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What and how do you mean? What is "pushing the boundaries"? And please don't unnecessarily capitalize all those words on my talk page. I take that as a troll.Fumiko Take (talk) 04:12, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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Other bright lines on 3 reverts in 24 hours and so one notwithstanding When an editor makes a major edit such as deleting a large chunk of a stable article and are reverted, to delete it again is counted as edit warring. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:05, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: Okay. That one's already been a poor-written crappy article. I just tried to remove some insults from it.Fumiko Take (talk) 02:16, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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Reverted nonsensical reversion. as if it wasn't obvious enough

Not when it is in a foreign language and non latin script and you do not bother to leave an Edit summary. Britmax (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Did you even read the very first line of the article? Or even check the Japanese article itself? I don't speak Japanese, by the way.Fumiko Take (talk) 14:59, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

If you do not speak Japanese how do you know that the first line of the article is correct? Please leave an Edit summary. Simple. Britmax (talk) 15:05, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Fine. If saying something like "added a kanji to make it uniform with the term mentioned in the first line which may not be correct any way" (sounds stupid, ain't it?) makes you happy, I'll do it. And again, I don't speak Japanese either. Use a little common sense. Simple.Fumiko Take (talk) 15:13, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Yep. That would do. Britmax (talk) 15:58, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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Reveal your sources

I appreciate all your contributions to Japanese phonology, Transcription into Japanese, etc., but would you please cite your source whenever you make an addition to an article? I'm sure you already know this, but Wikipedia's core content policies require every contribution to be verifiable by reliable sources and to be based on no original research.

On Wikipedia it doesn't matter if you know if what you're adding is true; you just have to show it's backed by an external source (it doesn't have to be a perfect one, just give us something to work on). Otherwise your contributions will be construed original research and need to be removed. Nardog (talk) 20:18, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

In that case, do as you wish. Most of these are just observable facts. I wish there are comprehensive sources or guidelines on these things, which I'm not sure even exist.Fumiko Take (talk) 20:25, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Of course they exist. Just googling basic words will return a plenty of books and papers.

On Japanese phonetics and phonology in general, there are Vance (2008, 1987), Labrune (2012), Akamatsu (1997, 2000), all of which are fairly accessible to non-experts. As for loanword adaptation, Irwin (2011) seems to be the most comprehensive and accessible. There are also Katayama (1998) and Mutsukawa (2006), which are written with Optimality Theory in mind and thus may not be as accessible. There is even a whole book written just about the adaptation of front rounded vowels into Japanese. Shigeto Kawahara has written a bunch of stuff about Japanese phonology, both theoretical and applied, some accessible and others abstract, so I'm sure some of his papers or their references will help you further understand what you're interested in.

If what you're posting are truly "just observable facts", then it is unreasonable to think people past and present have not thought about them and written about them. And Wikipedia, being an encyclopedia and no place for original research, requires to cite them. Nardog (talk) 02:01, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I was talking about the Transcription article, but like I said, just do as you wish. Remove what you find dubious or whatever.Fumiko Take (talk) 10:14, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Irwin, Katayama, Mutsukawa, Dohlus, and some of Kawahara are all about the transcription of foreign words into Japanese. It's not that I want you to completely stop contributing, it's just that I want you to (and Wikipedia demands you to) make sure what you're posting is verified by reliable sources. Also, when something is rather obvious, you may just cite a dictionary or add a link to Wiktionary (at least it's better than no citation).

Japanese foreign word adaptation is something I also am interested in and intend to write about on Wikipedia once I have familiarized myself with the topic, so I would appreciate if you also did that. I don't necessarily find your observations plainly inaccurate, but one thing I'd like to note is that, since Japanese has only five vowels, the schwa in English is most often transcribed as whatever it's spelled (which you have described in the article, but the resulting sound is certainly not limited to a, o, u – it could be any of the five vowels). In addition, spelling pronunciation is rampant in Japanese adaptation of foreign words due to the Japanese's general lack of appreciation of English phonology, so it would not be sufficient if one just named the correspondence between a Japanese sound and an English phoneme or grapheme; e.g. pirate and garage are usually borrowed as パイレート and ガレージ just because they look like rate and rage – so the context in which a vowel is found, not just the vowel itself, matters. It should also be noted that the time in which a word was imported can significantly inform how it is spelled/pronounced – ティ and ディ were generally not possible until sometime in the 20th century, and the FACE vowel and words ending in -y generally used to be transcribed with エー and イィ respectively but are now usually エイ and イー, so the first names of Martin Scorsese and Gary Cooper used to be マーチン and ゲーリィ but now are マーティン and ゲイリー, for instance. These are some of the things I'd like to see incorporated into the article, but not without references to appropriate scholarly works. Nardog (talk) 03:18, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Not sure what's your point but I think I covered what you mentioned here. If you read the whole table, you can see I never specifically stated there was any limit to renditions of the schwa, which I also mentioned in a paragraph above. Examples like arubamu, tookun, tesutamento, airon, gareeji, chokoreeto were included. Note that a, o, u are typically used as renditions of the English grapheme <o>, which is an important part of the table (the whole "spelling pronunciation" thing as you call it). Well, apart from yi (e.g. ぴぃ), along with wu (e.g. くぅ), which I've only heard in cutesy renditions (like Pokemon names for example).Fumiko Take (talk) 13:53, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Totally Spies! descriptions

Please be mindful of not editorializing the descriptions for the characters. Some of the statements you added such as "almost cartoonish" and "represent some sort of anime-style blush" reads as personal interpretation and should be referenced. It's already noted that the character designers use anime mannerisms in the show. Also because it's a cartoon, of course the inventions and actions are gong to seem impossible, so they don't need to be compared to anything realistic. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:42, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF Please READ the damn CITED changes before spouting nonsense. Whatever about the anime-style blush thing, I can't really point to a specific source for that. But for the others, it's NOT editorialization, it's interpretation: thinking it's gone dark because her view's blocked IS a cartoonish trait, it's a cartoon trope, not something I came up off the top of my head; and also, "is it me or the ways we get woohped sometimes defy the laws of physics" very much means "practically impossible". I've noticed you just half-read edits and then quickly proceed to make non-mindful reversion, then revert back and forth only when someone spells out what you're doing wrong. So please don't lecture about mindfulness when you're that absent-minded. I mean look at your own edit summaries! Clearly you barely paid any attention at all!Fumiko Take (talk) 20:58, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

I've read those changes, and those were kept in, but you're still mixing them with your own interpretive statements like "almost cartoonish" and "sort of anime-style blush". I'm just asking for sources on that as those descriptions aren't plain as day observations like WP:BLUE And it doesn't need to say cartoonish when it's a cartoon. It's still not clear what an anime-style blush is, and does she always have that in her description or is it just when she is blushing, she blushes like an anime character? There are clear instances where the characters act like anime characters, including the grimaces, the anger marks, and chibi appearances. Is it something out of Manga iconography? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:22, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF And UNCITED DESCRIPTIVE statements like "She is the most naive and absent-minded of the three" shouldn't be subjected to scrutiny. Because that makes sense! I firmly request that you be more scrupulous before lecturing about what's qualified as information worthy of inclusion. I've removed the "blush" part, although this is clearly a conscious design choice based on anime/manga-style, for example http://www.ninemanga.com/chapter/Tenchi%20Muyo%21/636235.html http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-deedlit-parn-record-of-lodoss-wars-chronicles-of-the-herioc-knight-31094620.html https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Ffanyv88.com%3A443%2Fhttps%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FVW8-1ILshFU%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Ffanyv88.com%3A443%2Fhttps%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVW8-1ILshFU&docid=Chhw6imir1T9BM&tbnid=3WupMzbpWbAaAM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjuraqX4OLZAhXCX5QKHXuBDQsQMwjGASgcMBw..i&w=1280&h=720&bih=675&biw=1366&q=battle%20angel%20alita&ved=0ahUKEwjuraqX4OLZAhXCX5QKHXuBDQsQMwjGASgcMBw&iact=mrc&uact=8 (I could name some more, but just can't remember some for the moment). Alex seems to have a more baby-like face (wider, with lower cheekbones) compared to the other two, and per her personality, this trait could be for making her look more childlike. Although some manga artists do use these blush lines for all of their characters regardless of personality, and those lines could simply be for accentuate the characters' cheeks rather than used as blushes (https://comicbookrealm.com/series/15496/0/Record%20of%20Lodoss%20War:%20The%20Grey%20Witch). Fumiko Take (talk) 21:44, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

The writeup regarding how accurate the British accents are for Jerry is original research. WP:OR If it is relevant to the character's description it needs to be backed up with secondary sources that analyze that, such as critics and reviews, not the episodes themselves. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:05, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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