film article. As such, I suggest we merge the one sentence of critic reception of this character to the film article (which currently doesn't mention this character outside plot summary and list of characters) and redirect it there. Prior AfD made a claim that there is lots of coverage but failed to cite any specific source outside a NYT-affiliated blog ([1]) which also is not SIGCOV and all it is useful or is as a possible reference for the claim that this one one of Dom DeLuise more memorable roles (he did not, however, win any awards for it, nor is it even mentioned in prose in our biography of his). In the end, this seems like one more unnotable, WP:FANCRUFT trivia, an artifact of Wikipedia's early years where people wrote Wikia/Fandom-level content on Wikipedia. 20 years later we need move on. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:20, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:20, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:20, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Does anyone have a working newspaper.com account? https://www.newspapers.com/search/?query=%22Captain%20Chaos%22%20%22cannonball%20run%22 Mine expired after a year and they haven't renewed it when I requested through Wikipedia library. Dream Focus 12:36, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dream Focus: almost all the results seem to be merely reviews of the movie, with almost nothing of note coming after. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 15:56, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that was also what the search results also showed for me. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Dream Focus 12:39, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to The Cannonball Run, the first of the two films the character appeared in. I'm really finding no in-depth coverage that would justify the character being split out into a separate article. There is very little information here that is actually cited to a reliable source, but I would have no objections if those couple of sentences on the character's reception were added to the film's article. Rorshacma (talk) 16:43, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Meh Of all the under-notable stuff we have lying around that could legitimately and appropriately be merged elsewhere, I just don't see this one as particularly egregious. I absolutely don't see this as deletion-worthy, have no objection to a merger into the movie. One doll, one award nomination, or similar would sway me, but the first page of Google Scholar results aren't at all related to this movie character. But what I don't see is a merge/redirect attempt nor a talk page discussion, so I think it's too heavy-handed to use AfD to 'force' such an outcome when it could likely have been adopted by consensus of involved editors. Jclemens (talk) 19:40, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jclemens Award I understand, but can you clarify the "one doll" for me? :) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
One action figure. Representation of a fictional element in another medium (book->comic, book->movie, comic book->action figure) is a criterion I use to assess notability that does not have explicit community consensus. Jclemens (talk) 15:38, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jclemens Hmmm. Do you think that every object portrayed by a LEGO set is notable? (Assume it's a LEGO set based on a franchise, like LOTR or Harry Potter, not generic sets, of course). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:10, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Every separate thing in any set? No. Anything sold as its own standalone set? Probably. I mean, a siege tower from Battle of the Pelennor Fields might not be, but I have no idea if those were ever sold individually. That sounds more like Warhammer than Lego. Jclemens (talk) 18:56, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jclemens I saw an editor argue that the existence of ' Pirate Ship Ambush' LOTR Lego set sufficienlty justifies the seperate existence of an article on the Corsairs of Umbar (as a separate entity from Harad). Would you agree or disagree? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 22:57, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It would be one source, yes, but looking at Google Scholar for that topic for 5 seconds suggests you likely have enough coverage without that. Jclemens (talk) 01:02, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jclemens Missing the point. I've asked if the existence of that LEGO set alone would make you think the topic deserves a stand-alone article. (And the other sources are plot summaries, hence why we have one article, not two, or three, as pl wiki had a separate article on Umbar too before we got rid of that fancruft). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:35, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that LEGO made a set out of a fictional element or event is pretty sure-fire guarantee that yes, there will be sufficient RS if one looks hard enough. That straightforward enough? Jclemens (talk) 21:57, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES, eh? No, no everything that has a a lego set or a doll has reliable sources. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:16, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can find various websites in America and Britain selling a "Captain Chaos Costume". Don't think that amounts to anything. Dream Focus 11:26, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as per Rorshacma. MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:15, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Cannonball Run: I only found a handful of passing mentions of the character. However, this is a plausible redirect. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 10:55, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the Google Scholar results, I am not sure any of them are notable, but it's not clear that this Captain Chaos is what most folks following a redirect would be looking for. Still, the artist Captain Chaos (band) points to doesn't appear any more plausible a target, so not really objecting. Jclemens (talk) 15:41, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jclemens Sidenote: for me it's https://shadowrun.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_Chaos

):Which, AFAIK, has zero relations, as least, I've never seen one. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:11, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.