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Hi. Most, probably all, people in England pronounce "York" as "Yawk" or possibly "Yaak". In other words, the "r" is not heard. IPA, about which I know little, but which I presume is American, seems to assume that all "r"s are always to be pronounced, but that is often not the case in Britain. I see that you removed "local" from the pronunciation in the York article. Could you perhaps replicate there something along the lines of what has been done for Worcester where there has been a similar problem? Here it is:

Worcester (/ˈwʊstər/ WOOS-tər, locally /ˈwʊstə/)

I could attempt this myself, but would probably mess it up. Let me know if this is a problem. Best wishes. --GuillaumeTell 18:32, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

As you can see not all people in England pronounce it as 'yawk' (red area is where the 'r' is spoken): File:RhoticEngland.png (in the 50s) not even in today's RP-influenced "high class speech": File:RhoticEngland2.png

I removed the "local" after Kwamikagami changed it from /jɔːk/ to /jɔrk/ which is more liberal and also considers people from e. g. Devon who make a distinction between /ɔː/ and /ɔr/. My proposal would be

York (/ˈjɔːrk/ , locally /ˈjɔːk/) or

York (/ˈjɔːrk/ , local [ˈjoːk] (closed /o/ because of this)

but I guess most users would prefer the former. Regards, F. F. Fjodor (talk) 19:48, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Mm, thanks for the above - interesting maps, too, which do show rhotic gradually disappearing into the undergrowth. (I speak RP myself, but (IMO) it's dying out and being supplanted by Londonish accents influenced by TV.) Could you perhaps put a slightly less technical and slightly more explanatory version of the above (for the benefit of non-linguisticians) on the York Talk page so that it can be discussed there. Or I could do it if you'd rather not. --GuillaumeTell 22:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

The IPA is little known or used in the USA with the exception of linguists. It is extremely widespread and well known in most other parts of the world and is a standard tool of all students, teachers and researches of languages and linguistics. It is particularly useful as a common pronunciation reference for people who study or who work with many difefrent languages, especialy those that are not based on Latin script. --Kudpung (talk) 02:58, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I now changed it to my first proposal. If someone objects it I'm gonna discuss it on the talk page.--F. F. Fjodor (talk) 20:06, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

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