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Hello, Axolotl Nr.733! I'd like to call your attention to the WikiProject Germany and the German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. I hope their links, sub-projects and discussions are interesting and even helpful to you. If not, I hope that new ones will be. Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany | finger on pulse Wikipedia:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board | finger on pulse

--Zeitgespenst (talk) 20:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Korea women's national basketball team

Is a legit article and it can't be subjected to a speedy even if it doesn't have any "meaningful content." --Howard the Duck 14:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Now it is. I've expanded articles about women's national basketball teams (Spain, Russia) and other international basketball-related articles myself in a similar manner, but I'm getting tired of users thinking a rephrasing of the article's title would constitute an article. Many of those non-articles are created by persons whose mastering of the English language is rudimentary at best or who don't have the slightest clue of the topic they are writing about. I mean, the lack of experts isn't their fault, yet those non-articles can't be the answer. My English isn't great at all, and my knowledge of international basketball is patchy to say the least, but I still can distinguish a complete sentence from an incomplete one and useful information from non-useful. I just don't have the time to expand all those articles, though, so I see no alternative to having it deleted. This at least creates red links which are more likely replaced by an article than one of those substubs is, because they are more striking. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 16:10, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Your argument is compelling for articles whose subject are suspect from the get-go but national team articles even without "meaningful content" should stay. --Howard the Duck 17:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

The only thing a non-article lacking any "meaningful content" does is stopping others from creating the article because they just see the blue links and aren't aware of the fact that there is no article beyond this link. Because national teams competing at the Olympics are very notable, this should be avoided by any means. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 17:20, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

IMO, it's still better than a red-linked one. And it'll help other people (esp. anons) to add info since anons can't create articles on their own. Anyway I still think it was a bad idea to speedy delete that article. You could've plastered it with tons of cleanup tags anyway. --Howard the Duck 17:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, at least it worked quite well. It hasn't been an article for months, and now it is... --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 17:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Creating a Redirect

If the page is new, you must be logged in (i.e. create an account) to open the page. Something that I didn't want to do. - 4.240.117.96 (talk) 22:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Hm, that's new to me. In the German wikipedia, you can still create new pages without being logged in. My IP range has been blocked on the English one for quite a time, so I cannot edit any article here anyway when I'm logged out. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 10:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

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B.o.B.

Hi Axolotl. I saw that you requested the speedy deletion of B.o.B. (entertainer) in order for a proper page move. Do you want me to delete the redirect at B.o.B. as well? If the page is moved, it may as well go there. Best wishes, Rje (talk) 15:27, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, I actually don't know if "B.o.B." really is a more proper name for the article than the current one, yet I don't see a reason for moving it to "B.o.B. (entertainer)" either (in fact, the created page's name was missing a full stop) and would prefer to move it to "B.o.B.". Best regards, --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 15:35, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

2010 FIBA World Championship squads

Hey Axolotl - I don't know that much about European basketball, and couldn't find much information (in a language that I could read) on the teams that you removed the blue links from. I created some team pages for notable teams, but on the ones you deleted, I linked those to the leagues and/or the country's basketball federation on the assumption that none of those teams (particularly the Argentine and French amateur teams, plus Abidjan BC) would never have a Wikipedia article about them because they aren't particularly notable. Do you have any information on these teams that would help with this? Thanks! Bds69 (talk) 16:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey! Well, from the German Wikpedia, I'm used to every team from semi-professional and top-level leagues being notable. I'd be surprised if any of those teams weren't considered notable here (though I couldn't find any specific guideline). On the other hand, I've never been a fan of "let's scrape together every information about that subject available via internet, fix it with a lot of tape, and hope people will mistake this Frankensteinian amalgam for an Encyclopaedic article", but rather of, you know, real Encyclopaedic articles written by authors who know what they're writing about. In this case, that might take some time, but red links are, imo, one of the most important ways of inviting new authors (and yes, there're still some around) - or rather, they would be if IPs were allowed to create articles. That said, I will try my best to find some infos (my French isn't great, though), yet still, in the long term I'd prefer a red link plus the league's name in brackets. Best regards, --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 17:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Dusan Majstorovic

He play for National basketball team i dont see problem, there many of non national basketball players, this age 16 or 17 and they have profiles on wiki. Do you see how many articles have on google about him http://www.eurohopes.com/news/1293/fmp-is-coming-again/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salah44 (talk • contribs) 15:02, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello, there are certain guidelines concerning notability. Usually, a basketball player is considered notable if he has played in a professional league or for the national team on senior level. Neither is the case here. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 16:41, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roy Apancho 2

Noted, though the consensus seemed pretty clear, with the only keep vote appearing to have been debunked by further comments. As long as it's after the original seven days it can be closed when consensus seems clear, whether there's no relist, one, or three. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 23:32, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

The problem is that we have specific guidelines that, as the term suggests, are supposed to specify the general guidelines, but seem to be contradictory to them in some aspects. For example, there are few sources available for many of the competitors at the first modern-day Olympics, but nobody would suggest deleting such articles. So, in a borderline case as this one, it's basically a matter of interpretation, and I find it frustrating that an article which has been kept after a first AfD discussion (not by reaching no consensus, but by agreeing on keeping the article), might be deleted some other time without further explanation. There's just no consistency, neither concerning the guidelines nor concerning this specific decision. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 17:55, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Khaua-Mbandjeru Rebellion--your opinion?

Hi Axolotl Nr.733, as you have recently commented on Khaua-Mbandjeru Rebellion I would like to ask you to check the article's talk page and give input. Thanks, Pgallert (talk) 10:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification, but I don't think I have anything to add. I'll keep an eye on the discussion, though. Regards, --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 16:55, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

My apparent inability to spell Seigfreid Siegfreid Siegfried...

Thanks for correcting the typos at the (now correctly located) Siegfried Passarge article. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 12:04, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Vandal reported at village pump

Hi Axolotl. Thanks for reporting the vandal at the village pump. I've left a note at the Admins' noticeboard. see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive234#Long-term subtle vandalism by IP hopper I've also asked for an edit filter to stop the addition of those names to articles. A quick search showed there are still some articles with problems, so I'll start working on those. Best regards. 64.40.54.97 (talk) 11:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for following up on my notification. Finding those rather obscure fake names via the full-text search was pretty easy, but it may have been just the tip of the iceberg. That and the rather low urgency is why I had posted at the village pump. Regards, --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 14:44, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

"it may have been just the tip of the iceberg" I think you are right. I've been looking through the range contribs for 192.193.0.0/16 and I've seen a bunch of fake is the brother of so-and-so and fake is the niece of so-and-so stuff being added to articles, which reminds me of a vandal from a year or two ago that added similar false relaitve of so-and-so information to articles. Most of those fake additions have been caught by Zagalejo (talk · contribs), so you might want to ask them if they know anything about the vandal. I'm going to keep looking through the contribs to see what else I can find. Best regards. 64.40.54.97 (talk) 15:13, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, there also is a lot of contributions of alleged "notable residents", "notable alumni", and other (unreferenced) additions to lists of people. I actually don't care who the vandal is, but it seems he doesn't bother that much about being identifiable... Regards, --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 13:34, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Another thing I've noticed is that they sometimes remove 2 or 3 sentences from sprots articles. I haven't checked that closely because the other problems seem to be more severe, but I am somewhat concerned that they may be removing valid content. 64.40.57.126 (talk) 18:47, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Nestor Papoutsis

I dont understand Your point at my discussion page. I am not willing to waste anyones time, so the provided sources were all i found submitted in true belief plus submitting one pic. I dont see any other possibility to prove all other Aris B.C. players, which was my aim for upcoming contribitions from me, which played all before 1996 and before. There are still many players from ARIS missing on WP. How to go on?--Aris1987 (talk) 14:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, and of all those missing, you start with the one whose article has been deleted several times in the German and English wikipedia. Just don't try to fool me, alright? --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 13:34, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

What do You mean by foooling? This player definitely played for Aris (see the pic), whats Your point? I dont believe, that this 17years old guy from India, who declined the submission, ever heard of Greek A1 Ethnike Basketball League or even Aris BC. So how he can decide about that, while half Saloniki knows this player. If I understand right, You consider me for frauding, thats not true, this was my first attempt providing detailled data about Aris players, but when already my first contribution is disputed, there is no reason for further work on Wikipedia. I dont know what was in past or even on other language wikis. You should do better research before fronting people with fraud, this is prejudiction. But the uploaded pic of the player says more then thousands words, so what do You say to this? --Aris1987 (talk) 17:58, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

It's the same story again and again - just include a proper reference for him having played in an official match for Aris, and that's it. I'm not interested in any explanations, thanks. Regards, --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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Julia Pieper

Let's not start another edit war on Deaths in 2014, god knows everyone is sick and tired of those lol. Saying a news outlet is "sensationalist media" is massively POV but I'll leave the page as-is (without the entry for Ms Pieper). But I'll note that I don't think it should be excluded; especially as it's reported by an established news outlet. A quick skim through the same page shows that very local news outlets and far far smaller publications are accepted as credible sources. Why not Die Welt? --Connelly90 13:19, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi there, it's not like I wouldn't accept Die Welt as a source at all, but in this case, it's rather the circumstances of Ms Piepers death than her having been a notable sportswoman that made this a newsworthy story. Biathlon, especially the women's races, is hugely popular in Germany. Therefore, the German biathletes' failure at the Olympics was a hot topic in the German media. In their article, Die Welt (and other media outlets) cited Ms Piepers death as yet another moral setback for the German Ski Association by explicitly noting that she had been a former team partner of some of the Olympic competitors, that it happened during the Olympics, and that she had used one of her sports rifles to commit suicide. It's this drawing of vague connections that I referred to as "sensationalist". Ms Pieper herself, apparently, had never competed at the senior level, and had only achieved mediocre results at youth events. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 20:04, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Rollback

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Hi there, and thanks. Really don't know why I didn't come up with that earlier. Regards, --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 11:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Michalis Lountzis

Hey, I appreciate that you seem to be on a mission to clean up basketball player articles that don't meet notability standards (and I have agreed with many of these articles), but it makes zero sense to suggest an article doesn't meet notability standards (not even AfDing it) when it's clear they signed with a team that meets NBASKETBALL - at 16 no less. If you have serious concerns, then just AfD it and let it go through the process. Though frankly it would make less sense to delete an article just to resurrect it in October when the person plays in a Euroleague game. Rikster2 (talk) 16:32, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

You think they will use this kid in Euroleague play that soon? I'm not so sure. Anyways, it's pretty clear that he wouldn't meet our notability criteria yet, which is why I had tagged the article. But as long as someone keeps an eye on the article, I'm fine. Regards, Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 18:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

GNG is the standard that needs to be met, NBASKETBALL just helps people understand the types of people who generally meet the GNG standard. Do I think a 16 year old kid will play for them in Euroleague play? Actually, it wouldn't shock me and it wouldn't be the first time. Do I think a 16 year old who signed with a Euroleague team that is arguably the highest profile team in Greece probably meets GNG? Yes. I got about 6000 hits on his name in Greek on Greek Google and about half as many again with the name in English. The problem is that all the sources are in Greek. I'll use Translate to try and find a few good ones, but obviously that takes more time than for an American or Australian player where all the sources are in English. If you really want to, you can AfD it and force the issue. I'm just telling you that based on my experience, this guy would easily meet GNG. Rikster2 (talk) 18:55, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

He's the only basketball player born 1998 who has an article (plus a wheelchair basketball player). No already-hyped high school players even among the 1997 births either, just some more Euro (mainly Greek) kids who've already seen some minutes in pro ball. That's fine, that's in concordance with our guidelines. But do we need to extend our scope even further, on players who have only signed with a big name club ('cause that's pretty much everything I can find via google)? Is it really too much of a burden for this article to contain some little notification that the subject's notability isn't actually established yet and rather speculative? If you're sure that there's enough information available from Greek sources, I would suggest you provide it first. Regards, Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 20:33, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

You put a tag on that said "this article may not meet WP guidelines" I removed it because I feel confident that it would (GNG). If you want to take that to the next level and AfD it, you should do so. If not, I was fine to remove the tag per the documentation at Template:Notability. I will look for Greek language sources this weekend, but the documentation at the template does not require adding additional sources at the time of removing the tag. Rikster2 (talk) 21:25, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm finally getting a bit upset. What do you want from me? I got the facts straight, stated my opinions and am looking for compromise, all you're doing is speculating and claiming. You even went from "probably meets GNG" to "would easily meet GNG" within the same comment. Nevertheless, I do not intend to AfD this, so just stop it, alright? Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 08:46, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Stop what? You keep responding, so I do as well. Maybe you should consider that I also have done nothing wrong in removing the template and that we just disagree? Rikster2 (talk) 14:13, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

So you want me to accept that "we just disagree" while you yourself refuse to compromise (no AfD, but keeping the template in the article)? In fact, that's even what I did, stating that I was fine the way it is, yet you keep arguing and arguing for no reason. Why? I still don't get it, and I don't want to know. The links you provided are not the kind of detailed coverage required by the GNG - if we set the standards this low, WP would be flooded by articles on high school players. There also is a recent example of a similar case that resulted in deletion. Btw, Lountzis did not actually participate in the Adidas Eurocamp and the Jordan Brand Classic (which are targeted at more advanced players) as stated in the article, but in related practice sessions for younger players. That's like calling a participant at the rookies challenge an all star just because it takes place in the same event. So, deletion would be justifiable, but not reasonable because he probably gets notable via NBASKETBALL soon. Until then, I do question the subject's notability for good reason, which should have been reason enough for you not to re-remove that template in the first place. Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 19:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

List of sportspeople who died during their careers

Good evening and sorry i'll write in french (because i'm french)

J'ai lancé cette AFD en mettant en résumé de modification : "first afd (for me and this article, so if you can help me please)" ceci explique les éventuels problèmes de notifications des contributeurs. Ensuite je ne suis pas un petit nouveau sur Wikipédia (j'ai un peu plus d'un an d'ancienneté), je sais que même si à mes yeux cette liste a besoin de distinguer les sportifs mort comme Marc-Vivien Foé ou Dale Earnhardt mais pas des sportifs morts lors d'un accident aussi tragique soit-il.

Enfin j'ai une PAGE DE DISCUSSION si vous avez des réclamations ou des conseils à me donner donnez les SUR MA PAGE DE DISCUSSION.

Good night.--Sismarinho (talk) 20:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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You know what? You're actually pretty funny. Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 17:00, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you. Do answer the message posted on the article's talk page with facts to back-up your claim that the article is lacking in neutrality. The idea is to try to address your concerns and not to enter into a sterile argument. 91.182.119.107 (talk) 20:41, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I just think that addressing an 8-years WP veteran that way is pretty, well, inappropriate. It's also a bit strange to refer me to the talk page, when the purpose of the template I had set is guiding people to the discussion I had just started there. That's just it. Alright? Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 23:14, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

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The guy should probably be banned since he has added the same statement 10 times over the last two years. Given that this is almost all of his Wikipedia activity, you could make the case it is a vandalism-only account. Of course, banning him would just mean he'd add the same crap as an IP. Rikster2 (talk) 16:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I just wanted to go the formal way, but I don't think it will actually help the case either. Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 13:33, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

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Jacob Larsen (basketball)

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I notice you undid this edit of mine here; the reason for it was that Rasmus Larsen redirects to this section now, so simply linking it creates a loop. Under the circumstances, bolding the name seemed a better idea. Another possibility would be to somehow link to his page on the Danish WP. Though I'm not sure the best way to do that now: use his full name for the redlink here, maybe? Xyl 54 (talk) 13:34, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, sorry, I hadn't checked the history of the article Jacob Larsen (basketball) and had just considered it an obvious error. Personally, I see little use in this redirect, especially considering that a) Rasmus Larsen actually was the more notable player and b) there's just one short sentence about him in his brother's article. In the German WP which I'm more used to, this would be a speedy deletion case, but I know policies here are different. Of course, the best solution would be to create a small article based on the sources used in the other languages' articles. Regards, --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 18:10, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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*sigh* You could at least have kept the correction concerning his stint at Kaiserslautern. But alright, if you don't wish your articles to be corrected, I will stay away from them. Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 10:38, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

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I thought BC stood for basketball club

I thought the "BC" was simply an abbreviation for "basketball club".Bluesangrel (talk) 19:06, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

It is. But the issue here is that it's the only noun in the name, so it's mandatory because a name usually includes a noun. "Mitteldeutscher" just means "Central German", that's not a proper name. You would ask: "Central German... what?" --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 19:30, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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