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Edmund Sheffield

This article has been expanded and referenced since I added the notability tag, and so I'm happy for it to be removed. Thanks. NostinAdrek (talk) 22:20, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Joan of France, Duchess of Berry

I've heard of various forms of "marriage before marriage" -- betrothal, precontract, marriage by proxy -- but I've never heard of a marriage being "recognized by the Church" at a later date than it occurred. In 15th century Catholic Europe, Christian marriages were made by the Church, and so automatically recognized by the Church; if the marriage was somehow said to have occurred without ecclesiastic involvement, then it wouldn't be "unrecognized", it would be totally invalid. As far as I can tell, the marriage may have been agreed to in 1473, but the actual ceremony of marriage was not held until 1476 -- possibly because Jeanne and Louis were too young in 1473. In any case, it seems that the 1476 date is the effective one, and that Louis and Jeanne were not living together as husband and wife before that date. RandomCritic 18:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

According to this site, Louis and Jeanne were contracted to marry on 19 May 1464, very shortly after Jeanne's birth; Louis' mother, Marie of Clèves, contested the contract and tried to have it annulled; and 20 October 1473 was the date on which she was finally persuaded to agree to the validity of the contract, with the marriage following on 8 September 1476. RandomCritic 18:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the interesting link! RandomCritic 07:37, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Rochester

Have you any information on poems falsely attributed to Rochester? It would make an interesting point about his reputation. JoeBlogsDord 23:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't have any solid evidence yet about poems attributed wrongly to Rochester. I am trying to find a place that list all of his impromptus about Charles II. I have read where he made as many as 14 variations including the one on the page. I would like to have a link or citation pointing to the others. One site that mentions several is: [1] Daytrivia 23:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Henrietta Villiers

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Re: Eleanor Talbot

Hello. This was clearly a cut-and-paste job so I've removed the whole text. Well spotted on your behalf too, even if it has been there for over a year now - better late than never. Regards, Craigy (talk) 01:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Your EAR

Hello,

You recently posted a request for editor assistance (subject: "Charlotte of Bourbon"), and there have been a few responses. Please review the comments and let me know if they were helpful.

Feel free to leave a note on my talk page; better yet, post your remarks below the responses provided. Cheers, --Aarktica 01:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

• Hello again. Your request for feedback regarding naming conventions (subject: "Henri de Bourbon, Duke of Montpensier(->):) was marked as resolved. Were the comments at all helpful? Please feel free to leave a note on my talk page regarding this matter. Cheers, --Aarktica 21:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. The information you provided was very helpful indeed and quite logical. I appreciate your prompt and efficient response. I just wanted to double check if, for instance the French "Henri" stays "Henri" and not changed to "Henry" in English. Your examples were very clear and "nips" my curiousity in the "bud" so to speak. Again thank you. Daytrivia 21:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

• Glad to see everything worked out for you. In the future, please leave a note with your request; such an update makes it easier to see if any further action is necessary. Cheers, --Aarktica 13:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Emanuel Scrope, 1st Earl of Sunderland

A response to your comment: Not at all, and please feel free to add more content and references!

More on my talk page, and thanks.

wikibiohistory 11:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC) 11:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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John Hooker (Connecticut court reporter)

Hi - I have copied the deleted text to a user subpage; you can find it here -User:Daytrivia/Temp. Once you've updated the article so that it passes notability, just move it back to the original name. Thanks, ELIMINATORJR 19:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Henry Ward Beecher

(text copied for reference)

Hi Lendorien, you recently made references inline which is fine but I had used the MLA style which is similar to the Harvard indicated at [2] because it may "can be simpler for the reader than flipping back and forth to footnotes or endnotes full of "ibid" citations."

"For a quotation that is within the text and marked by quotation marks, the citation follows the end-quotation mark ("), and is placed before the period (.), "like this" (Smith 2005).

No problem just curious about our different motives. Daytrivia 03:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

After further review of the article and having read several of the referenced books and material I am of the opinion that most of the content, not just the quotes, comes from them. With this in mind I believe it would be misleading to use a referenced book just for a quote. Naturally a quote should be properly cited (see above). I would prefer using MLA over Harvard because of the clarity of page number. A page number that is in the reference full citation section could be misleading beacause it refers to that particular quote when in fact a large portion of the article may come from that source and therefore the entire book stands alone without specificatioon to page number except after the quote itself. Daytrivia 19:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Your rational seems logical. Go ahead and revert my edits. --Lendorien 23:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. It is great knowing there are editors like you keeping a watchful eye and working hard to improve and validate articles. Daytrivia 00:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of William Willoughby, 1st Baron Willoughby of Parham

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Margaret de Stafford

Hi, I found the reference of Richard Glanville-Brown at The Peerage, Person page 10 Noles1984 (talk) 19:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Addition - I wonder if the email is still valid for Richard knowing how peoples addresses change from time to time... surely the mailing address might yield something. Noles1984 (talk) 19:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

A White Pages search produced an R Glanville-Brown (undisclosed box number) at Route 2, Milton, ON with a phone number of (905) 335-3927 Noles1984 (talk) 19:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. Perhaps it will be easier to find the "correspondence" mention. Again thank you. Daytrivia (talk) 21:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Frances Sargent Osgood

Hi, I see we are both helping out with this article. Please feel free to alter anything that I do, or make suggestions. I love to do the research but I do not fancy myself any kind of writer and my grammar is terrible! Thanks - Epousesquecido (talk) 01:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Edmund Sheffield, 1st Baron Sheffield of Butterwick

Hi Daytrivia. I think it's best to leave a note for that editor, explaining what you'd like to do with the article, and ask him/her whether you can remove the tag. The second option is to upload your material ASAP, ensuring it meets the notability guideline (all it needs I feel is one sentence at the top explaining why he's notable), and then remove the tag. If you've worked on it to address concerns, then you'd be in your right to do so. Hope this helps, and if you need any help, let me know :). PeterSymonds | talk 08:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

(An addition) It also seems that his notability as a "1st Baron" would have made him notable in his own right. Services to the king etc: if he was made a Baron then he must've done something right, and must've been pretty notable at the time. Just a note to explain what he did might do the trick; I don't think this would be deleted at AfD even as it is. PeterSymonds | talk 08:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

No probs! Good luck with it. Best, PeterSymonds | talk 19:12, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Elizabeth Wriothesley, Countess of Southampton

Hi Daytrivia. Hmm, the quote did seem a bit out of place, and a reader unfamiliar with her wouldn't understand the significance. I've expanded that section a bit to establish context; I hope you don't mind the changes. As for the name, yes, it's tricky, but accuracy has to come first. "Elizabeth Vernon, Countess of Southampton" makes her look like an unmarried life peer. She gained her title upon marriage, so we shouldn't refer to her maiden name as part of her title (in my opinion; I can't find any naming conventions to back that up unfortunately!).

If the maiden name is more significant than the married name, then maybe the article should be at Elizabeth Vernon; what do you think? The title and maiden surname should be kept separate I think. PeterSymonds | talk 18:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Interesting, I suppose it does keep things in one place. I think the way it is now is appropriate, especially as Elizabeth Vernon redirects there anyway. I think if it's the full title, the maiden name should be replaced by the married name, and then the maiden name made clear in the lead. If you approve of this, maybe the other articles could be moved for consistency. PeterSymonds | talk 20:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I know, it's frustrating at times! I'll leave a note on WT:MOS and WT:NC, and hopefully that can get the naming conventions going. I've moved a few pages in the same way so I hope you approve. When I've got a response I'll let you know; hopefully you can add your contribution to the potential discussion as well. Thanks, PeterSymonds | talk 21:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I've started the discussion here: [3]. PeterSymonds | talk 21:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem, happy to help. I think I've moved all the pages (Elizabeth was moved to Elizabeth Somerset, Countess of Worcester (1556–1621) because of another page at that title). Best, PeterSymonds | talk 16:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Giles Daubeny

I guess I didn't realize there was a preference to either. I thought it looked a little messy having the Google Books link all by itself, so I combined it with part of the reference. Go ahead and change it to whatever you think looks best, since you have more experience with this type of article than I. Hope this clears it up. Psychless 22:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I've made a change that will hopefully please both of us. Tell me what you think. Psychless 01:38, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Despenser/Despencer

I'd certainly agree that the medieval Despensers should be at this spelling, but I'm not sure about the one you created. Presumably you saw it spelled that way somewhere. Orthography wasn't standard in the middle ages, but later generations may have standardised on the "c" spelling in later years, for all I now. So we need redirects where there are dead links. Deb (talk) 17:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Earl of Galway

At first I agreed, and moved the page (similar to where Marquis de Lafayette is). But I'm not sure to be honest. Theoretically the highest title is his hereditary French title "marquis", but then that could be redundant to his English style. I'll do some research on the matter in the next few days; I'm not quite sure at the moment. Thanks for your patience. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 16:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: notability tag

I see an article that doesn't really say why she is notable, rather who she is related to. Therefore, why does she deserve an article? This reasoning must be expressed in the prose. --Tom (talk - email) 22:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm afraid Tom's right, the article isn't really notable at present. I'm guilty of having created "genalogical" articles before without any notability too, so I know what's it like.

However, There's a painting of her by van Dyck on the net, so you could add that. The only notable things I can find are that their marriage was a clandestine one and Pope Urban VIII sent Cardinal Mazarin to Louis XIII to persuade the latter to accept the marriage (as well as to restore Lorraine to her brother, Charles IV, Duke of Lorraine, and to prevent Cardinal Richelieu engaging in war with the Habsburgs). [4]. Good luck! Craigy (talk) 15:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, that article's not particularly notable either, but most can usually be improved in some way or other. If you think nothing more can be added, you could take it to WP:AFD. Craigy (talk) 22:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: notability/nobility

Thanks for your message. I understand people's points, but I'd be upset if dozens of articles were taken off, they chart the history of generations of the families who have run England. It's good to see I'm not the only one who thinks they're important Boleyn (talk) 21:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Date linking

Even though date linking is not an issue for me, I think you have a good argument for keeping the discussion open. I admire the fact that you are taking a stand. Thanks for the update. - Epousesquecido (talk) 14:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I saw your comment on Dmadeo's page. I wonder whether you've looked at this page and its ancilliary pages. I'm interested to hear your thoughts about the matters raised there. Tony (talk) 04:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Tony but the page you want me to see [5] doesn't seem complete. There is mention of "two years" worth of evolution of the DA discussion, however, the first time I became aware of it is reflected by the first post of this section when I thought Epousesquecido did it. Now, only a few days later, I see it more and more.

From other discussions I read where many nonregistered users don't see what we see, but this is not the case with unregistered users that I assist everyday. So it is difficult for me to grasp not being plagued with it. I do not "log in" at the library information desk and both the researcher and I are seeing the same thing. Personally I think DA is a benefit for the users I know. I prefer the seeing blue linked dates over seeing them bare. The linked dates seem to be very useful and do not point to unrelated pages or "trivia" but rather expand the depth of research when needed. I hope that the issue can be resolved by improved templates.

My perspective probably falls into the "comfortable old shoe" syndrome, I guess. Thanks again for your communication and your concern. Please feel free to contact me again if you desire. Daytrivia (talk) 01:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Day, I don't understand how as an IP reader at your library, you could possibly see autoformatted preferences, since youd weren't logged in and thus couldn't have chosen a date preference on your personal preference page. I wonder whether this was via some library-wide log-in in which the library itself has chosen a preference. I've never heard of that, but it might explain it. The other issue is that you might not have sampled articles in which international dates are used, and in which there are mixed formats, the bane of our work as date auditers.

"do not point to unrelated pages or "trivia" but rather expand the depth of research when needed": can you provide an example of how either a month-day or a year link expands the depth of an article? Tony (talk) 09:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I will try (time allowing) to double check my assertion about what a library user sees in Wikipedia. Expanding the research not the article. There are huge benefits for doing research exclusively on Wikipedia, especially with the wonderful "clickable links" for instance: Trying to research 1854 economic development in America. Once they get to the year they can find out in a few more clicks what establishments (located in the "1854 in topic" info box) began that year. The information obtained can expand research quite effectively. Daytrivia (talk) 13:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Peerage Articles

Go to my jump page here "Sources" on CountyHistorian.com and you will find a great number of printed sources on the British Peerage that would be acceptable. Some of these are free on Google Books, such as Burke's Peerage. Be sure to cite to the page number where you find the relevant factoids. Thanks! Wjhonson (talk) 02:38, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Henry Augustus Wise

You added an external link to Henry Augustus Wise which contains no more information about the subject of the article than is already there. When I removed it, with that comment, you simply reverted me without even an explanation. I would appreciate it if you would address the topic; I have created a section on Talk:Henry Augustus Wise for the purpose. Tb (talk) 01:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. When it seems as if your changes have been lost, please always check the edit history to be sure. Tb (talk) 16:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Thomas Brugge, 5th Baron Chandos

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Fantastic work

Daytrivia, you are doing a great job creating so many articles on noblemen and women. Keep up the good work.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:48, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Names

Hi, generally we use only one forename and redirect the full name (there are however exceptions from this, mostly for disambiguation or if the subject of an articles was better known by more forenames). In this case I see no reason for a longer name, so Sarah Trench, Countess of Clancarty would be the correct place.

By the way, be careful with articles about wives of peers! They are not automatically notable and I would consider Sarah Juliana Le Poer Trench, Countess of Clancarty an AFD-candidate with a fair chance to be deleted. It would be not bad to provide the article with a reason for her notability. Best wishes

~~ Phoe _talk ~~ 14:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

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Wives of peers

I don't think User:Erik9 had any grounds for removing the tag from Sarah Le Poer Trench, Countess of Clancarty. His and User:JeanneBoleyn's personal preferences when it comes to notability is after all irrelevant, there are guidelines for this. As Phoe said, you have created the articles in good faith. However, in my mind there are great problems with these articles. Firstly, they are superfluous. All the material in, for example, Henrietta Margaret Le Poer Trench, Countess of Clancarty, is already covered in the article on her husband (with the exception of her probable birth year). A redirect would work fine here. Secondly, the articles are likely to annoy readers. When you see a blue link on Wikipedia, you expect to find an article on a noteworthy subject. With articles like the ones on the two Countesses of Clancarty, all you end up with is her birth dates, who she married, how many children she had and when she died. This is acceptable in a genealogical work but not sufficient to merit its own article on Wikipedia.

I hope you will consider merging some of the articles you have created on wives of peers into the articles on their husbands. I am not going to propose a mass cull of the articles but I would consider adding {{mergeto}} tags. Tryde (talk) 12:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Canvassing

Perhaps you should have a look at Wikipedia:Canvassing. Tryde (talk) 19:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Referencing for Logan's Raid

Interesting point; I'd not seen that before. Thanks for noting it.

Because each source is only used once, I've converted the article to inline referencing: as you can see at Citing Sources, this method is used when each source is used multiple times with different pages. It should be simpler, now that there aren't multiple sections for referencing. If you're going to add more references to each source, it's possible to use this format without having to create multiple complete citations: you can add {{rp}} after a reference to cause the page number to appear immediately after the reference number. If you'd like to see how this works, look at references 2 and 3 at St. Henry's Catholic Church (St. Henry, Ohio). Nyttend (talk) 21:58, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Katherine Hervey, Marchioness of Bristol...

...is where I've put her. I have simple advice on peeresses for you:

1. If she's more notable for pre-marriage stuff, give her her maiden name eg Lady Katherine Manners
2. If she's more notable post-marriage, give her her married name eg Katherine Hervey, Marchioness of Bristol
3. If it's about equal, go for the most common usage or most recent
4. If she's not actually notable, she shouldn't have an article

Hope I've been helpful DBD 00:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and there is no need for middle names. Use only her given name (not necessarily her first) and surname(s). (By which I mean surname(s) like "Lady Alice Montagu Douglas Scott" and "Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon" not "Lady Katherine Manners Hervey") DBD 00:49, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Newent

I was not certain about the correct that I made to the Wilmott article, but Derwent is certainly wrong. This is why I left a query in my edit note. To the best of my knowledge there is no river Derwent in Gloucestershire. Newent is on the Ell Brook a tributary of the river Leadon. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

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not at all, hope you'll stick around and write more, in spite of the bitey culture. there's a nice editathon coming up Wikipedia:Meetup/Women in Astronomy and Space Sciences Edit-a-thon - SpaceFest; remote editors welcome. these happen periodically. check out [6]; [7], lot's of support. cheers. Slowking4^{Farmbrough's revenge}⇔ †@1₭ 23:58, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

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