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Controversial command decisions, World War II

Thanks for your reply to the talk page at Controversial command decisions, World War II. The article is a good idea but I have to say it appears to be only half of what is needed. What it consists of now are the arguments why a decision appeared to be controversial, but there is no substantial rebuttal to the arguments. For example, in the part about Churchill and Stalin's discussion concerning a landing in the west, it mentions Churchill's odd contention that the Germans had "nine divisions" in the west. Churchill may have believed that but it is completely untrue. In 1942, there were 35 divisions in the west and this had increased to 40 by 1943 (Harrison, p. 142.) Any discussion of this possibility would have to identify the numbers of divisions and aircraft on both sides at a given date to realistically assess what the chances of military success might have been. Given the often below-average performance of Allied formations before 1943, a landing in 1942 could well have led to a decisive Allied defeat in France and perhaps even a permanent closure of the western front dictated by an armistice with the Germans. 1943 was also problematic because the Allies were still building troop strength, and even when the invasion took place in 1944, by the time the Allies got to the German border it had become clear that there were not enough infantry divisions as well as serious manpower concerns that compounded the problem. The Germans became rather famous for statements like "if the other side had only pushed hard at this moment ...", but history documents that no matter how hard the Allies (or Soviets) pushed, the Germans were always capable of providing spirited resistance. The morale and cohesion of the German forces did not notably diminish in the west until the Rhine River was crossed in March 1945 and in the east, it remained hard-bitten to the end.
I hope you intend at some point to expand the sections of the articles to bring out all of the pertinent information, because as it is now, the article is lopsided. Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 07:31, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Another example - Western allies were fielding 91 full-strength divisions against 60 weak German divisions whose overall strength was roughly equal to only 26 complete divisions. -- This strength quote is picked from a point in the campaign in which the invasion force has been brought up to full strength in 1945 -- at which point a massive offensive was launched and which did not really stop until Germany was defeated. The article really needs to bring out the rest of the story in these sections, because as it is, the information brought out in it appears to selected in such a way that it supports the notion that there was a controversy of some sort, but does not provide any information that would indicate there were valid reasons for something not to happen, such as the inability of the Allies to push into Germany in late 1944 (they tried that with numerous offensives but all ground down primarily because of logistical and manpower issues.) Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 07:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Your comments are noted. I think you really understand little about the western front, "dominant narratives" not withstanding. I just wanted to let you know that the two articles are strongly POV. W. B. Wilson (talk) 16:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Request for comment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment#Controversial_command_decisions.2C_World_War_II may be of interest to you. It is considered, by some at least, good manners to notify involved parties of a RfC, I can only assume that Loosmark simply forgot to notify you. Varsovian (talk) 11:49, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Controversial command decisions, World War II

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Re WWII controversial command article

Hi C - you might want to copy the article tout suite into a user subpage - i.e. create User:Communicat/sandbox - since the discussion seems to be moving towards restoring the older version of the article and deleting that one. You could work on it there undisturbed for quite a while and solicit other editors' opinions about its scope and whether it deserves to be a stand-alone article. I've already committed to improving the Lithuania article; that will take some time; so regrettably cannot commit to improving this one anytime soon, altho I do feel it deserves attention. Good luck and pls post anytime - Novickas (talk) 23:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

April 2010

Please do not add non-neutral material such as links to essays at www.truth-hertz.net to Wikipedia articles, as you did to World War II and Strategic bombing during World War II. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 20:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Communist-led resistance

How would you justify the statement that all resistance movements in Europe and Asia during World War II were communist led? Buckshot06 (talk) 08:15, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi, No you got me wrong. I did not say "all" resistance / partisan movements were communist-led. I simply referred to "communist-led resistance movements", so there's no need for me to justify my words. There were of course populist (i.e. non-communist)resistance groups as with Force 136 in Malaya, and a populist group in Greece, and nationalist resistance elsewhere e.g. China, before the split with Mao. Non-communist groups, however, were ineffectual and NOT a fighting force worth considering by comparison with the communist-led groups (which to some extent also had some populist members, and in Italy they also had devout Catholics as members). British SOE cut off arms supplies to the communist-led groups in favour of supplying the populist groups towards the end of the war, with a view to diminishing post-war communist influence in Europe and Far East. The sources that I provided in the disputed article that was reverted are relevant. But there are many other reliable sources on this topic, which I can provide if necessary. Thanks for your interest. Regards. Communicat (talk) 12:52, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I would make sure that you keep in mind that in France (especially Paris), non-communist groups actually were more effective and a fighting force worth considering. --Habap (talk) 16:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

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What exactly do you mean by "revisionist" in Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/World War II (overview article)? Would this be the same as Historiography of the Cold War# Revisionism or are you maybe referring to Historical revisionism (negationism)? -- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Operation August Storm and reliable sources

When I grew up on Manhattan in the late 1960s and early 1970s every classroom, at least in the better schools where I went, was equipped with the book Red Primer for Children and Diplomats. What a wonderful reading and learning experience! I really learned to appreciate the value of the printed word! (It also helped me understand why “we” had to kill all these gooks in Vietnam.) It would still make a excellent source for much of Wikipedia content – although it may be best to use it only indirectly through reliable secondary sources that either quote it directly or at least use it as a source of inspiration. Anyway, here is an on-line reference, in case you ever need to use it in your Wikipedia work.

• Vashi, Victor. Red Primer for Children and Diplomats (1st ed.). Viewpoint Books. ASIN: B0007EEE3I.

The highlight of the book was its description of Operation August Storm and its causality with the Atomic bombing of Japan. It took me however several years to truly appreciate the insight, as I started to come across loads and loads of commie propaganda.

When I downloaded the book Between The Lies by author Stan Winer, I immediately went to the last chapter on these August 1945 events, titled Atomic Blackmail. This must be the worst concoction of commie lies and propaganda I have seen for years! Interesting though is that I recognized I had just read most of the crap in some other context, possibly even as a reference in some Wikipedia article. The author, Stan Winer seems to have used about the same text in several books. What a sneaky weaner! Is he some kind of master propagandist for the bad guys? -- Petri Krohn (talk) 18:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

No personal attacks warning

I understand you're frustrated with the issues on the World War II article, but this edit in particular the comment "when descended upon by the equivalent of a pack of editorial wild dogs", violated Wikipedia community civility standards ( see WP:CIVIL) and our policy against personal attacks.

Please read those policies and don't do that again. I warned everyone on the talk page there to stop being rude to each other. I understand that there was general rudeness previously on all sides. However, just because you see them as all out to get you does not justify continuing to be rude to them. If you keep that up, you will earn a block for personal attacks. Please don't go there. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 05:59, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

Blocked

I have imposed a 24 hr block on your editing Wikipedia other than your user and user talk pages. You repeated on your user page the same "pack of wild dogs" comment I warned you not to make above, after I left the warning.

Again - personal attacks and insults against other Wikipedia editors are not OK. Please edit in a more collegial manner going forwards.

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 19:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

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Communicat, I seriously suggest that you start working on Aftermath of World War II, instead of complaining at Talk:World War II. If You do that, you will have my full support. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 21:21, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Conflict of interest noticeboard

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Edwards321 seems to have identified that you are admitting that you're Stanley Winer on that image. Is that correct?

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 05:11, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

No I am not admitting that I am Stanley Winer. I shall reply shortly at greater length, when time permits. Communicat (talk) 18:41, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

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Image deletion

Communicat, I've deleted the image you uploaded of John Vorster. You stated on the noticeboard that you only had permission to use it in a non-commercial capacity. This is, in fact, incompatible with Wikipedia's licensing requirements. Except in the case of fair use, all images must be published under an unrestricted license, such that Wikipedia may be copied in its entirety by anyone for any purpose (including commercial ones). Someguy1221 (talk) 08:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

If you have a valid license for the photo, please upload it to Commons and pass what ever permission you have by WP:OTRS. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 11:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

• The picture (I'm guessing it's the same one) is now re-uploaded as Image:Disgraced.jpg. There is a plausible fair use rationale for including it in John Vorster. Right now it's in History of South Africa which is a little more shaky. The filename is POV and should be renamed to John_Vorster.jpg or something like that, especially if the picture was taken on some occasion other than his post-scandal resignation in 1979.[1] The copyright is attributed to Stan Winer, whose contact page[2] describes him as a journalist and historical researcher but doesn't say anything about him being a photographer, and this looks like a press photo to me. Did Winer actually take the picture or acquire control of the copyright somehow? If not, the attribution should be corrected, and it also makes Winer's permission to use the picture noncommercially a little dubious. 67.119.14.196 (talk) 00:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Blocked again for personal attacks

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Madman theory

I was bouncing around and found Madman theory, which I'd never heard of before, but I thought you might find interesting. --Habap (talk) 21:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Personal Attacks

The edit summary in this edit is not acceptable, especially using an intentional mispelling of their name to insult them. That's pretty low. Please don't do that again. Considering 'D' and 'N' aren't anywhere close to each other on a keyboard, even AGF doesn't stretch that far. Ravensfire (talk) 22:32, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah... I believe I've warned you about this before, plus the previous blocks in September.

It's clear that you are having a serious problem getting along with other Wikipedia contributors. This is evident from the content discussions, and your breaking out into personal attacks like the one Ravensfire just pointed out above is just making the situation significantly worse.

You edited twice after Ravensfire made the above comment, neither of which was an apology or retraction of that edit comment. It appears that you still aren't taking this stuff seriously.

I am imposing a 1-week block for ongoing personal attack issues, following from the prior 24 and 48 hr blocks in September.

While this is active, I want to raise two points:

1. Our No Personal Attacks policy is serious
2. I need you to consider what it is about your interactions with other Wikipedians that is causing such significant negative reaction and response. It's happened with myriad other people, and many other articles now. Have you considered that you may be engaging in a fundamentally inappropriate mode of discussion and debate for the collaborative environment here? Bulldozing people's objections and sentiments is not good community or collaborative behavior, and there have been numerous complaints about you doing that on multiple articles.

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:54, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Reblocked

For evading your block, I have reset and reblocked your account. Elockid ^(Talk) 02:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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World War II opened

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World War II case: conduct standards

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Thank you, AGK [•] 18:57, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II

This Arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been passed:

• You are prohibited from editing or commenting on articles about World War II or the Aftermath of World War II. This prohibition is of indefinite duration, but may be appealed to the Committee by you after six months;
• You are placed under a behavioral editing restriction for a period of one year, as specified at the case page.

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Arbitration enforcement

I have reported you for not complying with the above sanctions at: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Communicat Nick-D (talk) 23:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

June 2011

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Reported for violating the editing restrictions placed on you, July 2011

Regretfully, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Communicat --HiltonLange (talk) 09:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)