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May 2018

Your recent editing history at List of cryptids shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. LuckyLouie (talk) 15:13, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I suggest you stop now before you are banned.Slatersteven (talk) 15:42, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Misuse of "minor edit" flag

According to Help:Minor edit you MUST NOT mark as minor edits "Adding or removing references, external links, or categories in an article". DuncanHill (talk) 22:20, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

I am so sorry. I won't do it again.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:22, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Edit summaries

It would be helpful to other editors if you made edit summaries when editing articles. As that page says

It is considered good practice to provide a summary for every edit, especially when reverting (undoing) the actions of other editors or deleting existing text; otherwise, people may question your motives for the edit. Edits that do not have an edit summary are more likely to be reverted, because it may not be obvious what the purpose of the edit was.

Accurate summaries help other contributors decide whether it is worthwhile for them to review an edit, and to understand the change should they choose to review it. When a major edit (e.g. deletion of a substantial amount of text, a significant addition, or a substantial rewrite) doesn't have an edit summary, there are fewer reasons to assume good faith and busy editors may be more inclined to revert the change without checking it in detail. Summaries are less important for minor changes (which means generally unchallengeable changes such as spelling or grammar corrections), but a brief note like "fixed spelling" is helpful even then.

To avoid accidentally leaving edit summaries blank, you can select "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" on the Editing tab of your user preferences, if you have created an account.

DuncanHill (talk) 22:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay. I will. I am somewhat new to Wikipedia, so I'm still trying to learn. I thought that cleaning up the Felidae categories would be relatively harmless if I messed up, and it is something I have expertise in.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:29, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Have you had a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mammals and Wikipedia:WikiProject Cats yet? You'll find other editors with similar interests there, and be able to talk to them about your ideas for improvements, as well as getting help and advice if you run into difficulties. It's also well worth having a look at article talk pages, to see the sort of discussions that have taken place in the past. There is also a Wikiproject specifically about Categorisation, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories which you might find interesting.

Wikipedia can be confusing at first, but there are people who will try to help if you ask. DuncanHill (talk) 22:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I am knowledgeable about cats, and am fond of organization. I have now moved on to dealing with a remarkable number of useless-seeming jaguar redirects. Could I nominate those for deletion?--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:46, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

You could, but have a read of WP:REDIRECT first. It has a section "When should we delete a redirect?" which is particularly relevant. In practice redirects are often not deleted - they often arise from common typos or may be a result of a page being moved. It's a good idea to look at incoming links to a redirect (or any other page) before nominating for deletion, as this will give you an idea of how used it is. I'll also mention WP:NOTBROKEN ("Do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken"), there are often good reasons that an article uses a link via a redirect rather than using the actual article name. DuncanHill (talk) 22:52, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Right now, it looks like there used to be a bunch of subspecies, and someone created a bunch of articles on them, only for all those articles to be merged into two articles. And the redirects aren't the useful kind, either. But I'll be sure to read those policies and take the necessary steps. Thanks.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:55, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Your removal of valid categories

Why are you removing articles from valid categories? DuncanHill (talk) 21:52, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

I haven't been removing articles from valid categories. Granted, I have been trying to clean up the taxonomic felid categories (mostly consisting of genera, species, and redirects), so I have been editing categories left and right. Once I get done, I think it will look a whole lot better, and make more sense. Sorry if it is messing people up.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Please stop removing valid categories and replacing them with their super-categories.--Mr Fink (talk) 22:00, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

(e/c)Here, here, and here for example. You removed articles from the categories named after them. DuncanHill (talk) 22:01, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh, those. In those cases, I edited the categories to show that those were the main article, then placed in the larger Category:Felines, which I believe should contain the articles about the genera within that tribe. The categories I removed them from, are for the species within each genus. Does that make sense?--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

It does not make sense to do that, no, especially when they can, and already have had the appropriate categories placed within the super-categories, instead of the articles, themselves.--Mr Fink (talk) 22:14, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

To explain better: Category:Felines contains articles about genera in that tribe, as well as a few species' articles whose genus is too small to warrant a category. The subcategories within Category:Felines, which are divided by genus, contain articles about the species and subspecies within that genus.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:16, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

SilverTiger12, you MUST NOT remove these categories again once other editors have restored them. If you stil believe they should be removed then it is up to you to start a discussion on the articles pages according t WP:BRD and seek consensus there. DuncanHill (talk) 22:18, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay, but please do not remove those articles from the category I placed them in, either.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:19, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

No - not when that would go against WP:SUBCAT. I see that at Acinonyx, for example, your edits have been reverted by 3 different editors - that's wasting other editors time. DexDor ^(talk) 06:08, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

You have also removed a lot of articles about human–tiger interaction from Category:Tigers. I cannot see how it is helpful for articles such as Tiger conservation and Tiger hunting to be excluded altogether from the hierarchy Category:Tigers. You seem to be removing every article that is not a direct example of the category name; but that is not how categories work in English Wikipedia – we allow somewhat oblique connections, where it will facilitate navigating between articles on related topics.

I am tempted to do a mass rollback on some of your contributions here [1] but perhaps the best way forward would be for you to create Category:Tigers and humans, Category:Lions and humans etc, as sub-categories of Category:Mammals and humans and Category:Tigers etc, and populate them with the articles that you removed.

If there are similar cases where there is not enough content to justify a separate category, please reinstate the relevant category that you removed.

If a new intermediate Category:Felids and humans might be useful, please include Category:Felids in art in it. – Fayenatic London 21:35, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

I see that you are still editing, but choosing not to reply. Moreover, you are still removing valid and useful categories from articles about related topics.

Let me try to explain things another way. Some categories in Wikipedia are "set categories", which should only contain members of a set (see WP:SETCAT). If there was a "Category:Panthera species", then the articles held directly within it should generally only be articles about a Panthera species, or lists of such species. However, other categories in English Wikipedia are "topic categories", and these validly include broader material that is related to the topic.

You seem to be treating all Felid categories as set categories, where they have been validly used as topic categories. Please desist from removing useful content from such categories. If you persist, especially if you choose not to discuss your actions, it looks very much like WP:Disruptive editing, for which there are various sanctions.

Stop. Think. Talk.

– Fayenatic London 08:55, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay... I am thinking, the use of taxonomic nomenclature indicates that the subcategories and articles within a category should be about species/subspecies/genera/etc. The Felinae category seems to follow this, so why shouldn't Pantherinae?

I am sorry for not talking more- explaining myself is not something I'm good at, and past experiences have put me off it. And I know that I have a tendency to try and organize things. Would creating a new category such as Category:Felids and humans, and placing the categories I'm removing in that (with more organization) help? I'd like to resolve this; I am planning on sorting the Cat:Felids by region next. And doing something about the surfeit of jaguar redirects.

Again, sorry for being disruptive, rude, etc.; I am just trying to help but acknowledge that I am not very experienced. Your patient advice and warnings are appreciated.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 12:16, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Yes please! Although I suggested Category:Felids and humans with sub-cats, there is an older Category:Feliforms in popular culture, with non-felid content, so perhaps Feliforms would be the most useful level to set up. – Fayenatic London 14:53, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

One of the problems with the categorization as it is, is that it is so confusing. I went to the cat:Panthera expecting a list of species and subspecies, and found articles on all sorts of things as well. Very confusing. Ideally, it would be possible to create or move appropriate categories to cat:Felids and humans. It will take awhile though, so please be patient while I work it out, because I am sure it will be very messy for a bit.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Topic categories are not so confusing once you have browsed them for a while, and you realise that they can be useful even despite being more diverse than "pure" set categories. As for patience, OK, but if you find that things are taking even longer than you thought, please put things back where they were until you get round to creating the new more specific categories. At the moment the only place to work from (to find unlinked related articles) is your recent contributions. – Fayenatic London 19:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Huh? I have just been moving articles around- if it was in cat:Panthera, and I removed it, chances are it is now in cat:Felids and humans somewhere.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:43, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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Catagories

I noticed that you have been removing what appears to me to be legitimate categories from prehistoric cat articles. Specifically I'm curious why you're taking out the discovered in categories such as [2] this seems valid and the catagory you replaced it with does not convey the same information. I see above that you've already had an extensive discussion about this. Cheers. Crazynas ^t 17:41, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

For the series of edits you have noticed, those articles are actually redirects to other articles. When I was checking the cat:Feline stubs, I noticed a series of redirects in it. Those redirects are all invalid subspecies, that were apparently redirected to the valid subspecies without being merged. My removal of categories was an attempt to begin merging them. Also, if I understand correctly, the "Mammals described in..." categories are meant for species, not subspecies.

As for the above discussions concerning my categorization edits, that was a rather different issue(s), and was resolved successfully.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:49, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I didn't notice that small redirected from at the top of the page, my apologies. So I think if you make one edit to blank the page except for the redirect and then get what you need for the merge out of history it won't look as weird. I got here because your edits popped up on WP:STiki. And my above mention was just noting that I noticed you had talked about categories (in general, if you haven't noticed can be a touchy subject here) before. Cheers. Crazynas ^t

Oh, my. I didn't realize that my edits popped up as possible vandalism. And yes, if just looking at the diff, then the redirect is rather hard to spot.

Sorry if I came off as defensive about the above discussions. I was rather miffed that you jumped to conclusions about that, especially since that discussion ended up as much advice for a beginner, as admonition. With a successful conclusion that is still in place, no less.

Still, all's forgiven.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:57, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Category removal

Hi, in edits such as this you are removing the geographical categories from a page. Can you explain what your reasoning is for this (e.g. with links to any relevant wikiproject guidance/discussion)? DexDor ^(talk) 21:23, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I removed those geographical categories because they are already present on the species page I think; and I am meaning to expand the sandcat ssp. pages; also to merge scheffeli and harrisoni into F. m. thinobia per the latest assessment.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:31, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit: part of it is that those edits came on the tail end of a series of edits that were blanking a number of redirect pages, including removing the categories.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:45, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

December 2018

Hello, I'm Kb03. I noticed that you recently removed content from Feral cat without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Kb03 (talk) 16:41, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry. I was in the middle of something, and I am not the best at remembering to add an edit summary at the best of times. The content I removed was transferred to African wildcat (a more relevant page).--SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:43, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

New Rfc of List of cryptids

Since you participated in the rfc earlier in the year, I am letting you know of another rfc to merge List of cryptids. Which ever way the wind blows you are welcome to join in. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:54, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Binomials

Binomials are italicized, on WP as elsewhere, so this was the opposite of "cleanup". See MOS:LIFE, MOS:ITALICS, MOS:ORGANISMS. If you've removed italicized binomials from other infoboxes and {{Italic title}} from articles with similar names, that needs to be undone.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:24, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought that without a |name= parameter, the title would automatically italicize. Whoops.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:46, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Cat-egories

Hi. Please stop undoing many of the links in the cats categories, they have been stable and long-term category links and to change these would take a multi-editor discussion at one of the main cat pages. Please create a discussion if you've like at one of those and please give me a ping. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:58, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, they are stable and long-term. I do not appreciate your repeated changes to those categories, which you have been doing without editor discussion. I got consensus for how they were, please stop changing them.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 13:32, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

What consensus? Please bring it to the Cat talk page. Tigers are cats. Lions are cats. There is nothing wrong with linking the category, say 'Tigers in popular culture' with category 'Tigers'. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:57, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

I added a new section on the Cat talk page, "Category usage". Please take this discussion there. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:07, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

The consensus I obtained when I first cleaned up the various felid categories. After my clean-up, they stayed stable for quite awhile until you started trying to change them.

However, I am sorry my first reply sounds so combative/hostile. I have put a lot of effort into maintaining those categories, and your sudden changes were basically undoing my hard work.

To explain some things:

• • The category :Cats is currently more of a wastebasket category, but is generally meant for articles pertaining to domestic cats. The categories :Lions, :Tigers, etc., do not belong there.
  • The categories under :Panthera are all focused on the actual species- those are more scientific-focused. If the article pertains to the actual species, that is where it goes.
  • Anything not pertaining to the actual species goes somewhere under :Felids and humans. This is a work in progress.

I hope this helps.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:09, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Edit: The "Cat" articles talkpage is not the appropriate venue for discussing this issue.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:09, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

• It's tedious to keep reverting and discussing what, probably, seems obvious to both of us but from differing viewpoints. Cats isn't a wastebasket category, whatever that is. It is about cats. Lions, tigers, leopards, domestic cats, etc. These can be listed in both felid and cat categories to cover readers who look up either term - and most by far will be looking in the cats category for 'cats'. I've added to the Cat discussion, and asked for comments from other editors. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:22, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
  • For example. category:Lions in popular culture fits both category:Big cats in popular culture and category:Lions. How does it not fit category:Lions? Point of view I guess, but to me that seems like common sense, so please help me understand how it wouldn't fit from your point of view. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:50, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

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April 2020 Tree of Life Newsletter

April 2020—Issue 013

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Danuvius guggenmosi by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by J Milburn Neanderthal by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Homo luzonensis by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Lythronax by FunkMonk, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Ichthyovenator by PaleoGeekSquared, reviewed by FunkMonk Secretarybird by LittleJerry, Aa77zz and Casliber, reviewed by The Rambling Man James John Joicey by RLO1729, reviewed by The Rambling Man Homo naledi by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Vermilion flycatcher by CaptainEek, reviewed by HickoryOughtShirt?4 Canada lynx by Sainsf, reviewed by Dunkleosteus77 Alice Gray by Rhododendrites, reviewed by The Rambling Man Caryodendron orinocense by CPC273, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Jaguarundi by Sainsf, reviewed by Usernameunique Gigantopithecus by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by Starsandwhales Denisovan by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by Starsandwhales Disease X by Britishfinance, reviewed by DannyS712

Newly nominated content

Lythronax by FunkMonk, Lythronaxargestes and IJReid Ichthyovenator by PaleoGeekSquared Neanderthal by Dunkleosteus77 Alpine newt by Tylototriton Secretarybird by LittleJerry, Aa77zz and Casliber List of ursids by PresN Borchgrevinkium by Super Dromaeosaurus Caryodendron orinocense by CPC273 Siamosaurus by PaleoGeekSquared Canada lynx by Sainsf Vietnam mouse-deer by Sainsf Jaguarundi by Sainsf Vermilion flycatcher by CaptainEek Alice Gray by Rhododendrites Gigantopithecus by Dunkleosteus77 Paleobiota of the Posidonia Shale by Yewtharaptor Meerkat by Sainsf

News at a glance

• WikiProject Birds gained a new task force. A discussion determined that WikiProject Poultry might be more successful as a task force, with the move completed 15 April.
• Round 2 of the WikiCup wrapped up this month. Several editors moved on to Round 3 by scoring points in biodiversity-related areas, including Sainsf, Casliber, Dunkleosteus77, CaptainEek, Guettarda, and Enwebb. Dunkleosteus77 finished at the top of the Tree of Life pack with 608 points, finishing 9th overall in the round.
• After a relatively quiet February and March, with only 11 total articles nominated for GA and none for FAC, April brought a shower of nominations. In total, 5 articles were nominated for FAC, 1 for FLC, and 11 for GA.

Tree of Life's growing featured content

Inspired by a March 2020 post at WikiProject Medicine detailing the growth of Featured Articles over time, we decided to reproduce that table here, adding a second table showing the growth of Good Articles. Tree of Life articles are placed in the "Biology" category for FAs, which has seen a growth of 381% since 2008. Only two other subjects had a greater growth than Biology: Business, economics, and finance; and Warfare.

Percentage Growth in FA Categories, 2008–2019, Legend:

Considerably above average, Above average, Average

Below average , Considerably below average, Poor

Featured Article Category as of	Feb 23, 2008	Sep 16, 2008	Sep 16, 2010	Dec 1, 2011	Jan 1, 2015	Jan 1, 2020	Pct chg Feb 2008 to 2011	Pct chg Feb 2008 to 2020
Art, architecture and archaeology	65	72	117	128	175	271	97%	317%
Awards, decorations and vexillology	24	26	28	27	26	24	1.3%	0%
Biology	130	155	261	326	456	625	151%	381%
Business, economics and finance	16	19	22	44	73	116	175%	625%
Chemistry and mineralogy	29	31	34	37	40	46	28%	59%
Computing	17	17	17	18	16	14	5.9%	−18%
Culture and society	40	48	61	65	77	104B	63%	160%
Education	30	34	36	38	40	40	27%	33%
Engineering and technology	35	37	38	40	43	49	14%	40%
Food and drink	11	11	9	13	17	21B	18%	91%
Geography and places	148	158	181	185	213	232	25%	57%
Geology and geophysics	9	12	18	20	23	29	122%	222%
Health and medicine	31	36	42	43	51	52	39%	68%
History	146	154	189	201	239	308	38%	111%
Language and linguistics	17	15	13	13	12	15	−24%	−12%
Law	29	34	41	49	65	72	69%	148%
Literature and theatre	108	134	161	191	258	316B	77%	193%
Mathematics	13	14	19	17	18	18	31%	38%
Media	159	171	221	231	324	424	45%	167%
Meteorology	61	78	111	126	147	168	107%	175%
Music	153	182	232	254	331	398	66%	160%
Philosophy and psychology	12	13	12	12	12	14	0%	17%
Physics and astronomy	67	82	98	101	127	153	51%	128%
Politics and government	62	67	98	117	166	217	89%	250%
Religion, mysticism and mythology	36	44	73	84	105	121	133%	236%
Royalty, nobility and heraldry	75	90	94	108	124	173	44%	131%
Sport and recreation	119	162	268	298	365	449	150%	277%
Transport	47	74	107	128	171	213	172%	353%
Video gaming	72	96	127	137	180	222	90%	208%
Warfare	145	173	318	366	537	729	152%	403%
Total	1,906	2,239	3,046	3,417	4,431	5,695 A	79.3%	198.8%

• Note A: Total is off by one; not worth looking for the error.
• Note B Three food biographies moved [3] per discussion at WT:FAC
• Note: The very odd dates used in earlier years result from pulling old data from the talk page at WP:FAS.

Good Article Category as of	Feb 23, 2008	Sep 16, 2008	Sep 16, 2010	Dec 1, 2011	Jan 1, 2015	Jan 1, 2020	Pct chg Feb 2008 to 2011	Pct chg Feb 2008 to 2020
Agriculture, food and drink	27	34	37	55	113	226	104%	737%
Art and architecture	134	188	321	450	683	1022	236%	663%
Engineering and technology	256	396	882	1198	1828	2407	368%	840%
Geography and places	191	248	424	523	716	1052	174%	451%
History	261	312	651	825	1219	1894	216%	626%
Language and literature	173	215	377	462	686	982	167%	468%
Mathematics	19	22	27	30	36	67	58%	253%
Media and drama	403	658	1352	1300	3070	3961	223%	883%
Music	357	527	997	1437	2532	3892	303%	990%
Natural sciences	544	686	1275	1717	2404	3426	216%	530%
Philosophy and religion	134	174	244	294	365	557	119%	316%
Social sciences and society	468	549	790	998	1430	1854	113%	296%
Sports and recreation	384	546	1074	1402	2350	3802	265%	890%
Video games	168	220	373	443	684	1349	164%	703%
Warfare	155	241	989	1654	2544	3996	967%	2478%
Total	3674	5016	9813	12788	20660	30487	248%	730%
Organisms*	119	130	402	528	685	1017	344%	755%

*subset of natural sciences

Unsurprisingly, the number of GAs has increased more rapidly than the number of FAs. Organisms, which is a subcategory of Natural sciences, has seen a GA growth of 755% since 2008, besting the Natural sciences overall growth of 530%. While Warfare had far and away the most significant growth of GAs, it's a clear outlier relative to other categories.

April DYKs

Jenny

White-throated round-eared bat

Formica fusca ants tending mealybugs

• ... that the human-like behaviour of Jenny (depicted), a resident of London Zoo, reinforced Charles Darwin's view that humans were "created from animals"? (3 April)
• ... that white-throated round-eared bats (example pictured) roost in cavities in active termite mounds excavated by the males? (4 April)
• ... that flatter mires in montane regions of Europe are often dominated by deergrass and cottongrass? (5 April)
• ... that the white-browed tit-warbler has been found to practice cooperative breeding? (6 April)
• ... that most species in the palm genus Desmoncus climb using grappling hook–like structures called acanthopylls? (7 April)
• ... that some ants herd scale insects (example pictured)? (10 April)
• ... that birds, bats and humans are the main hosts of members of the bed bug family? (12 April)
• ... that the sponge Aplysina cavernicola (pictured) has been used as a model organism to monitor the presence of isotopes such as americium-241 in seawater? (16 April)
• ... that although the alpine bartsia has a wide range in Europe and North America, it is known in the British Isles only from a few locations in northern England and the central Scottish Highlands? (19 April)
• ... that the orange-band surgeonfish (pictured) can change colour from dark to light almost instantaneously? (21 April)
• ... that the parasitic greater broomrape usually grows on the roots of the common broom or the European gorse? (24 April)
• ... that the tree Macaranga triloba encourages the ants that defend it by providing them with food bodies? (25 April)
• ... that amateur entomologist James John Joicey had a collection of 1.5 million butterflies? (28 April)
• ... that the globe chamomile (pictured), a member of the daisy family native to South Africa, infests parts of Arizona and California? (28 April)
• ... that the bicoloured sedge (pictured) was part of an attempted botanical fraud? (30 April)

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  A. cavernicola
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  Orange-band surgeonfish
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  Bicoloured sedge
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  Globe chamomile blooms

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May 2020 Tree of Life Newsletter

May 2020—Issue 014

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Lythronax by FunkMonk, Lythronaxargestes and IJReid Meerkat by Sainsf, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Borchgrevinkium by Super Dromaeosaurus, reviewed by Amitchell125 Nakalipithecus by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by Gog the Mild Scanisaurus by Ichthyovenator, reviewed by Gog the Mild Sand cat by BhagyaMani, reviewed by Aven13 Pigs in culture by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Sainsf Sun bear by Sainsf, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Megacephalosaurus by Macrophyseter, reviewed by Aven13 Cinnamon red bat by Enwebb, reviewed by Dunkleosteus77 Banteng by Sainsf, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Cartorhynchus by Lythronaxargestes, reviewed by Dunkleosteus77 Black-footed cat by BhagyaMani, reviewed by Amitchell125 Homo ergaster by Ichthyovenator, reviewed by Dunkleosteus77 Black coral by Aven13, reviewed by Sainsf Heuglin's gazelle by Sainsf, reviewed by The Rambling Man Australopithecus garhi by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by Hog Farm Chororapithecus by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by IJReid Ornithocheiromorpha by JurassicClassic767, reviewed by IJReid

Newly nominated content

Gigantorhynchus by Mattximus Leech by LittleJerry, Chiswick Chap and Cwmhiraeth List of mephitids by PesN Sand cat by BhagyaMani Cinnamon red bat by Enwebb Kristianstad Basin by Ichthyovenator Nakalipithecus by Dunkleosteus77 Scanisaurus by Ichthyovenator Sun bear by Sainsf Heuglin's gazelle by Sainsf Black coral by Aven13 Australopithecus garhi by Dunkleosteus77 Chororapithecus by Dunkleosteus77 Northern crested newt by Tylototriton Megacephalosaurus by Macrophyseter Banteng by Sainsf Cartorhynchus by Lythronaxargestes Ornithocheiromorpha by JurassicClassic767 Black-footed cat by BhagyaMani Bat virome by Enwebb Echinodon by IJReid Homo ergaster by Ichthyovenator Dwarf dog-faced bat by Enwebb Doedicurus by Dunkleosteus77 Zebra by LittleJerry

News at a glance

• This month saw two Tree of Life editors gain the mop: CaptainEek (WikiProjects Birds and Plants) and Cwmhiraeth (familiar name at DYK, WikiProjects Plants, Animals, and Insects)
• The April – May GAN backlog drive finished up, clearing the queue from nearly 700 outstanding nominations to about 350.

Interview with Jts1882

This month we're joined by Jts1882, who is active in depicting evolutionary relationship of taxa via cladograms. Part of this includes responding to cladogram requests, where interested editors can have cladograms made without using the templates themselves.

How did you come to be interested in systematics? Are you interested in systematics broadly, or is there a particular group you're most fond of?

As long as I can remember I’ve been interested in nature, starting with the animals and plants in the garden, school grounds, and local wood, and then more general wildlife worldwide. An interest in how things are classified grew from this. I like things to be organised and understanding the relationships between things and systems (not just living things) is a big part of that. Biology was always my favourite subject in school and took up a disproportionate part of my time. My interest in systematics is broad as I’d like to comprehend the whole tree of life, but the cat family is my favourite group.

What's the background behind cladogram requests? I see that it isn't a very old part of the Tree of Life

Well I can’t take any credit for the cladogram requests page, although I help out there sometimes. It was created by IJReid and there are several people who have helped there more than me. I think the motivation is that creating cladograms requires a knowledge of the templates that is daunting for many editors. It was one way of helping people who want to focus on content creation.

My main contribution to the cladograms is converting the {{clade}} template to use a Lua module. The template code was extremely difficult to follow and had to be repetitive (I can only admire the efforts of those who got the thing to work in the first place). The conversion to Lua made it more efficient, allowed larger and deeper cladograms, plus facilitating the introduction of new features. The cladogram request page was recently the venue for discussion on making time calibrated cladograms, which is now possible, if not particularly user friendly.

What advice do you have for an editor who wants to learn how to make cladograms?

The same advice I would give to someone facing any computer problem, just try it out. Start by taking existing code for a cladogram and make changes yourself. The main advice would be to format it properly so indents match the brackets vertically. Of course, not everyone wants to learn and if someone prefers to focus on article content there is the cladogram request page.

Examples of cladograms Jts1882 has created, showing different proposed clades for Neoaves

Jarvis et al (2014)	Prum et al (2015)	Suh (2016) — a hard polytomy
Columbea Mirandornithes (flamingos, grebes) Columbimorphae (pigeons, mesites, sandgrouse) Passerea Otidae Otidimorphae (cuckoos, bustards, turacos) Strisores (hummingbirds, swifts, nightbirds) Gruae Opisthocomiformes (hoatzin) Gruimorphae Gruiformes (cranes, rails) Charadriiformes (shorebirds) Ardeae Aequornithes (core waterbirds) Eurypgimorphae (sunbittern, kagu, tropicbirds) Telluraves Afroaves Australaves (core landbirds)	Strisores (hummingbirds, swifts, nightbirds) Columbaves Columbimorphae (pigeons, mesites, sandgrouse) Otidimorphae (cuckoos, bustards, turacos) Gruiformes (cranes, rails) Aequorlitornithes Charadriiformes (shorebirds) Mirandornithes(flamingoes, grebes) Ardeae Aequornithes (core waterbirds) Eurypgimorphae (sunbittern, kagu, tropicbirds) (waterbirds) Inopinaves Opisthocomiformes (hoatzin) Telluraves Afroaves Australaves (core landbirds)	Columbimorphae (pigeons, mesites, sandgrouse) Otidimorphae (cuckoos, bustards, turacos) Strisores (hummingbirds, swifts, nightbirds) Opisthocomiformes (hoatzin) Gruiformes (cranes, rails) Charadriiformes (shorebirds) Mirandornithes (flamingoes, grebes) Ardeae Aequornithes (core waterbirds) Eurypgimorphae (sunbittern, kagu, tropicbirds) Telluraves Afroaves Australaves (core landbirds)

Do you have any personal projects or goals you're working towards on Wikipedia?

As I said I like organisation and systems. So I find efforts like the automated taxobox system and {{taxonbar}} appealing. I would like to see more reuse of the major phylogenetic trees on Wikipedia with more use of consensus trees on the higher taxa. Too often they get edited based on one recent report and/or without proper citation. Animals and bilateria are examples where this is a problem.

Towards this I have been working on a system of phylogeny templates that can be reused flexibly. The {{Clade transclude}} template allows selective transclusion, so the phylogenetic trees on one page can be reused with modifications, i.e. can be pruned and grafted, used with or without images, with or without collapsible elements, etc. I have an example for the Angiosperm Phylogeny Group classification (see {{Phylogeny/APG IV}}) and one for squamates that also includes collapsible elements (see {{Phylogeny/Squamata}}).

A second project is to have a modular reference system for taxonomic resources. I have made some progress along this lines with the {{BioRef}} template. This started off simply as a way of hardlinking to Catalog of Fishes pages and I’ve gradually expanded it to cover other groups (e..g. FishBase, AmphibiaWeb and Amphibian Species of the World, Reptile Database, the Mammalian Diversity Database). The modular nature is still rudimentary and needs a rewrite before it is ready for wider use.

What would surprise your fellow editors to learn about your life off-Wikipedia?

I don’t think there is anything particularly surprising or interesting about my life. I’ve had an academic career as a research scientist but I don't think anyone could guess the area from my Wikipedia edits. I prefer to work on areas where I am learning at the same time. This why I spend more time with neglected topics (e.g. mosses at the moment). I start reading and then find that I’m not getting the information I want.

Anything else you'd like us to know?

My interest in the classification of things goes beyond biology. I am fascinated by mediaeval attempts to classify knowledge, such as Bacon in his The Advancement of Learning and Diderot and d’Alembert in their Encyclopédie. They were trying to come up with a universal scheme of knowledge just as the printing press was allowing greater dissemination of knowledge.

With the internet we are seeing a new revolution in knowledge dissemination. Just look at how we could read research papers on the COVID virus within weeks of its discovery. With an open internet, everyone has access, not just those with the luxury of books at home or good libraries. Sites like the Biodiversity Heritage Library allow you to read old scientific works without having to visit dusty university library stack rooms, while the taxonomic and checklist databases provide instant information on millions of living species. In principle, the whole world can now find out about anything, even if Douglas Adams warned we might be disinclined to do so.

This is why I like Wikipedia, with all its warts, it’s a means of organising the knowledge on the internet. In just two decades it’s become a first stop for knowledge and hopefully a gateway to more specialised sources. Perhaps developing this latter aspect, beyond providing good sources for what we say, is the next challenge for Wikipedia.

May DYKs

Slender Scotch burnet moth on a flower

Northern plains gray langur

Male vermilion flycatcher

Canada lynx

Meerkats

Hilarimorphites burmanica

Sun bear

• ... that coconut mites can be dispersed by wind, or perhaps by hitching a lift? (1 May)
• ... that Neanderthals went fishing? (1 May)
• ... that the Rowridge Valley in the Isle of Wight is the only known location for the wood calamint in Britain? (1 May)
• ... that Tetraponera penzigi is one of several species of ant that protect whistling thorn trees in East Africa from grazing giraffes and rhinoceroses? (3 May)
• ... that the Vietnam mouse-deer, which had been feared to have gone extinct nearly 30 years ago, was sighted again in 2019? (4 May)
• ... that most branchiobdellids use crayfish as hosts, living on their heads, carapaces, or claws, but in some instances inside their gill cavities? (5 May)
• ... that the song of the Madagascan hoopoe differs markedly from that of the African hoopoe? (5 May)
• ... that populations of the slender Scotch burnet (pictured), a European moth that lives in dry, lime-rich areas, have been declining? (6 May)
• ... that the spinosaurid dinosaur Ichthyovenator had two sails on its back? (9 May)
• ... that the scale insect Saissetia coffeae attacks many other plants besides coffee? (9 May)
• ... that entomologist Frederick Vincent Theobald wrote a five-volume monograph and sixty scientific papers on mosquitoes? (12 May)
• ... that the northern plains gray langur monkey (example pictured) is killed in India for food and to prevent crop raiding, despite being considered sacred by Hindus? (12 May)
• ... that the leech Limnatis nilotica can affect humans and livestock, entering hosts through the mouth, nose, or other orifices? (12 May)
• ... that while the termite Pterotermes occidentis inhabits dead blue palo verde in the Sonoran Desert, Marginitermes hubbardi prefers dead saguaro? (14 May)
• ... that the tree Barteria fistulosa is associated with Tetraponera aethiops, an aggressive species of ant that lives in its hollow branches and twigs? (15 May)
• ... that Miller's langur, one of the rarest primates in Borneo, was feared to be extinct until a 2012 study rediscovered it in an area where it was previously unknown? (16 May)
• ... that most of the known Gigantopithecus fossils are of teeth because the other bones are likely to have been eaten by porcupines? (17 May)
• ... that Tetraponera tessmanni, a very aggressive ant, is able to establish dominance over the whole of the liana in which it lives, which may be 50 m (164 ft) long? (17 May)
• ... that mesophyletid weevils have only been found in Burmese amber? (18 May)
• ... that Pyrocephalus, the genus name of the vermilion flycatcher (example pictured), literally means 'fire head'? (19 May)
• ... that the male bigtooth cardinalfish broods a ball of eggs in his mouth? (20 May)
• ... that in the Australian Journal of Herpetology, a first-year student and a high school teacher reassessed the taxonomy of Australia's entire reptile class, naming 33 novel genera and 214 new species? (20 May)
• ... that the Arizona dampwood termite exclusively colonizes dead parts of standing trees? (22 May)
• ... that Megaceroides algericus is one of only two deer species known to have been native to Africa, alongside the Barbary stag? (23 May)
• ... that besides eating ants and termites, the waved woodpecker feeds on fruits, berries, and seeds? (24 May)
• ... that populations of the Canada lynx (pictured) undergo cyclic rises and falls in line with those of the snowshoe hare? (25 May)
• ... that despite being known as the Mexican hydrangea, Clerodendrum bungei is neither from Mexico nor a species of hydrangea? (25 May)
• ... that meerkats (examples pictured) use alarm calls that can identify the type of predator posing the risk, the level of danger, and the caller itself? (27 May)
• ... that the frog Boophis fayi can be identified by its unusual green-and-turquoise eyes? (30 May)
• ... that members of the fly family Apystomyiidae (example depicted) have been found in Late Jurassic sediments in Kazakhstan? (30 May)
• ... that the sun bear (pictured) is the smallest of all bear species? (31 May)

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June/July 2020 Tree of Life Newsletter

June and July 2020—Issue 015

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Canada lynx by Sainsf Gigantorhynchus by Mattximus Leech by LittleJerry, Chiswick Chap and Cwmhiraeth Orangutan by LittleJerry Secretarybird by LittleJerry, Aa77zz and Casliber Vermilion flycatcher by CaptainEek Bat virome by Enwebb, reviewed by Chidgk1 Doedicurus by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by Hog Farm Dwarf dog-faced bat by Enwebb, reviewed by Dunkleosteus77 Echinodon by IJReid, reviewed by JurassicClassic767 Edvard August Vainio by Esculenta, reviewed by ChiswickCahp Hammer-headed bat by Enwebb, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Homo rudolfensis by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by JurassicClassic767 Nina Demme by SusunW, reviewed by Enwebb Northern crested newt by Tylototriton, reviewed by Enwebb Pterodactylus by JurassicClassic767, reviewed by ChiswickCahp Zebra by LittleJerry, reviewed by Dunkleosteus77

Newly nominated content

Horseshoe bat by Enwebb Siamosaurus by PaleoGeekSquared Zebra by LittleJerry Australopithecus afarensis by Dunkleosteus77 Australopithecus africanus by Dunkleosteus77 Australopithecus bahrelghazali by Dunkleosteus77 Australopithecus deyiremeda by Dunkleosteus77 Australopithecus sediba by Dunkleosteus77 Bonelli's eagle by Sandhillcrane Great flying fox by Enwebb Homo habilis by Dunkleosteus77 Markham's storm petrel by Therapyisgood Ornithocheiridae by JurassicClassic767 Paranthropus aethiopicus by Dunkleosteus77 Paranthropus boisei by Dunkleosteus77 Paranthropus robustus by Dunkleosteus77 Tatenectes by Slate Weasel

News at a glance

• This issue is a double issue, but the plan is to return to monthly henceforth.
• A discussion at WikiProject Palaeontology about internal peer review processes led to the creation of a peer review space. In contrast to the more formal Peer Review, PalaeoPR focuses on short "fact checks", emphasizing content over style. Reviews are meant to be low commitment, with "drive-by reviews" encouraged. Since its inception on 8 July, seven articles have been submitted to PalaeoPR.
• After a highly competitive third round, two Tree of Life editors advanced to the fourth round of the WikiCup: Dunkleosteus77 and Sainsf
• A February 2020 paper published in PLOS noted that Mammalian Species is one of the most over-cited journals on Wikipedia relative to how frequently it is cited in other academic works.

Categorizing life with DexDor

DexDor is a WikiGnome with a particular interest in article categorization, including how organisms are categorized.

How did you become interested in editing biodiversity topics on Wikipedia?

I'm a wikignome who tries to remove unnecessary complexity and confusion in Wikipedia.  I specialise in categorization. I've worked on categorization of several topic areas (e.g. military equipment) - anywhere where I see things like category tags on articles that the category text doesn't support.  Categorization of organisms is one area I'm currently looking at (my essay on this).

You seem to be particularly interested in geographic categorization of organisms. What are some issues in this area?

One issue is that there are several possible relationships between an organism and a region (i.e. what the "of" in a "Xs of Y" means) - the organism may be found throughout the region, somewhere in the region, only in the region (i.e. endemic to that region) - there are categories for each of these (and others) and some categories have been unclear about their exact meaning. Then there's introductions by man, locally extinct species, occasional visitors...

Another issue is that some editors have thought it's appropriate to create categories for very small areas ("Spiders of Vatican City" is only a slight exaggeration) and put a few articles in them, thus creating a category that is both massively incomplete and non-defining for the articles in it.

There have been several (now blocked) editors who have been disruptive in this area, but a confusing and sprawling categorization scheme is also partly due to editors from a particular background categorizing a particular article in a way that appears to make sense, but doesn't really make sense in the wider categorization scheme - for example, if an article mentions the countries at the extremes of an animal's distribution, the animal is categorized just for those countries.

What potential solutions do you see for categorizing organisms by geography? How can other editors help address this issue, or at least, not make it worse?

We should have some guidelines that tell editors how to categorize any article about an organism (including any geographical categorization). I've started drafting guidelines at User:DexDor/BioCat. The guidelines are also a good way to ensure that the categorization of articles about organisms is aligned with categorization of other articles and may help us to identify where there are problems, inconsistencies etc in the categorization. I welcome suggestions for improvement of the guidelines (which should at some point be moved into WP:TOL).

Regarding geographical categorization of animals the main advice for editors would be to not create categories for any new areas and to only create a new category if you intend to populate it.

What have you learned from being a Wikipedia editor?

That lots of people (from varied backgrounds) each making (mostly) small improvements (like ants in an ants nest?) and only understanding some parts of Wikipedia can produce such a wonderful resource. But also, how that tends to result in ever-increasing complexity which negatively affects editors and readers.

Is there anything about your life outside Wikipedia that would surprise us?

Not sure - I'm a member of a band.

June DYKs

Blue calamintha bee

Culture of S. aureus

Ambay pumpwood

Heuglin's gazelle

Gold-striped frog

• ... that despite being a member of the cat family, the jaguarundi has several features in common with mustelids such as otters and weasels? (2 June)
• ... that scientists were unsure whether the blue calamintha bee (pictured) still existed until it was observed again in March 2020? (2 June)
• ... that many of the animals regarded as pests have co-evolved with humans, adapting to the warm, sheltered conditions that a building provides? (3 June)
• ... that the banteng is the second endangered species to be successfully cloned, and the first clone to survive beyond infancy? (5 June)
• ... that the colonial morphology of Staphylococcus species (culture pictured) is described as "creamy"? (5 June)
• ... that ant gardens are cultivated by several species of ant, including Crematogaster carinata? (6 June)
• ... that the presence of the beetle Coelomera ruficornis on its host tree (pictured) is tolerated by the ant Azteca alfari, but not by the ant Azteca muelleri? (8 June)
• ... that cattle and deer sometimes stand under trees where southern plains gray langurs are feeding in order to consume the edible pieces that the monkeys drop? (10 June)
• ... that Singaporean authorities hope that the Mandai Wildlife Bridge will reduce the risk of animals such as Sunda pangolins and leopard cats becoming roadkill? (13 June)
• ... that the gold-striped frog (pictured) sometimes breeds inside an active nest of leafcutter ants? (13 June)
• ... that Heuglin's gazelle (illustrated), reportedly last seen in Eritrea over a century earlier during Italian colonial rule, was sighted again in the country last year? (12 June)
• ... that Siamosaurus, a large bipedal carnivore from the Early Cretaceous of Thailand, is the first crocodilian-like dinosaur named from Asia? (14 June)
• ... that Homo ergaster may have been the first species of archaic humans to control fire? (14 June)
• ... that the small frog Cochranella nola has yellow intestines, a green tongue, and dark green bones? (16 June)
• ... that Nigel, nicknamed "the world's loneliest gannet" (species pictured), attempted to mate with a concrete decoy bird on Mana Island, New Zealand? (17 June)
• ... that the male giant glass frog has a hooked spur on his upper arm which is used when fighting rivals? (19 June)
• ... that vestigial organs in the Brazilian Callichirus major population (example species pictured) suggest Callichirus may be the only crustacean genus with basal, yet not universal, hermaphroditism? (20 June)
• ... that Megacephalosaurus was one of the last known pliosaurs and coexisted with some of the earliest mosasaurs? (21 June)
• ... that when boiled in milk, black coral (example pictured) emits a faint scent of myrrh? (21 June)
• ... that one of the factors affecting the future of the Huanchaca mouse is the increased cultivation of biofuels? (22 June)
• ... that the Strawberries and Cream Tree (pictured) is noted for producing pink blossoms on one side of the tree and white on the other, when it blooms every spring? (23 June)
• ... that the Chilean seaside cinclodes bobs its tail while it walks and flares its wings while it sings? (24 June)
• ... that Boie's frog (pictured) and the Banhado frog both resemble dead leaves on the floor of the forest? (25 June)
• ... that the extinct sumac species Rhus republicensis is named for Republic, Washington? (30 June)

• 
  Australasian gannet
• 
  C. brasiliensis, a species
  in the C. major complex
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  Deep-sea Antipathes dendrochristos
• 
  Strawberries and Cream Tree
  in full bloom in April 2020
• 
  Boie's frog

July DYKs

Amazon parrot

Life reconstruction of Pterodactylus antiquus

• ... that the Newland Oak in Gloucestershire took "200 years to grow, 200 years to exist, and 200 to die"? (2 July)
• ... that the hollow trunk of Queen Elizabeth's Oak was used as a prison? (4 July)
• ... that Markham's storm petrel, which nests in Peru and northern Chile, has been described as "one of the least known seabirds in the world"? (7 July)
• ... that the Asian freshwater leech Barbronia weberi has invaded North Carolina? (11 July)
• ... that a large, elderly, "decently behaved" Russian brown bear once lived in the Leeds suburb of Headingley? (12 July)
• ... that the female Andes marsupial frog carries her developing young in a pouch on her back? (14 July)
• ... that the Amazon parrot (depicted) was implicated as a source of the great parrot fever pandemic of 1929–30, in which more than 100 people died? (17 July)
• ... that the frog Corythomantis greeningi retreats into a hole, blocks the entrance with its spiny head, and injects venom into anything that tries to dislodge it? (18 July)
• ... that the reef box crab uses its powerful pincers to break open the shells of snails? (21 July)
• ... that carnivorous wildlife of North Macedonia as small as the Balkan lynx have been reported to attack not just livestock, but humans too? (22 July)
• ... that the sea slug Discodoris boholiensis exhibits photokinesis? (22 July)
• ... that the genus Pterodactylus (species depicted), the scientific name for a pterodactyl, had been considered a "wastebasket taxon" as many species were assigned to it and later reassigned? (23 July)
• ... that the sea urchin Abatus cordatus broods its young for nine months in pockets on its upper surface? (24 July)
• ... that Harold Clyde Bingham trailed a troop of gorillas for 100 hours in 1929? (25 July)
• ... that the sea urchin Goniocidaris umbraculum moves its eggs with its tube feet, assisted by cilia, to an area near its mouth where they can be brooded? (27 July)

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August 2020 Tree of Life Newsletter

September 2021—Issue 016

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Horseshoe bat by Enwebb Siamosaurus by PaleoGeekSquared Australopithecus sediba by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Homo habilis by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by Enwebb Tatenectes by Slate Weasel, reviewed by FunkMonk

Newly nominated content

Black-and-red broadbill by AryKun Turtle by LittleJerry Symphyotrichum lateriflorum by Eewilson Dracophyllum fiordense by Dracophyllum Scarlet-and-white tanager by AryKun Viatkogorgon by FunkMonk Punctelia borreri by Esculenta Chivi vireo by AryKun Mountain kingfisher by AryKun Kererū by Ambrosia10

Hoax taxon sniffed out after nearly fifteen years

Cross posted from the Signpost

The jackalope, a close relative of Mustelodon

On August 7, WikiProject Palaeontology member Rextron discovered a suspicious taxon article, Mustelodon, which was created in November 2005. The article lacked references and the subsequent discussion on WikiProject Palaeontology found that the alleged type locality (where the fossil was first discovered) of Lago Nandarajo "near the northern border of Panama" was nonexistent. In fact, Panama does not even really have a northern border, as it is bounded along the north by the Caribbean Sea. No other publications or databases mentioned Mustelodon, save a fleeting mention in a 2019 book that presumably followed Wikipedia, Felines of the World.

The article also appeared in four other languages, Catalan, Spanish, Dutch, and Serbian. In Serbian Wikipedia, a note at the bottom of the page warned: "It is important to note here that there is no data on this genus in the official scientific literature, and all attached data on the genus Mustelodon on this page are taken from the English Wikipedia and are the only known data on this genus of mammals, so the validity of this genus is questionable."

Editors took action to alert our counterparts on other projects, and these versions were removed also. As the editor who reached out to Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia, it was somewhat challenging to navigate these mostly foreign languages (I have a limited grasp of Spanish). I doubted that the article had very many watchers, so I knew I had to find some WikiProjects where I could post a machine translation advising of the hoax, and asking that users follow local protocols to remove the article. I was surprised to find, however, that Catalan Wikipedia does not tag articles for WikiProjects on talk pages, meaning I had to fumble around to find what I needed (turns out that WikiProjects are Viquiprojectes in Catalan!) Mustelodon remains on Wikidata, where its "instance of" property was swapped from "taxon" to "fictional taxon".

How did this article have such a long lifespan? Early intervention is critical for removing hoaxes. A 2016 report found that a hoax article that survives its first day has an 18% chance of lasting a year. Additionally, hoax articles tend to have longer lifespans if they are in inconspicuous parts of Wikipedia, where they do not receive many views. Mustelodon was only viewed a couple times a day, on average.

Mustelodon survived a brush with death three years into its lifespan. The article was proposed for deletion in September 2008, with a deletion rationale of "No references given; cannot find any evidence in peer-reviewed journals that this alleged genus actually exists". Unfortunately, the proposed deletion was contested and the template removed, though the declining editor did not give a rationale. Upon its rediscovery in August 2020, Mustelodon was tagged for speedy deletion under CSD G3 as a "blatant hoax". This was challenged, and an Articles for Deletion discussion followed. On 12 August, the AfD was closed as a SNOW delete. WikiProject Palaeontology members ensured that any trace of it was scrubbed from legitimate articles. The fictional mammal was finally, truly extinct.

At the ripe old age of 14 years, 9 months, this is the longest-lived documented hoax on Wikipedia, topping the previous documented record of 14 years, 5 months, set by The Gates of Saturn, a fictitious television show, which was incidentally also discovered in August 2020. How do we discover other hoax taxa? Could we use Wikidata to discover taxa are not linked to databases like ITIS, Fossilworks, and others?

Spotlight with Mattximus

Apororhynchus hemignathi, a spiny-headed worm with the distinction of being one of the first named animal taxa when organized alphabetically

This month's spotlight is with Mattximus, author of two Featured Articles and 29 Featured Lists at current count.

How did you become involved with editing biodiversity articles?

I think I have a compulsion to make lists, it doesn't show up in my real life, but online I secretly get a lot of satisfaction making orderly lists and tables. It's a bit of a secret of mine, because it doesn't manifest in any other part of my life. My background is in biology, so this was a natural (haha) fit.

You have an impressive number of FAs under your belt. Two of your more recent ones, Apororhynchus and Gigantorhynchus, are part of what you referred to as an "experiment". How did you choose these articles, and what's next for you in this experiment?

This experiment was just to see if I could get any random article to FA status, so I picked the very first alphabetical animal species according to the taxonomy and made that attempt. Technically, there isn't enough information for a species page so I just merged the species into a genus and went from there. It was a fun exercise, but doing it alone is not the most fun so it's probably on pause for the foreseeable future.

Note: Aporhynchus is the first alphabetical taxon as follows: Animalia, Acanthocephala, Archiacanthocephala, Apororhynchida, Apororhynchidae, Apororhynchus

What advice would you give to someone who wants to nominate their first FAC?

I would recommend getting a good article nominated, then a featured list up before tackling the FA. Lists are a bit more forgiving but give you a taste of what standards to expect from FA. The most time consuming thing is proper citations so make sure that is in order before starting either.

Is there anything that would surprise us to learn about your life off-Wikipedia?

My personality in real life does not match my wikipedia persona. I'm not a very organized, or orderly in real life, but the wikipedia pages I brought to FL or FA are all very organized. Maybe it's my outlet for a more free-flowing life as a scientist/teacher.

Anything else you'd like us to know?

The fact that wikipedia exists free of profit motive and free for everyone really is something special and I encourage everyone to donate a few dollars to the cause.

August DYKs

Woolly thistle

Life reconstruction of Ankylorhiza tiedemani

Female cicada laying eggs

Acampe rigida

• ... that in the Brazilian state of Bahia, cerrado mice are often caught by barn owls, but seldom by researchers? (1 August)
• ... that ornithologist Corina Newsome and herpetologist Earyn McGee held events as part of the inaugural Black Birders Week, an effort to highlight the challenges faced by Black nature enthusiasts? (5 August)
• ... that the flower buds of the woolly thistle (pictured) can be eaten in a similar way to artichokes? (8 August)
• ... that the French peanut is native to Brazil? (10 August)
• ... that the 800-year-old Minchenden Oak is one of the oldest trees in London? (14 August)
• ... that the forward-facing incisors of the extinct dolphin Ankylorhiza (restoration pictured) may have been used for ramming their prey, similar to a hunting method used by modern orcas? (16 August)
• ... that scientists accidentally created a hybrid of two endangered fish species, called the sturddlefish? (17 August)
• ... that despite having the widest distribution in the United States, the arid-land subterranean termite causes less structural damage than other members of its genus? (19 August)
• ... that the Eocene leaf species Tetracentron hopkinsii was not confirmed from Washington state until 2018? (19 August)
• ... that Helen Ballard was a hellebore horticulturist? (22 August)
• ... that in 2021, the dwarf periodical cicada (pictured) is due to emerge in parts of eastern North America, not having been seen for 17 years? (24 August)
• ... that the fossil sumac Rhus boothillensis is named for a public fossil digging site in Republic, Washington? (25 August)
• ... that the orchid Acampe rigida (pictured) is pollinated by raindrops? (28 August)
• ... that fossils identified as Pentacentron sternhartae may actually be the fruits of another fossil species? (29 August)
• ... that American naturalist William Harvey Brown, who went to Africa to collect specimens, ended up fighting in two wars there? (30 August)
• ... that the rosy spindle cowry, a species of sea snail, lives exclusively on gorgonians? (30 August)

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September 2021—Issue 016

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Hoax taxon sniffed out after nearly fifteen years

Cross posted from the Signpost

The jackalope, a close relative of Mustelodon

On August 7, WikiProject Palaeontology member Rextron discovered a suspicious taxon article, Mustelodon, which was created in November 2005. The article lacked references and the subsequent discussion on WikiProject Palaeontology found that the alleged type locality (where the fossil was first discovered) of Lago Nandarajo "near the northern border of Panama" was nonexistent. In fact, Panama does not even really have a northern border, as it is bounded along the north by the Caribbean Sea. No other publications or databases mentioned Mustelodon, save a fleeting mention in a 2019 book that presumably followed Wikipedia, Felines of the World.

The article also appeared in four other languages, Catalan, Spanish, Dutch, and Serbian. In Serbian Wikipedia, a note at the bottom of the page warned: "It is important to note here that there is no data on this genus in the official scientific literature, and all attached data on the genus Mustelodon on this page are taken from the English Wikipedia and are the only known data on this genus of mammals, so the validity of this genus is questionable."

Editors took action to alert our counterparts on other projects, and these versions were removed also. As the editor who reached out to Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia, it was somewhat challenging to navigate these mostly foreign languages (I have a limited grasp of Spanish). I doubted that the article had very many watchers, so I knew I had to find some WikiProjects where I could post a machine translation advising of the hoax, and asking that users follow local protocols to remove the article. I was surprised to find, however, that Catalan Wikipedia does not tag articles for WikiProjects on talk pages, meaning I had to fumble around to find what I needed (turns out that WikiProjects are Viquiprojectes in Catalan!) Mustelodon remains on Wikidata, where its "instance of" property was swapped from "taxon" to "fictional taxon".

How did this article have such a long lifespan? Early intervention is critical for removing hoaxes. A 2016 report found that a hoax article that survives its first day has an 18% chance of lasting a year. Additionally, hoax articles tend to have longer lifespans if they are in inconspicuous parts of Wikipedia, where they do not receive many views. Mustelodon was only viewed a couple times a day, on average.

Mustelodon survived a brush with death three years into its lifespan. The article was proposed for deletion in September 2008, with a deletion rationale of "No references given; cannot find any evidence in peer-reviewed journals that this alleged genus actually exists". Unfortunately, the proposed deletion was contested and the template removed, though the declining editor did not give a rationale. Upon its rediscovery in August 2020, Mustelodon was tagged for speedy deletion under CSD G3 as a "blatant hoax". This was challenged, and an Articles for Deletion discussion followed. On 12 August, the AfD was closed as a SNOW delete. WikiProject Palaeontology members ensured that any trace of it was scrubbed from legitimate articles. The fictional mammal was finally, truly extinct.

At the ripe old age of 14 years, 9 months, this is the longest-lived documented hoax on Wikipedia, topping the previous documented record of 14 years, 5 months, set by The Gates of Saturn, a fictitious television show, which was incidentally also discovered in August 2020. How do we discover other hoax taxa? Could we use Wikidata to discover taxa are not linked to databases like ITIS, Fossilworks, and others?

Spotlight with Mattximus

Apororhynchus hemignathi, a spiny-headed worm with the distinction of being one of the first named animal taxa when organized alphabetically

This month's spotlight is with Mattximus, author of two Featured Articles and 29 Featured Lists at current count.

How did you become involved with editing biodiversity articles?

I think I have a compulsion to make lists, it doesn't show up in my real life, but online I secretly get a lot of satisfaction making orderly lists and tables. It's a bit of a secret of mine, because it doesn't manifest in any other part of my life. My background is in biology, so this was a natural (haha) fit.

You have an impressive number of FAs under your belt. Two of your more recent ones, Apororhynchus and Gigantorhynchus, are part of what you referred to as an "experiment". How did you choose these articles, and what's next for you in this experiment?

This experiment was just to see if I could get any random article to FA status, so I picked the very first alphabetical animal species according to the taxonomy and made that attempt. Technically, there isn't enough information for a species page so I just merged the species into a genus and went from there. It was a fun exercise, but doing it alone is not the most fun so it's probably on pause for the foreseeable future.

Note: Aporhynchus is the first alphabetical taxon as follows: Animalia, Acanthocephala, Archiacanthocephala, Apororhynchida, Apororhynchidae, Apororhynchus

What advice would you give to someone who wants to nominate their first FAC?

I would recommend getting a good article nominated, then a featured list up before tackling the FA. Lists are a bit more forgiving but give you a taste of what standards to expect from FA. The most time consuming thing is proper citations so make sure that is in order before starting either.

Is there anything that would surprise us to learn about your life off-Wikipedia?

My personality in real life does not match my wikipedia persona. I'm not a very organized, or orderly in real life, but the wikipedia pages I brought to FL or FA are all very organized. Maybe it's my outlet for a more free-flowing life as a scientist/teacher.

Anything else you'd like us to know?

The fact that wikipedia exists free of profit motive and free for everyone really is something special and I encourage everyone to donate a few dollars to the cause.

August DYKs

Woolly thistle

Life reconstruction of Ankylorhiza tiedemani

Female cicada laying eggs

Acampe rigida

• ... that in the Brazilian state of Bahia, cerrado mice are often caught by barn owls, but seldom by researchers? (1 August)
• ... that ornithologist Corina Newsome and herpetologist Earyn McGee held events as part of the inaugural Black Birders Week, an effort to highlight the challenges faced by Black nature enthusiasts? (5 August)
• ... that the flower buds of the woolly thistle (pictured) can be eaten in a similar way to artichokes? (8 August)
• ... that the French peanut is native to Brazil? (10 August)
• ... that the 800-year-old Minchenden Oak is one of the oldest trees in London? (14 August)
• ... that the forward-facing incisors of the extinct dolphin Ankylorhiza (restoration pictured) may have been used for ramming their prey, similar to a hunting method used by modern orcas? (16 August)
• ... that scientists accidentally created a hybrid of two endangered fish species, called the sturddlefish? (17 August)
• ... that despite having the widest distribution in the United States, the arid-land subterranean termite causes less structural damage than other members of its genus? (19 August)
• ... that the Eocene leaf species Tetracentron hopkinsii was not confirmed from Washington state until 2018? (19 August)
• ... that Helen Ballard was a hellebore horticulturist? (22 August)
• ... that in 2021, the dwarf periodical cicada (pictured) is due to emerge in parts of eastern North America, not having been seen for 17 years? (24 August)
• ... that the fossil sumac Rhus boothillensis is named for a public fossil digging site in Republic, Washington? (25 August)
• ... that the orchid Acampe rigida (pictured) is pollinated by raindrops? (28 August)
• ... that fossils identified as Pentacentron sternhartae may actually be the fruits of another fossil species? (29 August)
• ... that American naturalist William Harvey Brown, who went to Africa to collect specimens, ended up fighting in two wars there? (30 August)
• ... that the rosy spindle cowry, a species of sea snail, lives exclusively on gorgonians? (30 August)

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Speedy deletion nomination of (Conothoa)

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Let it be known that I fully agree with this as that was a complete mistake on my part.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:46, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Big Cats

Hey, so this cats: caracal, serval, clouded leopard, Sunda clouded leopard and all the lynx are big enough to be considered a big cat, why dont you add them???? Sorry for bad english. Rogerio980Pizza (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Actually, they are not considered big cats; that term is reserved for the Panthera species, the cougar, and the cheetah. Please stop making disruptive edits.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:29, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

But they are big enough, can you just put that think that i added: A more liberal and expansive definition of the term includes species outside of Panthera including the caracal, serval, clouded leopard, Sunda clouded leopard, and sometimes the several lynx species, although these added species also do not roar. Just to remind people, please. Rogerio980Pizza (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Given that several of those species are, in fact, small enough to breed with domestic cats, no, they did not count as big cats. Additionally I, having researched felids extensively, have never seen the term applied to them by a reliable source, which your reference is not.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

This channel of big cats says that the lynx, caracal and serval are big cats. I thought it was official because the channel is too famous. And, the eurasian lynx, the canada lynx, bobcat, caracal and serval are actually big compared to normal cats, they really are big cats. Rogerio980Pizza (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Please see WP:RS, and to be honest, I am not really the best person to explain this. That said, the vast majority of websites and youtubes channels are not considered reliable sources for the purpose of Wikipedia. And again, several of those species are not that large; the serval, caracal, and bobcat, off the top of my head, have all successfully bred with domestic house cats. Also, it is considered good etiquette to sign your posts by putting four tildes (~) after it. SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

ok, i will leave just a note on the page at least about this cats. Rogerio980Pizza (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

hi SilverTiger12, i notice you have been removing the cats wikiproject from a large number of fictional cat/book talkpages! the thing is, the scope of that project is "This project deals with the creation and editing of articles related to cats, including both real and fictional cats." so just wondering what your reasoning for this is?

Coolabahapple (talk) 00:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I explained most of this in an update on the WikiProject's talk page (under the Major Update subsection), but to reiterate: many of those articles can be better covered by different WikiProjects, do not really have much to do with cats as real animals, and only bog down an already small WikiProject. Basically, if it doesn't easily relate to actual cats, I'm removing it. That said, I did bring it up for discussion at the WikiProject talk page in hopes of getting actual consensus rather than just what I think. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 00:13, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I basically agree that the scope of the WikiProject Cats should be real cats, both wild species and breeds, but excluding fictional ones. Latter is the scope of a WikiProject Arts -- BhagyaMani (talk) 06:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the support, although I ask that you voice it at the section I opened to discuss. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 06:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I just did. I came here for sth. else and saw above comm. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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Help with Freshpet?

Thank you for your thorough review of Talk:Freshpet#Request Edits February 12 2021. I know there were a lot of requests! Do you happen to have time to finish up? #8, #9, #10 of the requests which remain unreviewed. Also, could you consider the following:

Please delete the flag on top of the article, above the infobo - Advert|date=February 2021

'Explanation: promotional content has been removed as a result of these Request Edits. The article is now significantly shorter and neutral.

I posted this on the Talk page for the article as well, so it would be public for everyone, but wanted to reach out to you here as well.

Thank you! NJ0220 (talk) 19:45, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

You are welcome. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 20:32, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Complaint about edit warrior

I filed a complaint at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Edit_warring_on_Panthera_pardus_tulliana against this idiot. You might want to defend your case when the admins come around. Ddum5347 (talk) 03:12, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification, I was getting tired of sitting on the article... luckily, that kind of behavior is indefensible and unacceptable so I hope it will end soon. Although meatpuppetry and/or sockpuppetry might be a concern. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 03:27, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, let's hope he doesn't come through with that promise. Ddum5347 (talk) 03:31, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

SilverTiger12, as a warning, you should familiarise yourself with the WP:3RR. If you go past 3 reverts on a single page within a 24 hour period you risk being blocked. Just because the other guy is wrong and also edit warring doesn't give you the right to edit war. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Bornean ferret badger article

I just wanted to thank you for your contributions to and suggestions for this article. - Ghost1590 (talk) 14:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Deprodding of Tjololo

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I'd noticed the de-prodding already and felt his "explanation" was inadequate, but I'm not sure I have the energy or know-how to take it to AfD. Thank you for taking the time to tell me, though. Happy editing, --SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:14, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Leptofelis

Hi. I see you reverted my change regarding speciesbox. Per Template:speciesbox#Monspecific_genera, speciesbox should be used over automatic taxobox in cases with monotypic species, which appears to be the case here. Porqaz (talk) 02:22, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks

For being a voice of reason on that talk page. I have described the article as the worst article on Wikipedia for five years, and I'm aware of what a pain it is to deal with. Honestly, I think it should be deleted since it's basically just speculation and synthesis of sourcing, but if there are people who are willing to work on making it less bad, I'm fine with that as well for now :) An AfD would be a pain and would be easier to deal with once all the sources have been cleaned up anyway. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:49, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I've tried cleaning parts of it, but it somehow never gets much better. Thanks for cleaning up the opinions section, though. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 23:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Response

I really do not know who is that guy your talking about, i would appreciate if you gave me more info of him. "This isn't the place to debate the supposed naturalness of ligers". I was asking to debate n my page. And am not asking weather their natural or not, am ask if its fine for them to exist considering that Humans breed with Neanderthals and the fact that the eastern coyote was the result f crossbreeding between Coyotes and Wolfs. Panthera hybrids are no different as in all three cases its between species of the same genus. And you have to remember that natural\unnatural=\=good or bad. I suppose yo shouldn't brush your teeth as that's unnatural, right? And at some point ligers possibly did happen:https://markgelbart.wordpress.com/tag/tiger-x-snow-leopard-hybrid/ .People also thought that Brown bear and Polar Bear hybrids where unnatural as they did no happened in the wild, and look now, there are starting to hybridize. Not to mention there is evidence that lions crossbreed with snow leopards, who are closely related to tigers. "and sterility is in fact considered unhealthy" the fact that its considered doe snot mean its true. Also, female ligers are always fertile, male usually are sterile but their is a small percentage for them to be fertile. There was the case of a fertile mule in Texas. And ive seen lots of male sterile Ligers that appear to be fine. And the reason why am making this debate is so people can get the right information so we can make sure the page does not misinform the viewer. I've tried to change the page multiple times so i could present the correct information but it appears that unless i can convince them otherwise, Wikipedians wont let me make the changes. Many Wikipedians are so biased towards reading articles that they never question if the articles in question are factually correct or if they contain outdated information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 56FireLeafs (talk • contribs) 05:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

The sth. else

You may have noticed that a novice editor added refs as WP:BAREURLS to pages. S/he's been doing this to other pages not about cats as well, despite multiple calls to learn to WP:CITEHOW and in disregard of the quality ratings of those pages. Would you please help to keep especially FA and GA rated pages free of bare urls ? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Certainly. I have all the cat species, subspecies, and other taxa up to family on my watchlist and I check that frequently. I'm generally busy but reverts aren't that difficult. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 07:09, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!! S/he's so stubbornly resisting to learn that I wonder which language s/he understands. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:42, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

S/he also added erroneous statements that you may have seen, which I reverted. So I think, we need to carefully check their additions to pages, as not all may be trustworthy. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Come on guys, don't talk behind my back, that's no fun :( Instead, tell me directly, like adults! :^) Ddum5347 (talk) 15:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I tried to, but alas, you didn't care and re-added false claims. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 15:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

(outdent) If you'd remember to cite correctly and not add false statements, there wouldn't be a problem. Also, BhagyaMani, it looks like our persistent friend is back at Big cat- I just undid yet another edit of theirs that was basically identical to the previous ones. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:43, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

O, I removed this page from my watchlist a couple of months ago. Imo, this is such an odd compilation of statements that I rather contribute to pages that have been on my watchlist for yeeears. But if you think that I can help, do let me know, and I will if time allows. I'll have a look now. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 17:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree, the term "Big cat" is such an odd, paraphyletic grouping that it doesn't really make much sense, but it is also a popular term, so I mostly keep it on my watchlist to prevent vandalism. The notice is just so you're aware if they go back to the other cat articles they were so insistent were big cats. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I re-added the page to my watchlist and will revert this kid's stubborn silly additions, if needed. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 18:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Actually, Ddum5347, a lot of your most recent edits to the cat species seem mostly constructive. Therefore, I recommend a period of sticking to fixing mistakes while you figure out how to correctly add cited information. People forget that WikiGnoming is important too.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Good advice !! -- BhagyaMani (talk) 17:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

All the edits I make are in good conscience. I never vandalise. If you have a problem with them, then talk to me about it directly. And you say you're not stalking me lol Ddum5347 (talk) 19:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

None of us accused you of vandalising. And I did address you directly in several edit summaries. Re stalking: don't you worry, I have many pages on my watchlist long before you decided to pass by them. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 20:16, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Do you also see the block logs on your watchlist ? The first that the guy is blocked for 31 hours, and the 2nd that block is extended to 2 weeks after review. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 22:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed. I am kind of realized given the sheer number of edits they did - my watchlist just has the cats and it seemed like half the edits showing up were theirs. Really rather exhausting, honestly. At this point, I'm not sure if they shouldn't just be blocked permanently. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 00:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

In the past 10 years, I did not have as many revert alerts in such short intervals as by them. And not only on cat pages: they also reverted lots of edits by other users. I learned counting to 4 in pre-school, and you? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I also learned how to count to 4 in pre-school, like most people. From what I can tell is they're rapid-fire editing all across the animal pages. I just hope that this issue resolves itself soon, but I doubt it will be a peaceful resolution.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 08:08, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Well yes, they are quite a high flyer, but nowhere added content with care for appropriate source. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey: hope you are well!! Once you have time, please comment at the Bengal tiger RfC by a new kid on the block. S/he has <10 edits on the page itself, all withOUT adding a new reference, but > a dozen edits on talk page + ~dozen on my talk page about Bengal tiger + 36 edits at ANI complaining about me re same tiger. You and I and lots of others I know would rather use 60 edits for contributing sth. useful, won't we? Cheers – BhagyaMani (talk) 08:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Leopard edits

Refer to [4] for discussion. BhagyaMani has not reverted so I assume they take no issue with my edits either. Groovehx (talk) 16:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

On no other page did anyone think it necessary to place an int link to a continent on which a part of a country is located. Or would you e.g. write Peru in South America ? – BhagyaMani (talk) 18:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I believe it was especially notable in this case, since Southern Russia is the only region in Europe with wild leopards. I don't appreciate the condescending tone. Groovehx (talk) 15:57, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@BhagyaMani and SilverTiger12: As a note, it appears Groovehx is a sockpuppet of Ddum5347‎, see the open investigation.--Kevmin § 20:35, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Kevmin !! Am not really surprised, as I also noticed the similarity of their edits, in particular insistence on adding int links to Europe on this and another page. – BhagyaMani (talk) 20:45, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@SilverTiger12, Kevmin, and BhagyaMani: Hi there. So sorry for abruptly joining your discussion this way. I came across this talk page by way of a tool used in the aforementioned investigation. Since you've all interacted with Groovehx, I wanted to bring to your attention that there is a "Comments by other users" section there for you to present evidence if you'd like to do so, whether that's to further confirm any suspicion or discredit it. Thank you! KyleJoan^talk 01:30, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

You do NOT need to be sorry!! It took me a while to collate these diffs: Groovehx's first edits on the leopard page, next and again reminded me of Ddum5347's insistence on keeping the same int link at the same page in May 2021. And while I was still pondering over coincidence, the sockpuppetry was confirmed and case closed. – BhagyaMani (talk) 09:49, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, although to be honest I only really noticed the disruption he cause on Panthera pardus tulliana this time around, and that article is a trouble magnet. It seems the investigation went swiftly, though. Happy editing, --SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:24, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Tree of Life Newsletter – 018

February 2022—Issue 018

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Black-and-yellow broadbill by AryKun Papuan mountain pigeon by AryKun List of leporids by PresN Algerian nuthatch by 2001:4455:364:A800:C13C:8A64:1CEF:F186, reviewed by AryKun Jungle bush quail by AryKun, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Lycorma imperialis by Etriusus, reviewed by Ealdgyth Harry Allan by Dracophyllum, reviewed by Esculenta Banded bullfrog by DanCherek, reviewed by GhostRiver

Newly nominated content

Queen angelfish by LittleJerry Red panda by LittleJerry and BhagyaMani List of lagomorphs by PresN Corsican nuthatch by 2001:4455:364:A800:39A6:A5D8:C903:5E1D Firefly by Chiswick Chap Mountain pigeon by AryKun Bonacynodon by Trilletrollet Golden eagle by Vaco98

News at a glance

• A competitive first round of the Wikicup ends, with eight TOL editors moving into the second round: AryKun, GhostRiver, Ealdgyth, Wretchskull, Charlesjsharp, Dracophyllum, Guettarda, and Casliber.

February DYKs

Dudleya cymosa subsp. pumila

A Golden Retriever retrieving a shot game bird

Rhododendrons at Sheringham Park

Seagrass in La Ciotat, France

• ... that Ozzie was the first gorilla to take his own blood pressure voluntarily? (February 1)
• ... that the Sonoran blue butterfly uses Dudleya cymosa subsp. pumila (pictured) as a larval foodplant and hummingbirds feed on its nectar? (February 2)
• ... that the spotted lanternfly has been used in traditional Chinese medicine to treat swelling since the 1100s? (February 2)
• ... that all Golden Retrievers (example pictured) descend from a golden-coloured Flat-coated Retriever named Nous and a Tweed Water Spaniel named Belle? (February 4)
• ... that Fagus langevinii is considered to be the oldest extinct species of beech tree? (February 5)
• ... that the white-headed fruit dove (Ptilinopus eugeniae) was named after Eugénie de Montijo, Empress of the French? (February 5)
• ... that Coleman's melibe is said to look like a "string of snot in the water"? (February 6)
• ... that Mini ature is the largest frog in its genus? (February 7)
• ... that the New Zealand stonefly Stenoperla prasina was the five millionth specimen digitised by the Natural History Museum in London? (February 8)
• ... that Wallace's fruit dove has been described as being one of the most beautiful fruit doves? (February 9)
• ... that the woodland garden (example pictured), "colourfully planted with exotic shrubs and herbaceous plants, dominated English horticulture from 1910 to 1960"? (February 17)
• ... that seas are being rewilded with seagrass (example pictured)? (February 17)
• ... that Potamophylax coronavirus's range has been described as a battlefield between scientists and hydropower plant management? (February 23)
• ... that the genus Xochiquetzallia was named after the Aztec goddess of flowers? (February 26)
• ... that despite being nicknamed a "lanternbug", Lycorma imperialis does not actually emit any light? (February 28)
• ... that although it is a bird of prey, the white-fronted falconet is only 14 to 17 cm (5.5 to 6.7 in) long and mainly feeds on insects? (February 28)

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In response to you undoing my edits, I really do not know who is that guy your talking about, i would appreciate if you gave me more info of him. "This isn't the place to debate the supposed naturalness of ligers". I was asking to debate n my page. And am not asking weather their natural or not, am ask if its fine for them to exist considering that Humans breed with Neanderthals and the fact that the eastern coyote was the result f crossbreeding between Coyotes and Wolfs. Panthera hybrids are no different as in all three cases its between species of the same genus. And you have to remember that natural\unnatural=\=good or bad. I suppose yo shouldn't brush your teeth as that's unnatural, right? And at some point ligers possibly did happen:https://markgelbart.wordpress.com/tag/tiger-x-snow-leopard-hybrid/ .People also thought that Brown bear and Polar Bear hybrids where unnatural as they did no happened in the wild, and look now, there are starting to hybridize. Not to mention there is evidence that lions crossbreed with snow leopards, who are closely related to tigers. "and sterility is in fact considered unhealthy" the fact that its considered doe snot mean its true. Also, female ligers are always fertile, male usually are sterile but their is a small percentage for them to be fertile. There was the case of a fertile mule in Texas. And ive seen lots of male sterile Ligers that appear to be fine. And the reason why am making this debate is so people can get the right information so we can make sure the page does not misinform the viewer. I've tried to change the page multiple times so i could present the correct information but it appears that unless i can convince them otherwise, Wikipedians wont let me make the changes. Many Wikipedians are so biased towards reading articles that they never question if the articles in question are factually correct or if they contain outdated information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 56FireLeafs (talk • contribs) 05:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 56FireLeafs (talk • contribs)

Red panda FAC

Hello, would you be able to review red panda for FAC? I think we just need one more review. We already have two content reviews, an image review and a source review. Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Tree of Life/Newsletter/019

March 2022—Issue 019

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Queen angelfish by LittleJerry Alaska marmot by An anonymous username, not my real name, reviewed by Ealdgyth Firefly by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Ealdgyth Afrolychas braueri by OnlyFixingProse, reviewed by An anonymous username, not my real name Mountain pigeon by AryKun, reviewed by Ealdgyth Dracopristis by Fossiladder13, reviewed by Ealdgyth Bonacynodon by Trilletrollet, reviewed by AryKun Lichexanthone by Esculenta, reviewed by Szmenderowiecki Yellowtail flounder by Eviolite, reviewed by RecycledPixels Sexual selection by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by AryKun

Newly nominated content

White-headed fruit dove by AryKun Mountain pigeon by AryKun Florence Merriam Bailey by GhostRiver Agelenopsis pennsylvanica by Kline Hypericum aegypticum by Fritzmann Guadeloupe woodpecker by OnlyFixingProse

News at a glance

• A discussion is ongoing over whether the pencil icon for editing taxonomy templates should be changed.

March DYKs

Elysia timida

Humbertium covidum

Door Tree

• ... that although it is a bird of prey, the white-fronted falconet is only 14 to 17 cm (5.5 to 6.7 in) long and mainly feeds on insects? (March 1)
• ... that Squatina mapama was named after Spain's Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries, Food and Environment? (March 3)
• ... that the sea slug Elysia timida (example pictured) absorbs its colouration from its algae-based diet? (March 3)
• ... that Seal Rescue Ireland comforts orphaned seal pups with fake mothers made of wetsuits? (March 4)
• ... that the flatworm Hum­ber­tium covidum (pictured), named after the COVID-19 pandemic, was classified in a study written mostly during the initial lockdown? (March 6)
• ... that the Door Tree (pictured), which stood for nearly 200 years, was cut down because of a brother's hatred? (March 8)
• ... that the nature documentary The Green Planet, narrated by David Attenborough, has been compared to both horror films and a "plant porno"? (March 10)
• ... that the colour of the markings on Nesticus cellulanus can vary depending on the light level of the habitat, with darker habitats causing lighter markings? (March 15)
• ... that the gonads of the banded bullfrog remain ripe during dry periods so that it can mate soon after rainfall? (March 17)
• ... that Gea eff has the shortest scientific name of any spider species? (March 18)
• ... that the discovery of Bianchengichthys may shed new light on the evolution of all jawed vertebrates? (18 March)
• ... that Alaska marmots take turns acting as sentries to protect their colonies? (March 20)
• ... that some of the calls of the bare-headed laughingthrush have been described as "comical"? (March 25)
• ... that the Bornean stubtail forages more like a mouse than a bird? (March 29)
• ... that the rare Somali pigeon urgently needs a population survey? (March 31)

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White Tiger

I don't get how would Landorus be irrelevant as a link on the White Tiger page. Its Therian Forme is inspired by the White Tiger, so why did you remove it? --Keyacom (💬 | 🖊) 19:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Landorus is not relevant to the White Tiger article because it is merely one of many pop-culture creatures/characters based on the mythological figure. Listing them in the See Also section adds no value, grants no help in further understanding, the topic of the article. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:48, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Instead of removing links, you could at least have created an "In popular culture" section. That would fit the most. --Keyacom (💬 | 🖊) 20:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Since "In Popular culture sections are heavily discouraged, that would have only aggravated the problem. SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Tiger

Hello. Bit confused by your changes to my recent edit at Tiger. Firstly, it now diverges from the reference I used, you seem to have removed the trinomials, and it is perfectly possible to have a trinomial junior synonym for a species. Secondly, you removed {{Species list}}, the correct use of which italicises the binomials (and trinomials), as well as making the authorities small. YorkshireExpat (talk) 20:45, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Tree of Life Newsletter – 020

April 2022—Issue 020

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Red panda by LittleJerry and BhagyaMani White-headed fruit dove by AryKun List of ochotonids by PresN Guadeloupe woodpecker by OnlyFixingProse, reviewed by Ealdgyth Magnetoreception by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Mover of molehills Macauley Island by Jo-Jo Eumerus, reviewed by Ealdgyth Black-breasted buttonquail by Casliber, reviewed by Ealdgyth Florence Merriam Bailey by GhostRiver, reviewed by SquareInARoundHole

Newly nominated content

Black-breasted buttonquail by Casliber List of birds of Tuvalu by AryKun List of cingulates by PresN List of didelphimorphs by PresN Stegotherium by Larrayal Resplendent quetzal by SadAttorney613 Electroreception and electrogenesis by Chiswick Chap Muja (alligator) by Amanuensis Balkanicus Punctelia graminicola by Esculenta Siegfried Huneck by Esculenta Abiogenesis by Chiswick Chap

News at a glance

• The second round of the WikiCup ends with three TOL editors moving into the third round: AryKun, Ealdgyth, and GhostRiver.

April DYKs

Whitehead's broadbill

Anaea aidea

• ... that the rare Somali pigeon urgently needs a population survey? (April 1)
• ... that Darth Vader's anal shield has a "pronounced bell shape"? (April 2)
• ... that lichexanthone, a chemical found in some lichens, enhances human sperm motility and kills mosquito larvae? (April 3)
• ... that raptor persecution is a crime against birds of prey, and in Scotland, ravens are afforded honorary raptor status? (April 4)
• ... that the chestnut-hooded laughingthrush feeds on insects that have been hit by vehicles? (April 7)
• ... that the calls of Whitehead's broadbill (example pictured) resemble those of trogons, woodpeckers, and jays? (April 10)
• ... that the nests of Hose's broadbill have tails? (April 12)
• ... that butterflies of the genus Anaea (example pictured) are said to have "commanded the admiration of even the most gold-mad conquistadores"? (April 16)
• ... that despite being described in 1840, the chestnut-backed buttonquail was only confirmed in Queensland in 2020? (April 21)
• ... that a species in the genus of sponges Pseudoceratina produces a chemical that can help prevent migration of metastatic breast cancer cells? (April 22)
• ... that Ulmus chuchuanus had to be renamed due to another fossil already having its original name? (April 26)
• ... that a walrus was given his own pontoon to stop him damaging other boats in St Mary's Harbour? (April 27)
• ... that magnetoreception in birds works by quantum effects in their eyes? (April 28)

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Leopard lead image

Talk:Leopard#Lead image here posted a new potnetial lead image for the leopard article. May be you want to participate. Best,--Altaileopard (talk) 13:29, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Stalking

Hi, how come you are wiki-stalking me through me edits at Wikipedia? Do you not have anything better to do with your time? Duck Dawny (talk) 22:20, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm not stalking you, I watchlisted Category:Cats in folklore (among many other cats and cat-related articles). SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:46, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I do not mind constructive changes to the articles or +Cats I start; just not wiki-stalking through my edits. Thank you Duck Dawny (talk) 09:31, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

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Finding common ground?

Hey @SilverTiger12 — thanks for your comments on the RfC regarding Vector 2022. I'm trying to connect with some editors to better understand their perspective, and how they are weighing the tradeoffs here. I have a hunch that on a deeper level (beyond typography preferences, or aesthetic preferences about whitespace, etc.) we all share some common goals (we being the volunteer editors, and the product folks at the WMF). So, this is kind of an experimental conversation but, if you're willing to engage...from the data we see people searching more, and using the table of contents more to explore articles more deeply. We don't see a decline in any datapoints. Ultimately this means more readers will be exploring and reading more Wikipedia content with Vector 2022. If we zoom out and look a the big picture, is that not the overarching goal here? To share knowledge with the world and have them come engage with it? Logged-in users can customize the interface as they choose. If the data shows increased engagement from logged-out people, would that not be a win for the movement as a whole? I'm trying to understand if editors share this larger goal (and if not, what their larger goals are), and how to focus the conversation on that, versus smaller differences in aesthetic preferences.

Any response you are willing to offer is greatly appreciated. I am not trying to convince you of anything, I am rather trying to deepen my own understanding of how people are thinking about the tradeoffs here.

Thanks, AHollender (WMF) (talk) 18:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

My goal is for a good interface that works for both editors and readers. A small sticky bar at the top with the search bar works, but not a sticky sidebar and top bar. Choose one or the other, both is aggravating.

The limited width is the absolute worst, as it makes Wikipedia look like a tabloid. I also edit on Fandom, which has a similarly lesser width than Wikipedia currently does, and the lesser width is problematic at times. SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:05, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:List of columbids

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the lion mergers

Hi SilverTiger12: please have a brief look at these earlier versions of the two probable merger pages: 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Panthera_leo_melanochaita&oldid=860922252 and 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Panthera_leo_leo&oldid=861740256 >> if we consent to use these as entry points for merging, then it'll be just a matter of moving a few paragraphs from the other pages. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 22:17, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I took a look. Those are nice, but I'm not sure that starting from scratch wouldn't be better (more work, but better flow of words). Also, using those as entry point would mean reverting what has happened in the intervening edits.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:22, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Whether they are nice or not, doesn't matter. But more so that these are essentially mergers already, the 1) of Southern and East African lion, and the 2) of West and Central African lion pages. Flow of words can be adjusted, would be much easier than starting from point 0. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 22:36, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I also suggest merger of these two articles- Himalayan Wolf and Mongolian Wolf. The two wolves are same subspecies now. Both are also called the Tibetan Wolf which had a separate article/page previously. Ishan87 (talk) 07:22, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

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Cheshire cat

Hello, SilverTiger12. I am a newbie, and would like to learn something from you. You reverted my edit on Cheshire cat. The reasoning is "not notable". Is it not a subjective criteria? Virtually the same piece is living on this page "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Any_Road" for quite some time. May be you would like to either revert that section too, or educate me, why this piece is not valid on Cheshire cat page. Thanks. -Anil1956 I am waiting for your answer. It would educate me. Thanks. -Anil1956

Because philosophical or scholarly commentary on a given topic must come from a reputable, scholarly source. Not a popular song. In fact, songs in general are rarely acceptable sources for Wikipedia content. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Barbary lion

Hi,

Why the reverts? It is reliably sourced via WP:RSPSS.

Thank you :) NAADAAN (talk) 17:14, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

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See my edit summary notification.

FWIW, you can typically tell pretty easily when a business has conducted a PR campaign since part of that work involves publishing promotional material through widely recognized PR outlets, like PR Newswire. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 11:15, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Deprodding of Dumb Friends League

I completely rewrote Dumb Friends League using only independent refs to address your concerns in your proposed deletion, and have removed the prod tag. Schazjmd (talk) 23:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

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Pot Roast (cat)

Hi SilverTiger12, you might want to amend your PROD to remove BLP1E because the article is about a cat, not a person, so BLP does not apply. :) S0091 (talk) 13:44, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I've seen BLP1E used for individual animals as well as people, and it gets my point across. SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:13, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

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List of erinaceids

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A barnstar for you!

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	Sivasmilus is a very good article. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 03:33, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Wow, thank you!! I haven't gotten a barnstar before! --SilverTiger12 (talk) 14:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Your unexplained reversion at Bengal cat

Could you please explain why you reverted my edit at Bengal cat? Reversion of good faith edits w/o good reason is very poor etiquette. --Hadal (talk) 23:27, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Because the images were not particularly good and did not appreciably add to the article. Specifically, they did not clearly show either the body or coat pattern, and they were not in the corresponding sections for either.

To be more clear, adding images to articles of cat breeds (or really, any breed of pet) tends to be a touchy subject and is discouraged unless it can be clearly adding to the quality of the section and article. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 00:33, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Please use edit summaries in future, and please refrain from making such reverts without discussion based on what amounts subjective reasons. The coat colour/pattern was clearly visible, there was nothing wrong with the image quality, and trying to claim otherwise amounts to justification after the fact.

I see you have been repeatedly asked in the past to better communicate the reasons behind your edits.

Similarly, if you take issue with the positioning of an image in an article this is also not a reason to revert without discussion. Make the changes you think are necessary, rather revert without a word. "I don't like it" is not a reason to revert. Please make more effort to communicate in future. This helps everyone. --Hadal (talk) 00:44, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

To be honest, I so frequently revert drive-by edits adding people's pets to cat articles that all I do now is check the image, then revert if it a noticeable improvement. Two images of the same cat was also a red flag, in my mind. SilverTiger12 (talk) 01:00, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring at British big cats

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:41, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I have replied ta Talk:British big cats#Page protection. SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:43, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Only because it's you asking

... I've taken a stab at my talk page. But don't expect miracles. EEng 09:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I didn't expect anything, so this is a pleasant surprise! Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Flat headed cat

I understand what the lede is supposed to do, but the information on the cat's dimensions (length and weight) are quite literally a copy and paste from the Description section. It's redundant. Chumzwumz68 (talk) 03:27, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

I recommend you read WP:LEAD and also leads of wiki pages with the quality tags Featured or Good Article. Redundant are your repeated reversals of my edits. – BhagyaMani (talk) 07:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of the "List_of_kakapo" page

Mr SilverTiger12, I understand you are at the origin of the removal of the "list of kakapo" page. While I may understand the concerns you had about this page, it has definitely notability value for the community for numerous reasons:

• Kakapo recovery program is the most notable, most well-funded and most successful bird recovery program in New Zealand, birds were saved from the absolute brink of extinction. They were given names and so did their offspring, the fact those individual names are so important is because of their limited genepool and the fact that certain birds have to breed in order for the species to survive as a whole (most notably, the offspring of the Fiordland kakapo Richard Henry) - therefor, this information is key.
• The article is well-sourced - the Twitter, Instagram and Facebook sources come directly from the New Zealand Department of Conservation that lead the program and are as such not a matter of controversy
• The article is completely up to date with the control of those official sources
• The article is important for the non-scientific community, as there is no other publicly available source of information for this list of birds
• Due to the strong emotional bond many people within or outside New Zealnd (such as me) feel to these birds, it is important to have the names, especially since the information is correct
• One would argue that when a list with no interest whatsoever such as like the succession order to the throne of a country exists, this list would be way more important.
• To gauge the interest, I would suggest you take a look at takapodigs (Andrew Digby) - the science advisor for the kakapo recovery program page on Twitter, and on the Department of Conservation and Kakapo Recovery and Sirocco the Kakapo pages on Facebook and Instagram to see how thousands of people are literally rabid about the informations you deem uncrucial.

As such, I would ask you to return the page to wikipedia, or at the very least provide me the PDF of the last version of the page, so that at the very least I can follow it on my side and at least keep the info and share it with the (numerous) people interested in it.

Thanks for the read, I hope you take the appropriate measures in either restoring the page or merging it with the kakapo page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PasquiDerder (talk • contribs) 07:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Firstly, I was not the one who nominated the list for deletion; that was User:AryKun. I judged the list against Wikipedia policies and felt it violated WP:NOT, was poorly sourced, and generally failed Wikipedia policy. Have a good day. SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, SilverTiger’s right, they just voted on the list, I was the one who nominated it. Nobody voted to delete the article because they thought it was incorrect; that isn’t even a valid rationale for deletion under Wikipedia policy. It was deleted because it isn’t notable, in the Wikipedia sense of the word. We do not judge an article’s notability by metrics like followers and subscribers: we need independent, reliable sources (please read that link, most people never do and so sit around arguing against decades of policy as if we’d change it on a whim) like news organizations and academic papers that specifically discuss the subject in depth. The kakapo recovery program as a whole has been widely discussed and probably needs an article; you can help write one! But a list of every living kakapo is clearly not notable, because no RS discusses them in depth in a way that would establish their notability. Finally, if all you want is a copy of the article, you can probably get the last resign over at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. AryKun (talk) 03:24, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I understand the rationale, but again, the sources mentionned are literally reliable since they stem directly from the highest government office in New Zealand, and I disagree with the list not being notable.

Now, this deletion absolutely crushes me on a personal level since it was my only way of closely monitoring this bird population through carefully crafted data by reliable sources. Is there a way you can at least send me the text of the article or like put it up again for 48 hours so that I download the data I need at least for my culture and then y'all are free to cancel it again, even, and I can't emphasize this enough, the list is notable and reliable and the deletion is a real loss of knowledge for the world? Thanks for your answer and open to talk more (I just need the data of who the dads and moms are of the living birds) PasquiDerder (talk) 08:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Just go over to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion and make a request to have the page restored to your userspace: you can copy it and if you come up with a better version of the page that covers the entire conservation program and is not just a list of individual birds, submit it to Articles for Creation. AryKun (talk) 12:31, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I made the request as you suggested and the administrator there just flatly told me no, could you please explain it to him, so that yeah, it just goes to my userspace and to nobody else's since the topic of a list of birds seems to put so many people on the fence. PasquiDerder (talk) 13:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

You didn't request for it to be put into your userspace. You made a general flailing on how it's a decent article and well sourced and has person impact on you. Please read what people tell you is correct process for getting what you want, instead of hearing part of it, failing to comply, and then complaining you didn't get what you want. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:01, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

And I would gladly write an article on the kakapo recovery programm, but the "List of kakapo" page is literally the best immaginable page to start and the best source trove which is now lost to people like me who are not admin. PasquiDerder (talk) 08:54, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Leopardus narinensis

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August 2023

Hello, I'm Anaxial. I noticed that you recently removed sourced content from Lynx without adequately explaining why, replacing it (perhaps unintentionally) with an unsourced and inaccurate claim. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page.Thanks. Anaxial (talk) 04:51, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

The reference isn't needed in the taxobox and just clutters it, and the claim I made is cited later on. I was changing it to match the usual pattern of taxoboxes. SilverTiger12 (talk) 14:48, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Lynx, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Instead of deleting sourced information and replacing it with an unsourced claim contradicted by reliable sources please familiarise yourself with the rules on the naming of type species (available both at that WP article, and here, in the example under rule 67.1), in particular noting that the name that must be listed is not necessarily the current scientific name of the species in question. Anaxial (talk) 20:14, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Table of names for hybrids

I added columns Jagupardess, Ligress, and Tigoness; and added

• Tiliger, Titigon, Lijagulep, Liliger, Litigon

you reverted these edits saying "Uncited"

there is a literally a page on all of them:

• Tiliger, Titigon, Lijagulep, Liliger, Litigon

>>> Webclouddat (talk) 06:19, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

i will let you see this before reverting so there isnt a back-and-forth Webclouddat (talk) 06:20, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

You were reverted because none of your additions had citations. Which is unacceptable. SilverTiger12 (talk) 04:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

no other cell in the table had citations...

and the citations were the other wiki pages on them... Webclouddat (talk) 04:50, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Unexplained Reversion at Ragdoll

Hi, I just wanted to ask about your reversion of my edit including extra information about tortie point ragdolls, that they aren't the same as calicos. I may be new, but as others have pointed out, I don't think reverting good faith edits without reasoning is particularly good etiquette. -- AnteaterStim (talk) 10:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I reverted because the source appeared to be an unreliable one. SilverTiger12 (talk) 04:09, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

The sources I used are of similar quality to other sources in the article. One of them (thehappycatsite) is already used elsewhere on the page, as well as having its own reference list at the bottom of the page. So respectfully, I disagree. AnteaterStim (talk) 10:40, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

They again reverted good edits in Panthera hybrid.

They do have many hints they are a good user, but the unexplained/[with bad explanations] reverts are not good.

>>> Webclouddat (talk) 03:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Are you good faith?

1. Before, you reverted my edits to the table "You were reverted because none of your additions had citations. Which is unacceptable.", while the citations were the links
2. Now, you just deleted the table for the names of hybrid panthera species.
3. then you reverted the edit changing a link to Hellabrunn Zoo (which is whats it called btw) (it also changed jagupard to jagulep; but those are synonyms)
   • at the same time, you also reverted the edit adding a paragraph.

do you have a want to control everything??

>>> Webclouddat (talk) 03:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

u also seem to have a history (in history section) of reverting many other edits. which may or may not be good faith.

>>> Webclouddat (talk) 03:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I frequently revert edits because I tend to wiki-gnome, that is, keep an eye on things rather than carry out major expansions. I deleted the table for being unreferenced after you so kindly pointed that out. And the "Hellbrun Zoo" mentioned in Panthera hybrid does not seem to be the same as the "Hellabrunn Zoo"- they are stated as being in different locations (Hellbrun is in Austria, Hellabrunn is in Germany). SilverTiger12 (talk) 04:01, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

then please somehow specify that its Salzburg Zoo Hellbrunn, in Hellbrunn Palace

I pointed out "no other cell in the table had citations", not that there were no citations for the items in the table. One does not generally put citations inside tables with info found elsewhere in article.

Sources that you so dearly want:

• https://www.bionity.com/en/encyclopedia/Panthera_hybrid.html
• https://www.britannica.com/animal/liger
• https://www.britannica.com/animal/tigon
• If there are other pages on certain animals, why do you need citations, is my question. there is no need for citations because the names come up later in the article, and the table is like a TL;DR (DO NOT SAY YOU HATE TL;DRs)

>>> Webclouddat (talk) 04:23, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Most of the linked names did not have articles, though, and were merely redirects; some of them did in fact lack any citation supporting use of the name anyway. SilverTiger12 (talk) 04:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Even if you're wiki gnoming (that is, making smaller incremental edits rather than larger or more significant edits), that doesn't refer to the reverting other people's work without giving reasons or without trying to improve on the content that's there. Referring to policies, WP:TWABUSE says:

If a change is merely "unsatisfactory" in some way, undoing/reverting should not be the first response. Editors should either make a reasonable attempt to improve the change, or should simply leave it in place for future editors to improve. Undo/revert is appropriate in cases where the contribution is arguably "wrong" (consider moving it to the Talk page), or is unreasonably difficult to fix (e.g. incomprehensible, and the author is unresponsive), or is actually harmful to the article (such as vandalism). A plain language edit summary (not merely tags) should be used when reverting changes that appear to have been made in good faith because many contributors will not recognize minimalistic tags and will not learn what the problem was and are likely to repeat it.

And WP:REVERT says:

Consider carefully before reverting, as it rejects the contributions of another editor, and all others' after the edit in question. Consider what you object to, and what the editor was attempting. Can you improve the edit, bringing progress, rather than reverting it? Can you revert only part of the edit, or do you need to revert the whole thing? (The latter option is better executed through an undo action.)

In the edit summary or on the talk page, succinctly explain why the change you are reverting was a bad idea or why reverting it is a better idea. In cases of blatant vandalism, uncontroversially disruptive changes or unexplained removals, the amount of explanation needed is minimal. But in the event of a content dispute, a convincing, politely-worded explanation gains much importance and avoids unnecessary disputes.

(Bold added for emphasis on specific points.) -- AnteaterStim (talk) 19:35, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

ty for helping me i cant argue :)

>>> Webclouddat (talk) 00:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Cats on the Internet

You reverted my edit without leaving a reason, nor attempting to improve what was there. Can you please explain your action? Thank you. CTR1874 (talk) 02:30, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

If I don't hear back from you soon I will restore my edits. They were valid and sourced and contributed to the article in a substantive way. CTR1874 (talk) 16:18, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

The list of celebrity cats in that article holds to a high bar, and your addition lacked any evidence of long-term coverage and significance. SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:31, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, no disrespect intended, but you're going to need to do better than that. The list of celebrity cats in that article includes three that have little or no relevance at all. The impact of Tater Tot - a kitten who only lived a month and a half - is quite large and international in scope. People are getting tattoos, creating social media groups, and having events. You haven't read any of the references, or followed what has been happening otherwise you'd realize that what you said is not correct. CTR1874 (talk) 15:38, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

And yet, it is still a short-term interest as of yet. I don't see any indication of long-term significance. SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:25, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

I have to agree with SilverTiger12 here. Tater Tot has had a large impact, at the moment, which is undeniable. However, to be on the same level as Grumpy Cat, I would have to disagree. Tater Tot was born not even 3 months ago, and his death - arguably the catalyst for his fame (he was popular beforehand, but his death is what catapulted him to this level) - was not even one month ago.

If keyboard cat doesn't even get to count as a celebrity, or PeePee, or Floppa, then I think it's far too early for Tater Tot to achieve this status. Perhaps he will be a large phenomenon and a celebrity, in time, but as SilverTiger12 says - there's no evidence that this is long-term significance. <>=< AnteaterStim (talk) 07:02, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Please stop restoring predatory journal citations e.g. [5]

These are not reliable sources and should not be cited on Wikipedia. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:59, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

It's also the only good citation for that species. SilverTiger12 (talk) 20:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

If so, then it's WP:UNDUE and fails WP:V. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:14, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Tree of Life Newsletter Issue 21

August 2023—Issue 021

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Australiformis by Mattximus Rodrigues night heron by FunkMonk Titanis by Augustios Paleo List of lorisoids by PresN List of storks by AryKun Brontosaurus by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by The Morrison Man Eukaryote by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Fritzmann2002 Stramenopile by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Fritzmann2002 Titanoboa by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by SilverTiger12 Antarctopelta by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Anna Blackburne by Kusma, reviewed by Etriusus Anomochilus leonardi by AryKun, reviewed by Amitchell125 Nyctibatrachus manalari by AryKun, reviewed by Sammi Brie Mimodactylus by FunkMonk, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Nyctibatrachus major by AryKun, reviewed by Etriusus Anomochilus weberi by AryKun, reviewed by Etriusus Plant by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Cessaune

Newly nominated content

Ohmdenosaurus by Jens Lallensack Polar bear by LittleJerry Mimodactylus by FunkMonk List of cercopithecoids by PresN List of tapaculos by AryKun Klallamornis by Larrayal Hypericum perforatum by Fritzmann2002 Holozoa by Snoteleks Teloschistaceae by Esculenta Carcharodontosaurus by Augustios Paleo Nyctibatrachus radcliffei by AryKun Anomochilus by AryKun

New contest!

This month has seen an incredible amount of activity creating high quality content, with 3 FAs, 3 FACs, and a veritable flood of GAs and GANs, not to mention the FLs and FLCs. To help maintain this high level of activity going forward, WikiProject Tree of Life is starting a new monthly rolling contest, inspired by the contest run by WikiProject Military History. This contest should hopefully help incentivize editors to contribute in ways that are less daunting than writing articles that are GA and FA-quality. Even improving articles from stub to start class, or helping other editors by reviewing their work at GAN, FAC, or FLC, gets you points, with bonus points for articles with especially high page views. Make sure to participate in any way you can, and help improve the 'pedia while having fun and winning Barnstars!

August DYKs

Two salt marsh snakes

Blackburnian warbler

• ... that orcas have been teaching each other to attack boats? (August 2)
• ... that Ameles decolor has one of the most complex mating rituals of any praying mantis? (August 4)
• ... that salt marsh snakes (examples pictured) drink only rainwater? (August 6)
• ... that by 1967, staff at the Home Office were told not to feed Peta morsels of food as she had become "inordinately fat"? (August 8)
• ... that the perigynia of the few-flowered sedge spring outward when brushed against? (August 16)
• ... that three burnt golf balls are preserved at Kew Gardens as a "rare fungal species"? (August 19)
• ... that the chemicals responsible for the smell of freshly cut grass are a plant defense mechanism? (August 20)
• ... that the Blackburnian warbler (example pictured) is named after Anna Blackburne, who provided specimens to Thomas Pennant? (August 22)
• ... that Tylocephale possibly used their domed skulls to fight one another? (August 24)
• ... that John Cleese once called Olivia Benson "the weirdest cat I've ever seen in my life"? (August 25)
• ... that Winston Churchill was often portrayed as a bulldog (pictured), but his personal pet dog during the Second World War was a poodle? (August 25)
• ... that a report by the philosopher Jonathan Birch and colleagues led to cephalopods and decapods being recognised as sentient under the UK's Animal Welfare (Sentience) Act? (August 27)
• ... that Mike Wingfield named a fungus after his first grandchild, Rachel? (August 27)
• ... that depending on who you ask, an anomochilid could be a dwarf or a giant? (August 28)

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Polar bear

Hello. Would you be able to review the article for FAC? LittleJerry (talk) 23:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure, I had thought there were already enough reviewers and so refrained. SilverTiger12 (talk) 23:29, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

author[#]

Please don't use |author[#]= for "Lastname, Firstname" data. It is an alias of |last[#]=, and |author[#]= is only for organizational authors (committees, etc.). If you do |author1=Milosevic, Irena then you are polluting the last-name data with given names. The proper format is |last1=Milosevic|first1=Irena. They are separate parameters for a reason. :-)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:26, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Huh, I didn't know the difference in usage. I just used whichever parameter I felt up to using (last/first when I wasn't feeling lazy, author when I was), yes, very terrible of me. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 02:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Tree of Life Newsletter Issue 22

September 2023—Issue 022

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

List of cercopithecoids by PresN List of tapaculos by AryKun Polar bear by Little Jerry Ohmdenosaurus by Jens Lallensack Amargatitanis by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Teloschistaceae by Esculenta, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Holozoa by Snoteleks, reviewed by Esculenta Ashy flycatcher by AryKun, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Nyctibatrachus radcliffei by AryKun, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Carcharodontosaurus by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by SilverTiger12 Life by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Apatosaurinae by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Hypericum perforatum by Fritzmann2002, reviewed by Femke

Newly nominated content

Mountain pigeon by AryKun List of hominoids by PresN List of cranes by AryKun List of tarsiiformes by PresN Lycorma meliae by Etriusus Aristonectes by Amirani1746 Animal echolocation by Chiswick Chap Hyalospheniidae by Snoteleks Buellia frigida by Snoteleks

Contest results

The first edition of our new monthly contest had perhaps a little less participation than I hoped for, but it still resulted in a huge amount of content work, mainly focussed on de-stubbing articles on little-known species, although we did also see two GAs for Holozoa and Hypericum perforatum. Overall, over 60 articles were improved, with most going from stubs or redlinks to fully fleshed out articles. The winner this month was Simongraham, who improved 21 articles about spiders, mainly to B and C class, and racked up 70 points, over twice the next highest. Hopefully, we'll continue to see such great work next month, with even more participants and even more articles improved.
Also anyone who wants to help coordinate the contest can just drop by at the talk page, I really need help.

September DYKs

Republicopteron douseae fossil

Male Phallichthys fish

Mimodactylus reconstruction

Adult ashy flycatcher

• ... that with all known Palae­orehniidae fossils (example pictured) being incomplete, the relationships of the family are uncertain? (September 2)
• ... that butterfly collector Ian Heslop was once required to supervise an execution? (September 3)
• ... that the Munich Mouser, Neville Chamberlain's pet, and Nelson, Winston Churchill's pet, had a rivalry during World War II? (September 6)
• ... that Phal­lich­thys (literally 'penis fish') species are so called because the males (example pictured) have "comparatively huge" sex appendages? (September 8)
• ... that merry widows like soft bottoms? (September 10)
• ... that Mimodactylus (reconstruction pictured) is the first complete pterosaur from the Afro-Arabian continent? * ... that small Poecilia gillii males have longer sex organs than larger males, to facilitate mating with females that flee from them? (September 12)
• ... that the dwarf merry widow is not very brave? (September 13)
• ... that dwarf mollies hit rock bottom when they grow up? (September 14)
• ... that the Siberian crane is considered more threatened than the whooping crane, despite there being an estimated ten times more of them? (September 15)
• ... that one way to tell the African dusky flycatcher apart from the ashy flycatcher (example pictured) is that the former is "cuter"? (September 18)
• ... that the spiky inedible grass Triodia scintillans tastes like salt and vinegar chips? (September 19)
• ... that the bicolor molly inevitably goes off the deep end in adulthood? (September 27)
• ... that the Waitangiroto Nature Reserve is the only known nesting area for the eastern great egret in New Zealand? (September 28)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Jungle cat subspecies

A tag has been placed on Category:Jungle cat subspecies indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:40, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

October 2023

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Dinofelis. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 01:39, 4 October 2023 (UTC)